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Well, once again EBAY does NOTHING to back up the seller! As a twenty-year seller (TOP-RATED PLUS) who has always been blessed with 100% feedback (I go the extra mile to keep it, believe me!), I received my first negative feedback today, which at my request EBAY did not remove, and here is my story...

I ship the item, a large book, on time and USPS tracking confirms that it was delivered today,  11/23 (Saturday)  at 3:42 p.m. IN THE MAILBOX.  Within an hour, with NO notification from the buyer, I see that I receive a negative feedback from said buyer stating that the 'item was stolen off  their front porch.' Not only did I get blindsided, I didn't even have time to send them a refund (which I did immediately thereafter) before they left the negative- but EBAY customer service or whatever it is (or isn't) would not remove the negative! What is EBAY coming too? How can an event beyond a seller's control be our fault? Did I steal the item 'off the front porch?' The buyer is probably lying anyway being a scammer, but that's not the point. The point is that this negative FB injustice is so infuriating, I don't know what to do. Its hard enough getting sales on this platform, I have to scratch and claw and use every artifice to make one measly sale, every little advantage helps, and I believe 100% feedback is a necessary tool for more sales. I personally feel more secure buying from a seller with top FB, so I assume that's the case with most buyers! I feel like just closing up my EBAY store and saying screw it, because obviously EBAY doesn't have your back and hasn't for MANY YEARS NOW!!!

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@bisbeeminerals wrote:

After 25 years of this crap on eBay, I just sent a request to close my store. I'll need some time to copy and transfer items over to Etsy, but enough is enough. Who wants to run a business with the constant threat of being bullied by a company that does not give a sh-t about the people who are making them money. I will lose my main revenue, but I'll have the satisfaction of knowing they will never get another cent from me. I do want to apologize to those people here who I offended with my curt responses. This is not an easy decision, and it's quite emotional, but sometimes you have to sacrifice for what is right.

 

Thanks again everyone and have a good holiday,

 

Warren


You do not need to make a request to close your store.  You can just close it anytime you want.  If you are on the yearly subscription plan, you may have some early termination fees, but you can close your store anytime you want.

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/ebay-stores/close-ebay-store?id=4091

 

You can close your store and close your listings anytime you are ready to do it.  You just need to make sure that before you close your account that you get what you want from your closed listings.  But you do not need to leave your listings and store open while you do that.  You just need to make sure you can still access your account.

 

You have to do what is best for you.  If one negative is one too many for you, then you are doing the right thing.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Most likely they didn't write a long multi paragraph rant which will be bumped up for "relevancy" by AI.  So probably minimal impact. 

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I appreciate the notes. I have removed all my items and I'm no longer selling.  Once more, people are confused by why the buyer left negative feedback. In our messages, he was upset with eBay and some problems he was having with their accounting system and transfer of funds. Yes, I could not deliver the item because it was broken and I issued a full refund within three days because this occurred over the weekend when I am closed. His anger and purpose for the negative feedback was with eBay and either his credit card or PayPal. The argument is that eBay bears some responsibility for angering this individual and to ignore this by harming a seller is irresponsible. Thanks again.

 

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We understand your argument on this matter, but I sincerely feel that feedback wouldn't hurt that much, and probably not at all had a better follow-up been offered for future buyers to see.   It would benefit greatly to clear up your anger over this if you could accept your part in it happening.  Regardless of how ebay and their part in the refund delay complicated the situation and annoyed the buyer, it is a fact your part caused the situation to happen in the first place.  The buyer knows this, which is why the negative ended up going to you.

 

I've had my fair share of negatives and survived them all.  Feedback isn't what it used to be.

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So now the feedback was changed to Positive, but the longwinded response now makes you look silly.

 

Why would you refund if something is stolen from a porch anyway?

 

MILLIONS of packages are stolen and HALF of them are NOT really stolen, just crooked buyers. 

 

You jumped the gun on responding.

You jumped the gun on refunding.

 

Stop doing that- wait 1 full day to 'think about it' going forward.

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@bisbeeminerals wrote:

Welcome to the Draconian world of eBay, where a buyer can sabotage your account right before the holidays. This also happened to me, and is one reason I sell on multiple platforms. I hate Ebay for allowing this to happen. There are bad sellers who continually rip people off by selling fake or misleading items who need to be removed but never are, and there are honest sellers who work very hard to gain trust, only to be punished because some hot head leaves negative feedback because they had a bad day. I recently received negative feedback because the buyer was not happy about how long it took Ebay (not me) to transfer his funds back into his account. I have zero control over Ebay accounting but I still received negative feedback, destroying holiday sales. I'm moving more and more items back over to Etsy where at least the criminal, hate-generated negative feedbacks are absorbed into the overall picture and a single negative feedback does not lower your score from 100% to 91%.


@bisbeeminerals 

Your reply to the feedback is defensive and doesn't show that you accept that this was your error.

 

If that feedback is negatively impacting your holiday sales, my opinion is that it's your reply that is hurting you more than the buyer's feedback. 

albertabrightalberta
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Yes, it's OK for eBay (not me) to delay putting funds back into a seller's account because they had a PayPal problem. Regardless, account closing.

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@bisbeeminerals wrote:

Yes, it's OK for eBay (not me) to delay putting funds back into a seller's account because they had a PayPal problem. Regardless, account closing.


I haven't seen anyone say that, but this appears to be a personal issue with how you choose not to accept any responsibility in issues created by you rather than how ebay refunds on your behalf.

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@bisbeeminerals wrote:

Once more, if a buyer is mad with eBay because eBay did not solve their funds transfers, it's eBay's fault, not the seller. All the seller can do is issue a refund, then it's up to eBay. A lot of buyers think the sellers handle the entire banking process which is not true.


That your buyer is upset because of the time it takes for funds to transfer is secondary to the real reason your buyer was unhappy. You aren't getting that! You took 3 days to let the buyer know you misplaced the item and that's what they're most disappointed about. 

 

If you hadn't lost the item, the transfer-of-funds time wouldn't be an issue. 

albertabrightalberta
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@bisbeeminerals wrote:

the buyer understood and accepted that the item could not be found



@bisbeeminerals wrote:

Yes, I could not deliver the item because it was broken 


Is it possible that the buyer didn't believe you? The changing excuse for not completing the sale kept changing.

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 We were closed over the weekend and have a listed 5-day handling time. The item could not be delivered and the buyer was issued a full refund. He did not have a problem with that. Can you understand this or do I need to paint you a picture? The buyer was fine with this and we exchanged friendly messages, including the option of sending him a free item. What triggered the buyer was when eBay and him had a dispute over some type of issue with his funds being put back in his account. This is not something I have control over. You need to stop defending eBay, they are at fault in this case.

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I am so done with you rude, condescending people who have zero appreciation for how sellers are treated. Signing off.

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@bisbeeminerals wrote:

Yes, it's OK for eBay (not me) to delay putting funds back into a seller's account because they had a PayPal problem. Regardless, account closing.


I think you meant Buyer.  And how do you know there was some "delay"?  Did Ebay tell you they were delaying the refund?  If so why?

 

I think moreover what happened is your buyer thought the refund would be instant, but that isn't how it works.  Had you of explained the process to them as I suggested in an earlier post, they likely would not have been upset about the refund timing.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@albertabrightalberta wrote:

@bisbeeminerals wrote:

the buyer understood and accepted that the item could not be found



@bisbeeminerals wrote:

Yes, I could not deliver the item because it was broken 


Is it possible that the buyer didn't believe you? The changing excuse for not completing the sale kept changing.


Part of their problem with the buyer is that when the buyer contacted them asking where their refund was, they just blamed Ebay and threw their hands up and said that they don't have anything to do with that process.  Instead of taking a moment to explain the process to the buyer, which likely would have calmed the buyer down on the issue.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@bisbeeminerals wrote:

I am so done with you rude, condescending people who have zero appreciation for how sellers are treated. Signing off.


Make sure you look in the mirror on your way out!


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