01-04-2024 12:55 PM
My son purchased a $350-ish item last October. The seller tried to send the item to him but something went wrong at the USPS and it never went out. When the seller checked on it the USPS discovered they still had the item there, fixed the issue, and sent the item.
That item's tracking number made one stop and then completely disappeared. The USPS has no idea what happened to it or where it is and considers it lost mail.
During this time my son was working with the seller on how to resolve. The seller asked for more time which my son agreed to. Now, the seller is ghosting my son and eBay considers the matter closed and we can't get ahold of anybody at eBay.
From what we can tell the seller was never given the money because we never received the item. But we can find absolutely no way to get ahold of eBay to ask them where the money is and how to get it back. We used to be able to open a chat with them and talk with a human but now that is gone and replaced with some automated system that has no programming to handle this sort of issue.
What do we do to get this resolved? Surely it cant' be the case that eBay can just take the money for themselves. And if they handed the money over to the seller even though there was a reported issue and the package was never shown as delivered then surely that would be on them to make right ... right?
Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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01-05-2024 03:18 AM
What changes? eBay offers the Money Back Guarantee to buyers. It has not changed for years, if ever, but the buyer has to be mindful of the deadline. It's pretty simple and clear cut.
01-05-2024 03:19 AM
What changes in how things are done? The Money Back Guarantee for buyers has been pretty much the same for as long as I can remember.
01-05-2024 03:21 AM
The Money Back Guarantee on eBay has worked pretty much the same for years.
Is there any company that has a lifetime guarantee to get your money back?
eBay offers 30 days. Paypal offers 180 days. Most credit cards offer a long time.
01-05-2024 04:34 AM
So when you went to the Post Office the Postmaster admitted they had once had possession of the package and that they lost it? At that point I would have said "so find it". This happened to me once when the PO lost a Priority Flat Rate Envelope that I sent with some very important papers in it. They lost it. I demanded they find it and guess what ... they did their job, did some searching and found it in some facility in Virginia along with many many other "lost" packages and envelopes. I got the missing item back in a few days. They may say it is lost but it is somewhere ... stolen, returned to sender, sitting in some facility waiting for someone to have time to figure out what to do with it.
01-05-2024 06:25 AM
Yes, the seller did request a search for the package. The USPS actually started the search in my Post Office and then worked backwards to the source Post Office.
Finding nothing they then started a search in Atlanta, GA which is where one of their "lost packages" centers are and could not find it.
As mentioned, earlier, it disappeared after its first tracking update. According to the Post Master he knows something wasn't right about the package because a person had to manually key in the tracking number which suggested to him that there was something wrong with the label itself.
After that update (where the person did key the number correctly) it just disappears. They did do a search, two actually, and they have no idea where it went and so wrote up an official "lost mail" document in case we needed it for resolution (which we did, it turned out).
I don't blame the seller for this, of course; she had nothing to do with the post office losing the package. Her post office actually managed to screw up this item's shipping twice so she might have bigger issues on that front as an eBay seller relying on her post office for her business.
My issue with the seller is that she asked for time (as other seller have in the past) and we were fine with giving her that time. She had already agreed to reimburse if it did not show up but when it didn't show up she didn't reimburse. After giving her the time she asked for, we discovered eBay closed the case "for no activity" and she has ghosted us since even though new items keep appearing on her store front so we know she is out there somewhere.
I used to be able to chat with eBay folks to figure stuff out, like this, but for the life of me I can't find the chat anywhere and none of their automated systems have a "did that help? No? Here, let's chat with somebody about it" step. I have never experienced these issues with eBay before which is part of my shock and surprise with how this has played out.
We'll know in a couple of weeks what the credit card company decides to do but the rep on the phone indicated high confidence my son would get his money back. I'm hoping so and now we know better now how worse eBay works on stuff we used to rely on and they were great at.
No major calamity, especially if the credit card company comes through, but definitely shocking and frustrating and by my way of looking at things completely unnecessary. But it is what it is so now we know and can adjust accordingly.
01-05-2024 06:37 AM
I'm sorry that you trusted the seller to be honest and she wasn't. She basically scammed you and is not being honest. Most of us would have refunded you seeing that you never got the package. I hope your chargeback works. She took advantage of the fact that you only have one month to file a claim and was nice enough to you to prevent you from opening the claim until the deadline passed.
You made the wrong assumption when you thought she would not get her money until the item arrived. I know that was your experience but that's because you are an infrequent seller so there are different rules. Ebay holds funds for new or infrequent sellers for safety reasons so people can't start up new accounts or purchase old accounts that haven't been used in a while and scam people after they immediately get their money. The person you bought from is a frequent enough seller to where she got paid within a couple days after you bought the item.
Right when the issue started you should have either researched item not received on this forum or scheduled a call back from someone from eBay instead of relying on the seller to provide you information. Now that you know so she need to open up these cases within 30 days you should be safer to make purchases on this platform in the future. Also another tip to remember is if they ever send you something that isn't your item even if it's a simple note card, don't file an item not received case because they have tracking to prove that something got to you. Open an item not a subscribed case.
Good luck on your chargeback.
01-05-2024 06:39 AM
Do you have a link for the chat assist? I simply can't find the thing. I've used it in the past but it isn't showing up anywhere that I can see.
I'm convinced it is right in front of my face but even doing text searches on pages that I'm thinking should have a chat link I can't find anything. Heck, I couldn't even find a phone number to call or a method to have them call me (I've done both in the past).
This is actually why I posted for help. Maybe eBay removed it and folks here know that and would let me know that happened. Or maybe they put it somewhere I haven't looked yet and folks could point me in the right direction with a link. It was as shot in the dark but at least it was a shot that might help.
01-05-2024 06:49 AM
Ahhh. Thank you so much for these clarifications, @sapphire_studio .
Yes, absolutely, my assumption about money being held is completely from my own, folks I know, experiences. It makes sense it is this way but I absolutely didn't know it was this way and, honestly, would have had no reason to know it is this way.
Looking at other messages posted here and FAQ style documents on eBay makes it pretty clear that many others are confused about this point, too. It makes sense, now that you explained it to me, and yes, going forward I will absolutely take this into account when the seller asks "give me more time". We have happily given more time, in the past, and have never been burned by it ... this was the first.
As mentioned in some of my other posts this morning I only posted here (actually, only discovered it even existed) while I was scouring eBay pages trying to find the phone and chat information I have used in the past but, even now, I simply can't find any like anywhere and no eBay search has returned any link to them.
Do you know where this functionality exists on the eBay site?
01-05-2024 07:07 AM
At the very bottom of eBay hit "Help and Contact"
Then scroll down until you see "Need More Help?" And under that click "Contact Us"
Then Click "Buying"
Then click "Get Help with an Item that hasnt arrived"
Then click "Chat with our automated Assistant"
Then when you are chatting you want to keep saying "Request a Call back"
You might select the item you are calling about and you might tell them once an item hasn't arrived but just keep typing request a call back until they give you that option.
You will get a quick call from an overseas rep that can help with some things. If they ever cannot help you enough and you need to deal with an American rep you can message them on their eBay for business Facebook page but then you have to wait a day or two to get a response but they have more knowledge for some more complicated matters.
01-05-2024 07:18 AM - edited 01-05-2024 07:21 AM
Hah! That is hil-a-ri-ous!
So they absolutely have buried it, deep, with no clear, or obvious, way to utilize chat. We had already done, multiple times, everything in your description up to "keep saying 'Request a Call back'" which we had no idea was even a thing. Didn't used to be a thing but I guess it is one of those weird "improvements" that they have implemented since the last time I utilized the chat and callback functionality.
I used to do user interface design early in my computer career ... this sort of thing is what we studied, over 20 years ago, as "anti-patterns" in UI design: things never to do to your users.
It's all just so funny, so unnecessary, and so obviously broken that I can't believe this user experience was ever signed off on by eBay's Product, Marketing, or Customer Service executives. It is just sooooo bad and, yes, I am speaking as a professional. OMG.
Thank you, so much, @sapphire_studio ... we will try that and see what happens.
01-05-2024 07:23 AM
I agree that it's an absolute joke how hard it is to talk to a human. They do it on purpose they want all of eBay to be completely automated.
01-05-2024 07:32 AM
The issue now is that you have passed the deadline to get help from eBay.
Your credit card should reimburse you so just wait for that.
Don't exactly see that it's eBay's fault that your son waited so long to pursue a refund.
ALL shoppers everywhere need to make it their business to know how to handle a situation if something goes wrong.
01-05-2024 08:19 AM
The situation was that we were working with the seller who gave us no indication that she was going to do what she is now doing. Ebay strongly encourages us, as buyers, to work things out with sellers and we have never had any real issues when doing so in the past.
My son gave the seller the time she requested and we didn't realize that that time also magically coincided with eBay's automated system closing the case with no recourse to do anything about it.
I have little use or interest in "fault" and thanks especially to sapphire_studio's clarifications on things we definitely know better going forward. In the future we will keep sellers on a much shorter leash and absolutely will not be extending them the grace that we have in the past and, in general, feel compelled to believe is the best way to behave, in life.
And, again, if I as a customer cannot trust the businesses I am doing business with, whether eBay or an eBay seller, then I will not be doing business with them regardless of whether somebody feels it is incumbent on me to police everybody else's behavior lest we become called out "should have known better".
I'm not new to this as I have used eBay, and many online vendors, for many years now but this specific situation is very new to me as it has never played out this way before regardless of some policy document somewhere that nobody knows about, can find, or reads, or even has reason to believe will ever apply to them.
It isn't that hard.
Just do the right thing and take care of your reputation and customer's experience.
I've been doing that for decades now so I'm always confused when others choose not to and even more confused when others choose to defend that sort of behavior.
In this case a seller sold an item that she knows was never received. If sapphire is correct then it is also very likely that she, in fact, received the money and received it within days because she has a large, active, eBay store. She requested time to sort thing out with the USPS, which we gave her, and she said if it couldn't be resolved she would refund the money. And, instead, the clock expired that we (and from what I can tell reading online many, many, others) did not know was even ticking and once expired this seller has chosen to no longer respond to us and keep a substantial chunk of money for services, and product, she did not render.
Don't really care whose "fault" it is.
At best this is an unfortunate "fell through the cracks" episode and, yes, I do believe that eBay should step in and help. At the very least eBay should not make it so damned hard to work with them on stuff like this especially given that it didn't used to be this ridiculously hard. That is on eBay. They are the ones that have chosen to do it this way.
At worst, it was a seller taking advantage of eBay's automation systems and leveraging her customer's desire to do the right thing, by helping her out, so she could leverage her vastly larger experience base to keep money that isn't hers to keep.
I have a hard time believing she is a bad person acting in bad faith. She gave no indication that she was anything but above board or that she would not do the right thing or the things she said she would do. I choose to believe this is the case and that something else must be going on but since she has completely stopped interacting with us we simply will probably never know one way or the other.
In the meantime we live and learn, will hopefully receive a refund from the credit card dispute case, and will leave information for future customer's of hers that this went down the the way it did.
Nothing else to do that I am aware of but there is plenty that eBay, and the seller, could do to keep this from happening the way it did. And, going forward, we now know that we can't trust and work with sellers even though, until now, we've never had any reason not to.
03-21-2024 08:42 PM
Welcome to ebay support the sellers and steal your money...they did me! I only buy a few things but not buy everything on another platform that wont allow Stelling