10-07-2024 01:13 AM
I have a huge problem with the concept that a seller is responsible for damage occurred during shipping even when the buyer plainly states there is visible damage to the box. I dont feel its right to then hang it on the buyer but in the case of a USPS claim the person making the claim will be required to bring the physical package and item in for inspection. So unfortunately that falls on the receiver/buyer. Second in line, if the sellers listing states "accepts no returns", should make it fall on ebay and their money back guarantee. Why does it seem the seller always ends up with the raw deals, who's moral compass are these decisions aligned with?
10-07-2024 12:39 PM
LOL, yes, that struck my funny bone too. Somehow, the personality doesnt match the lovely,artistic, items he sells. Unusual.
10-07-2024 12:40 PM
@nickna3299 wrote:I have a huge problem with the concept that a seller is responsible for damage occurred during shipping even when the buyer plainly states there is visible damage to the box. I dont feel its right to then hang it on the buyer but in the case of a USPS claim the person making the claim will be required to bring the physical package and item in for inspection. So unfortunately that falls on the receiver/buyer. Second in line, if the sellers listing states "accepts no returns", should make it fall on ebay and their money back guarantee. Why does it seem the seller always ends up with the raw deals, who's moral compass are these decisions aligned with?
Having eBay be responsible for a sellers lack of packing expertise is naive and entitled at best.
The bottom line is packing the shipments so there is not a possibility of damage. Shipping is one of the toughest aspects to master in online selling.
I do realize your items are of the fragile variety. You sound serious about carrying on with the same products.
In time, you should be able to figure out how to ship without damage occurring and without wasting money on additional insurance and battling with the carriers over claims. It can be accomplished.
Best of luck moving forward.
10-07-2024 12:40 PM - edited 10-07-2024 12:44 PM
Have you ever tried an auction house that specializes in pottery? Their take would probably be higher, but the risk of shipping could be bypassed. I live right by Ohio and they have many auctions for just that type of thing, so other states might too.
I'm not clear how stating you won't sell without being fully insured will help much, since most claims for damage are denied. I had one approved last year because my buyer worked diligently for me with their post office. She really went out of her way to help me, but many will not and I hate even asking them to begin with.
10-07-2024 12:57 PM
Alright Nice Stamps you're getting my last words on this subject until I get a final decision from ebay on the 10th then I'll update for anyone that may be interested.
I had no intention of doing anything but airing a grievance with my original post, that's the reason I didn't feel the need to go into too many specifics. I officially started this little endeavor Jan this year, made my first sale by the end of that month including my first lesson in the I'm importance of correctly packaging with my second, and what I consider my last, lesson coming in roughly mid-Feb. I broke my first $10,000 in on April 3rd. I'm not trying to brag, just giving you an idea of how many sales that averaged around $200-250 each at that time. So after a little bit of a rocky start I went 8 months without a single incident dealing with shipping and I 100% declare that I have no culpability in this current matter. I am not advocating putting this $260 some loss onto the customer I am simply saying in this particular instance when the buyer has claim in writing there is substantial damage to the actual package and the USPS requires the recipient to bring the package in then that falls on the buyer to do so. And when the PO covers only the $100 basic insurance then the next entity in line of responsibility is ebay and their money back guarantee to cover the remainder. Now that's how I feel about this situation and in order to never have to deal with this again I will now add full coverage insurance for every item sold going forward with that extra cost being baked into my price and passed on to my customers. So the two innocent parties will unfortunately take on the extra financial burdens, the buyer directly and the seller through sales reductions while the post office who did the damage and ebay that beats their chest to their money back guarantee while holding the seller responsible for their flawed guarantee. Now you or anyone else can agree, disagree, or feel indifferent about what I'm finding absolutely insanely unfair to sellers and even encouraged to express their opinions but when they start telling me I'm in the wrong and throwing judgment around with next to no facts to legitimately cast those judgments they need to know I'm not just take it. But enough of all that, would you mind answering a couple questions I have about a couple stamps I have?
10-07-2024 01:05 PM - edited 10-07-2024 01:44 PM
@nickna3299 wrote:I have a huge problem with the concept that a seller is responsible for damage occurred during shipping even when the buyer plainly states there is visible damage to the box. I dont feel its right to then hang it on the buyer but in the case of a USPS claim the person making the claim will be required to bring the physical package and item in for inspection. So unfortunately that falls on the receiver/buyer.
Simply put, holding the seller ultimately responsible is just the lesser of the two evils here. No need to overthink it except for "path of least resistance" for ebay. USPS and ebay don't really care about aligning their processes and protections to each other in regards of insurance or coverage for sake of convenience. The burden is left to the seller unfortunately.
Second in line, if the sellers listing states "accepts no returns", should make it fall on ebay and their money back guarantee.
Doesn't it do this already? The money back guarantee says buyers will get their money back. It will be paid from the seller.
10-07-2024 01:22 PM - edited 10-07-2024 01:23 PM
@nickna3299 wrote:
Listen, I was just venting, I never expected to get a sympathetic ear on here I'm just glad you see one of the many issues with my particular situation that just frustrates the hell out of me about selling through this platform. The sellers always end up getting dumped on at every turn. .
Yes. It is difficult being a seller on ebay.
The only recourse that I see is every single package is 100% insured going forward ,
IMO No. Just wait until you experience getting your USPS insurance claim approved. I've given up on them long ago.
10-07-2024 01:39 PM
@nickna3299 wrote:And as far as my post I was really just venting, I had no idea that I would get these folks coming out of the woodwork with the little bit of information I gave and start casting judgment and telling I'm wrong lol.
Yea, venting here is fine. Just an fyi so you'll know to not think too much into it, most of the energy in this board is many people will try and dig to solve your problem. Some may be more abrupt and aggressive than others. I sometimes slide to either side of the spectrum depending on how polite I want to sound that day haha. Times when I just want to vent in a post, I just basically skip thru all the "diggers and solvers" replies.
I just realized you could click and see everyone's stock and was not surprised that the ones giving me the goofiest responses either didn't appear to be active sellers or their selling $5 trinkets and wouldn't hesitate to issue a little refund.
Yea volume significance is relative here. But a very popular rule of thumb is to "Never list anything on ebay you aren't comfortable losing out on 100%." So I'm sure many people here respond with that notion in mind.
I'll never understand why ebay seems to go out of their way to make it hard to profit, we definitely seem to get the shaft unfortunately.
The simple answer is because sellers are too plentiful on ebay and buyers are scarce. As I said in my previous reply, "lesser of the two evils."
10-07-2024 04:01 PM - edited 10-07-2024 04:01 PM
You can strive to get it right or be right - not both. Best of luck to you.
10-07-2024 04:49 PM
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10-07-2024 04:54 PM
The shipping company is responsible. What are you on about?
If the box is damaged and the buyer wants a return as a result, aren't you getting the item back? And why aren't you filing a claim with USPS in this case to get a refund for shipping cost?
10-07-2024 08:59 PM
@nickna3299 wrote:Alright Nice Stamps you're getting my last words on this subject until I get a final decision from ebay on the 10th then I'll update for anyone that may be interested.
I had no intention of doing anything but airing a grievance with my original post, that's the reason I didn't feel the need to go into too many specifics. I officially started this little endeavor Jan this year, made my first sale by the end of that month including my first lesson in the I'm importance of correctly packaging with my second, and what I consider my last, lesson coming in roughly mid-Feb. I broke my first $10,000 in on April 3rd. I'm not trying to brag, just giving you an idea of how many sales that averaged around $200-250 each at that time. So after a little bit of a rocky start I went 8 months without a single incident dealing with shipping and I 100% declare that I have no culpability in this current matter. I am not advocating putting this $260 some loss onto the customer I am simply saying in this particular instance when the buyer has claim in writing there is substantial damage to the actual package and the USPS requires the recipient to bring the package in then that falls on the buyer to do so. And when the PO covers only the $100 basic insurance then the next entity in line of responsibility is ebay and their money back guarantee to cover the remainder. Now that's how I feel about this situation and in order to never have to deal with this again I will now add full coverage insurance for every item sold going forward with that extra cost being baked into my price and passed on to my customers. So the two innocent parties will unfortunately take on the extra financial burdens, the buyer directly and the seller through sales reductions while the post office who did the damage and ebay that beats their chest to their money back guarantee while holding the seller responsible for their flawed guarantee. Now you or anyone else can agree, disagree, or feel indifferent about what I'm finding absolutely insanely unfair to sellers and even encouraged to express their opinions but when they start telling me I'm in the wrong and throwing judgment around with next to no facts to legitimately cast those judgments they need to know I'm not just take it. But enough of all that, would you mind answering a couple questions I have about a couple stamps I have?
Once again, you fail to understand policy and reality. The Ebay MBG takes your money to pay the buyer claim. And pays the entire refund with your money, Should you collect USPS insurance, that is yours to help defray your costs associated with the damaged shipment.
Whether the item is insured has no impact on the buyer other than the need for the buyer to cooperate if you are to collect insurance. Your communications with the buyer may affect his willingness to cooperate.
If you did not double box the shipment with adequate packaging materials between the cartons, the chances of collecting insurance from USPS are poor. And learning to double box is not something one learns by doing, new sellers usually learn to by having another seller or shipper suggest it.
10-07-2024 09:11 PM
Shipping model trains as I do, the inevitable loss or damage occurs. I find it precious on the lost item claims and the obvious mishandling claims that the USPS requires the sender to bring the missing item into the local post office. After sending photos that I request the buyer to send to verify damage or after waiting the required time for an item to be declared lost and USPS claims denies the claim, I've found that the threat of bringing the state insurance commissioner's office and my local Congressional office into the discussion works wonders on the USPS. If they don't positively respond immediately a letter from the local Congressional staff has never failed.
10-07-2024 09:39 PM - edited 10-07-2024 09:55 PM
You purchase insurance on everything you sell.You also package your item well as insurance does not cover a POOR packaging job.
This is an example of a poor packaging job. @nickna3299
@nickna3299 wrote:I have a huge problem with the concept that a seller is responsible for damage occurred during shipping even when the buyer plainly states there is visible damage to the box. I dont feel its right to then hang it on the buyer but in the case of a USPS claim the person making the claim will be required to bring the physical package and item in for inspection. So unfortunately that falls on the receiver/buyer. Second in line, if the sellers listing states "accepts no returns", should make it fall on ebay and their money back guarantee. Why does it seem the seller always ends up with the raw deals, who's moral compass are these decisions aligned with?
10-07-2024 10:56 PM
Tldr, you want eBay to force buyers to jump through hoops.
I, and probably many others wouldn't buy from a site that required it.
Inconvenience me more having to send something broken back. Now I gotta schedule a time at the post office for insurance and write statements.
No thanks.
10-07-2024 11:21 PM
That may be your top take away but it definitely isn't mine. You obviously didn't read any of the updates where I thoroughly explained the packing was beyond excessive and the buyer clearly states the package was "partially crushed" so how would your takeaway be "the moral of the story is to package correctly"?! My takeaway after I went around and clicked on individuals profiles that were freely handing out half backed advice and casting judgments is that I can only assume they are picturing filling a return for a $5 dog collar or whatever their average sale consists of because if they were in my shoes and being made to forfeit almost $300 when every stitch of evidence points to my innocence, I highly doubt they would be so quick to justify this gaping hole in ebay policies that unfairly targets the hardest working income generators involved in this whole digital platform.