Now requiring payment upfront when making offers???

[ethanweisinger]

Since when? Is this recent? I never had to do this before, like a month or two back.  And thanks GOD I didn't fall for this new eBay scam. What POS is eBay now days man 😞 What else is eBay going to do to run customers away????

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Buying/Requiring-payment-upfront-when-making-offers/td-p/32690693/page...

[campanaelia]

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@powell-memorabilia wrote:

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 I saw a lot of pre-funding requirements early in this program.  I tried it a couple of times - hated it.  Lately, I haven’t seen these requirements - I think that those early sellers in the program had enough complaints from legit buyers that they took off this option.

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The smart ones at least

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@campanaelia wrote:

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@chapeau-noir wrote:What's a scam is when the buyer offers, or contracts for an item through an auction, and doesn't pay.

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What's a scam is when a buyer contracts for an item through an auction and the seller doesn't ship because the bid was too low.

What's a scam is sellers cancelling orders using fake reasons to avoid defects and getting their fees refunded.

What's a scam is ebay removing negs and neutral for sellers and ebay refuses to give buyers a seller block list.

What's a scam is sellers using fake tracking showing delivered and ebay makes it very difficult for the buyer to get refunded.

What's a scam is sellers not disclosing damages and defects to items.

And let's not forget, What's a scam is ebay accusing buyers of violating the abusive policy for valid claims because of so many deadbeat sellers.

So what's ebay doing for buyers about that?

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None of those are "scams" policies you don't like yes scams no. 

A scam is when a buyer makes an offer and tries to send a fake payment emails which happens all to often with offers especially in higher risk categories.   This change really is necessary for sellers in those categories.  A seller who doesn't need it can select not to use it.  

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@ethanweisinger wrote:

Most of you here are sellers and have no clue how the real world works honestly.  Basically is like we're asked to hand you our money before the negations start which both are wrong to begin with.  1. we can't hand you any money in any circumstances, full, stop, period and 2. we can't just hand you our money until the goods are purchased or agreed to be purchased. This is such a simple concept that most of you can't just grasp. 

Make an offer is nothing else than an online negotiation.  Now imagine in the real world you're negotiating to buy a car which I just did last week, about 75K value, so we were back in forward for 3 or 4 days until we agreed on a price and the options. Only at that I point I had a discussion with finance guy and handed my check to then. So why would eBay be any different?

Again, nothing more than a money grabbing scheme and inconvenience the buyers even more.  What you don't see is that ultimately you as sellers are loosing business and eBay is loosing revenue. I wouldn't call that a win win situation 🙂

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Other online companies who have offers do this exact same thing.  I shop on Mercari and posh both require pre-authorization of payment on offers.  Speaking as a buyer this is the norm. 

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

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@campanaelia wrote:

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@chapeau-noir wrote:What's a scam is when the buyer offers, or contracts for an item through an auction, and doesn't pay.

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What's a scam is when a buyer contracts for an item through an auction and the seller doesn't ship because the bid was too low.

What's a scam is sellers cancelling orders using fake reasons to avoid defects and getting their fees refunded.

What's a scam is ebay removing negs and neutral for sellers and ebay refuses to give buyers a seller block list.

What's a scam is sellers using fake tracking showing delivered and ebay makes it very difficult for the buyer to get refunded.

What's a scam is sellers not disclosing damages and defects to items.

And let's not forget, What's a scam is ebay accusing buyers of violating the abusive policy for valid claims because of so many deadbeat sellers.

So what's ebay doing for buyers about that?

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None of those are "scams" policies you don't like yes scams no. 

A scam is when a buyer makes an offer and tries to send a fake payment emails which happens all to often with offers especially in higher risk categories.   This change really is necessary for sellers in those categories.  A seller who doesn't need it can select not to use it.  

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I'll change this to one of the things you mentioned being a scam and that's the fake tracking. 

But with that scam sellers have found a loophole where with a fight and evidence a buyer can get a refund.   buyers have many that sellers have almost no chance of avoiding or being reimbursed for 

[myangelandmyprincess]

I also don't sell on these other sites so I don't know if the sellers on these other platforms can make it where it's not required like an eBay seller can. 

[campanaelia]

@chapeau-noir, who I was replying to simply said "a scam is when the buyer offers, or contracts for an item through an auction, and doesn't pay."

So that is not a scam either then.

But sellers can lie and cancel orders with false reasons, not ship items, hide damage in descriptions, get neg feedbacks removed, and buyers have to wait 3 weeks on average for refunds back to their cards with the MBG. Meanwhile sellers are complaining about waiting 4 days for payment or simply relist.

And buyers can't even get a sellers block list to block the deadbeat sellers, what a joke.

[monster-deals]

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@ethanweisinger wrote:

What else is eBay going to do to run customers away????

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I would overwhelmed with joy for ebay if ran off non paying customers

[yuzuha]

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@campanaelia wrote:

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Buyers not agreeing with this has nothing to do with them not planning to pay if the offer is accepted. Why can't sellers wait the minimum 4 days for payment or simply relist in the case of an occasional non-payer? It's not fair to penalize all buyers because of the minority. Sellers already have in their buyer requirements the 2 strike rule to protect themselves from non-payers.

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Exactly. I have that block on and I haven't had a non-payer in years now. It does its job quite well.

[2013grotz]

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@yuzuha wrote:

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Sellers already have in their buyer requirements the 2 strike rule to protect themselves from non-payers.

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Exactly. I have that block on and I haven't had a non-payer in years now. It does its job quite well.

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I've had that block on myself for years too.  Guess what?  Like I said, deadbeat buyer rate on offers: 25%.  It is NOT a protection for sellers from non-payers.

[mrs.goodbuy]

I would say that the issue for me isn't having a default payment method on file.

It's that eBay places that $1 hold on my funds for EVERY Offer I make after the payment method - which doesn't change - is already approved! Place the hold the first time? Certainly; every business does that for a new payment method. For EVERY Offer after that? Sorry, that's unacceptable.

I was making a LOT of Offers. (And never skipped payment, btw) If I make 20 Offers, they hold $20 on my finds! That's $20 that I can't spend on eBay for days at a time. And that's also on Offers that were auto-declined!

Seller protection? Yes, I'm all for it.

But they need to stop placing the holds after a payment method has been approved.

Until they do, I am done making Offers and will take that money elsewhere.

[yuzuha]

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@2013grotz wrote:

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I've had that block on myself for years too.  Guess what?  Like I said, deadbeat buyer rate on offers: 25%.  It is NOT a protection for sellers from non-payers.

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If you're having that much of an issue with offers, then why even allow them in the first place? I know I wouldn't be doing Best Offer if that many people were backing out.

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@yuzuha wrote:

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@campanaelia wrote:

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Buyers not agreeing with this has nothing to do with them not planning to pay if the offer is accepted. Why can't sellers wait the minimum 4 days for payment or simply relist in the case of an occasional non-payer? It's not fair to penalize all buyers because of the minority. Sellers already have in their buyer requirements the 2 strike rule to protect themselves from non-payers.

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Exactly. I have that block on and I haven't had a non-payer in years now. It does its job quite well.

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I've had it on for years as well at the most strict setting and I still have had non paying buyers on offers this year.  Some sellers will always be the first or second seller who doesn't get paid in that time frame set. 

[campanaelia]

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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

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@yuzuha wrote:

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@campanaelia wrote:

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Buyers not agreeing with this has nothing to do with them not planning to pay if the offer is accepted. Why can't sellers wait the minimum 4 days for payment or simply relist in the case of an occasional non-payer? It's not fair to penalize all buyers because of the minority. Sellers already have in their buyer requirements the 2 strike rule to protect themselves from non-payers.

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Exactly. I have that block on and I haven't had a non-payer in years now. It does its job quite well.

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I've had it on for years as well at the most strict setting and I still have had non paying buyers on offers this year.  Some sellers will always be the first or second seller who doesn't get paid in that time frame set. 

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And on the other side of the coin, in the last 30 days I had one item cancelled because the bid was too low. One item never shipped and seller ghosted me. And one laptop I received was the wrong model. The INR and the INAD return took about 3 weeks to be refunded.

The only thing guaranteed in life are death and taxes.

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@campanaelia wrote:

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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

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@yuzuha wrote:

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@campanaelia wrote:

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Buyers not agreeing with this has nothing to do with them not planning to pay if the offer is accepted. Why can't sellers wait the minimum 4 days for payment or simply relist in the case of an occasional non-payer? It's not fair to penalize all buyers because of the minority. Sellers already have in their buyer requirements the 2 strike rule to protect themselves from non-payers.

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Exactly. I have that block on and I haven't had a non-payer in years now. It does its job quite well.

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I've had it on for years as well at the most strict setting and I still have had non paying buyers on offers this year.  Some sellers will always be the first or second seller who doesn't get paid in that time frame set. 

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And on the other side of the coin, in the last 30 days I had one item cancelled because the bid was too low. One item never shipped and seller ghosted me. And one laptop I received was the wrong model. The INR and the INAD return took about 3 weeks to be refunded.

The only thing guaranteed in life are death and taxes.

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I've had all those issues happen as well as a buyer.   As a person who is a seller and a buyer my perspective is that buying has a lot more protection in place.  Now that absolutely is in part thanks to many sellers who would use loopholes to scam and eBay continually having to close those loopholes costing honest sellers that protection. They're trying to offer some of that protection back to top rated sellers. There is no perfect system but buyers have good protection to not get scammed. 

[fairydust_factory]

I have the "immediate payment" toggled on all of my listings that aren't auctions. However, even if it is an auction and I am allowing people to make offers, it will require you to pay for it as soon as it is accepted.