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Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

I do it take returns unless item is not as described.  I sold a $400 necklace to a buyer they wanted to return because "it was a gift and they didn't like it. " I said no and eBay sided with me after seeing his reason.  The buyer then disputed with his credit card saying it's not as described.  He lied. I showed written evidence he lied and said he didn't like it as reason for return in writing.  CC sided with the buyer and now I am out the money and the item.  When I called to dispute the decision eBay says there is nothing they can do. I am now out $800.  Bye  bye eBay I am going REAL after 15 years and all the restrictions and increased commissions along with them frequently siding with buyers I am done.  I am going to buy one share of stock now they are public and attend the next shareholders meeting to spread the word.  Sellers pay for this billion dollar company but they abuse us.

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Re: Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

Nonsense. Of course sellers had to deal with chargebacks in the paypal days.

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@pargran3 wrote:

Nonsense. Of course sellers had to deal with chargebacks in the paypal days.


The difference, though, is that since Paypal itself maintained the funding, they would fight the chargeback on the seller's behalf (I had several chargebacks then).  The one problem I have with MP is that the seller is now completely vulnerable to the CC company's decision.  I don't believe in free returns (they're not free) but I would never have a no-return policy on anything remotely expensive and that would be one reason.


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@designersclosets wrote:

Having eBay side with me and then the credit card company believe lies when it's in writing is not acceptable.  I called they buyer but he probably will just keep it.  I'm leaving eBay and going to another platform that respects sellers 


Credit card disputes are the same on EVERY platform. If you had not played hardball with your buyer and accepted the return, you would have your item back to resell and would not be here whining about eBay.  This one is on you.

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Re: Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

Now that eBay doesn't play ball with Pay Pal it's a freaking nightmare.  I'm leaving this platform after over 15 years.  They went public and started raising Final Value fees, adding promotional fees and not standing by it's sellers.  I can not understand the Sellers are the income for them not buyers.  They charge international fees as of the first of the year.  TheRealReal gets my business and I'll gladly pay more to a company that is loyal to sellers.

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Re: Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

Yes the buyer committed fraud but I don't know how to resolve it.  eBay said they will refund me the $20 dispute fee.  Wasn't that generous?

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@hardyjewels wrote:

Now that eBay doesn't play ball with Pay Pal it's a freaking nightmare.  I'm leaving this platform after over 15 years.  They went public and started raising Final Value fees, adding promotional fees and not standing by it's sellers.  I can not understand the Sellers are the income for them not buyers.  They charge international fees as of the first of the year.  TheRealReal gets my business and I'll gladly pay more to a company that is loyal to sellers.


Chargebacks existed when PP was here too.  Apparently you just never got one.   

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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I sent the eBay message to the credit card company stating it was a gift and they didn't like it.  But the credit card company sided with their client and eBay will not help me or give me the info so I can go back to them and dispute.  eBay will not let me dispute either.  I was told it's out of their hands.  I am a small fish in the ocean of listing only selling about $200,000 per year so not much of a loss for a billion dollar public company.  You can bet I will be sending a letter to Shareholders relations for this fraud.

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Re: Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

You didn't just say that in writing!!  Do you work for eBay?  eBay has a responsibility to it's sellers.  They should have pushed back against the charge back and at least required the item be returned.  

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I sold it for my cost.  It was in inventory too long and it needed to go.  I lost $800 eBay did not stand up for me to at least get the item back.  How is eBay protecting sellers?

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@hardyjewels wrote:

...  I am a small fish in the ocean of listing only selling about $200,000 per year ...


Why would anyone grosses $200K a year waste time and energy on an ordinary loss, a credit card chargeback, of around $400?  

I know you say $800 but anyone operating at your level knows that the loss is only what you have in the piece, not that plus what you might have got for it.

Also, anyone operating at your level knows that some losses are inevitable in retail and accounts for them in overall pricing. 

You have to be a fairly smart cookie to gross $200K a year selling secondhand stuff on-line, so stop making yourself look less smart than you are.

And, by the way, you still have listings showing, despite your efforts to remove them all, so you'd better see what's going on and get the job done before you make a sale.

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This is the first reply that was helpful.  I am going to see about small claims court since the buyer in In LA only 2 hours away from my home. I can file in my county and make him come here to fight it.  Thanks

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Re: Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

eBay employees are identified as such on these boards.   @mandisattictoyz  is NOT an employee. 

No one is "spoofing" anyone, having multiple ID's is perfectly permissable on eBay, as you know, since you have multiple ID's, which is obvious since you outed your other ID.  

People here have the "right" to tell you that you should have accepted the return b/c A- YOU are the one that posted requesting advice.  B-most of these posting ID's you don't like been here since the beginning of eBay & we know how chargebacks work.  

 

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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You are the one with the baby face on your account for babies.  I guess you couldn't think of anything nastier to call me but a whiny baby.  Grow up. eBay does have something to do with this.  They are supposed to protect sellers from liars and thieves.  They should have had the cc company make him return the item before paying out.  And news flash eBay make fees for this transaction so they have their funds.  Get a clue. Ignorance isn't a good look

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Re: Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

     As long as you have been selling and with the value of some of you items I am really surprised this has not happened before. Jewelry tends to be pretty high on the scammers target list. The merchandise is easy to resell or simply melt down for the precious metal content. There is some indication that a no returns policy puts the item higher up on the target list but there is no factual proof to substantiate that. What I find a bit odd is eBay sided with you the remorse return and closed out that case in your favor. The buyer then opens a chargeback using NAD as the reason. EBay does have some seller protection on chargebacks but it is limited. However one of the areas involves chargebacks where a seller has prevailed. You may want to read through the following and try contacting eBay again but do so through the facebook path dial in eBay support is pretty abysmal these days. 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/payment-dispute-seller-protections?id=5293&st=12 

In particular this section. It may be that eBay considered the case with the CC company to be of a different type but a remorse return is probably not a chargeback option. 

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     Chargebacks are becoming a HUGE problem and not just for eBay. Estimates are the business losses are in the billions but the CC companies can do little at the moment as they are forced to operate under the conditions of the Fair Credit Reporting act which was passed in 1974 long before ecommerce even existed and became what it is. The law needs corrected but I don't believe anyone is driving that train. CC companies hate chargebacks due to the resources it costs to handle them. They are also not in the logistics business and do not have to worry about addressing return issues. Chargebacks are pretty much becoming legalized theft. 

     As others mentioned you are not out $800 but whatever you had invested in the item + shipping costs + eBay fees and the $20 dispute fee. While not much of a consolation remember this is a tax write off. 

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Re: Return Ebay sided with me but their credit card didn't now I lose $400 and it item

Hi everyone,

 

This discussion has gotten a bit heated. Please remember that, while it is fine to disagree with others, discussion should always remain friendly and respectful as required by the Rules of Engagement.

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