Now requiring payment upfront when making offers???

[ethanweisinger]

Since when? Is this recent? I never had to do this before, like a month or two back.  And thanks GOD I didn't fall for this new eBay scam. What POS is eBay now days man 😞 What else is eBay going to do to run customers away????

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Buying/Requiring-payment-upfront-when-making-offers/td-p/32690693/page...

[myfrugalboutique]

Why is this a scam? It is because of people who make offers and do not pay. Very simple.

[athrian97]

Good luck. You're going to get some replies in here from sellers who complain weekly about sales numbers being down while telling you to deal with it and you shouldn't complain.

[house*of*paws]

Hi @ethanweisinger 

It’s something eBay is testing out In response to the growing number of buyers not paying after their offer is accepted.  [Not paying for auctions is also a problem … and may lead to a similar experiment.]

It appears to be a bone that eBay occasionally throws to sellers.  [I’m an experienced buyer only and know that we are catered to.]  

Not all sellers appear to be thrilled with the idea, however.  It makes combining shipping difficult for example.

So I guess eBay should put you down as ‘Not a fan.’   😐

[chapeau-noir]

eBay is the only site I sell on that leaves the seller hanging because there's no mechanism for the buyer to pay for something at the time their offer was accepted. 

What's a scam is when the buyer offers, or contracts for an item through an auction, and doesn't pay, leaving us hanging.*

*With an item no longer available for sale, off the shelf, while we wait four days for the non-payment process to work.

[ethanweisinger]

There are other elegant and less intrusive ways to hold buyers responsible rather than holding everyones PayPal and Credit Card information.  So for me to sale on eBay I had to link and give eBay full access to my bank account, and I said the HELL  NO.  So I no longer can sale, not that I sale much.  And now to do an offer I have to give eBay AGAIN access to my PayPal and Credit Card.  Again THE HELL NO.

eBay is just after you money and bank info, full, stop, period.   If they need to deal with bad buyers, just put their accounts on hold (no sale / no buy) , add a minus balance, and that will teach them a lesson.  You wanna get back,  pay up or else.   Why punish everyone for few bad apples?

Well guess what, I won't buy anything via "make an offer" so guess who is losing? eBay and you sellers.   🙂 

[kensgiftshop]

You're going to pay for the item right if the offer is accepted?

What difference does it make if you enter the payment information before or after?

Where's the scam part?

The only ones getting scammed are the sellers when they accept offers, then buyers don't pay.

[ethanweisinger]

I ALLWAYS pay when offer is accepted.  But why would anyone need my payment info upfront before making an offer? What if the sellers denies my offer?  I provided my payment information to a system that I have no control or visibility over.  This does not make any sense at all. 

Not getting paid is not being scammed. Is not like they took your item without pay. You still have the item, don't ya?  It is an inconvenience , of course it is and I am sorry some of you have to go through this.  But this is no different that not getting pay in a regular action.

So why aren't they doing the same thing when you put your bid for an item?  This is a very similar situation, correct? I can bid, win and not pay.  This is not different than making an offer and not paying.

Is just plain STUPID

[campanaelia]

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@chapeau-noir wrote:What's a scam is when the buyer offers, or contracts for an item through an auction, and doesn't pay.

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What's a scam is when a buyer contracts for an item through an auction and the seller doesn't ship because the bid was too low.

What's a scam is sellers cancelling orders using fake reasons to avoid defects and getting their fees refunded.

What's a scam is ebay removing negs and neutral for sellers and ebay refuses to give buyers a seller block list.

What's a scam is sellers using fake tracking showing delivered and ebay makes it very difficult for the buyer to get refunded.

What's a scam is sellers not disclosing damages and defects to items.

And let's not forget, What's a scam is ebay accusing buyers of violating the abusive policy for valid claims because of so many deadbeat sellers.

So what's ebay doing for buyers about that?

[athrian97]

It's been explained in multiple threads why buyers have issues and it's not as simple as you're making it. Which parts exactly are you confused about?

[buyselljack2016]

Not sure that I understand what the issue is. 

The payment processer is not getting any information that would be different than the info that they would get when a payment is made.

[ethanweisinger]

The issue is that I do not want and WILL NOT provide payment information just to make an offer.  Might as well apply the same rule when you start bidding on an item. What if you won the item and won't pay?  Same scenario right? 

That will be one way to alienate all eBay buyers 🙂  Telling ya man, eBay is slowly but surely digging its own hole. Can't wait for this place to go bankrupt. What a drag man, what a drag. 

[buyselljack2016]

Your choice, but I still fail to see the logic on an "offer".

If someone is making an offer and intends to pay when accepted there is no difference.

Sort of like an "in person offer".  Offer with the money in your hand, as opposed to reaching in your pocket to pay when the seller says OK. Going to pay, then "show the money" should not be an issue.

For auction bidding.................................  that may be in the works.

[athrian97]

There is a difference. Many of the sellers I buy from sell individual trading cards. Offers are expected in this collectibles community. I make offers on 5 different cards from the same seller, it should not result in 5 different charges (including full shipping on each) and 5 different orders. I should also not have to manually message back and forth with the seller every time to get this done as a single transaction when it worked before.

Same things on auctions, except the problem is even worse because they don't all end at the same time. If I am bidding on 5 different cards from the same seller, all auctions ending within a few hours of each other, that shouldn't result in 5 different charges and transactions.

In addition for payment, I always use paypal or google pay. I can't set that as a default payment method. You and others keep focusing on one small aspect of the argument others are making about not wanting to store cc info with paypal and missing all the other points and the overall argument.

This doesn't have to be a binary choice between "let bad sellers run rampant" and "make everything super difficult for buyers when it comes to offers and auctions". There are plenty of compromise solutions. Unfortunately there are a lot of sellers in these threads that seem to have a complete disdain for *all* buyers and refuse to see any point of view other than their own.

[mn467462]

It's only a problem if you're someone who doesn't pay after an offer is accepted.