01-10-2023 08:04 AM
01-14-2023 08:54 AM
@natoman777 wrote:What I have had happen lately is someone who receives and item that is new and they don't like it, they say it is defective of damaged. They claim it smells musty or smokey. I have to pay for return shipping, I get it and it has absolutely no smell. I don't give them original shipping in the refund. I report them. eBay then refunds them without any money from me or repercussions on my account. They totally have lied and still get all their money back, and I am stuck with a new item to try and sell again. I know they can send it back to me, but all the lying and false claim are annoying.
For a NAD claim (which you are stating it was, there's no way for you to deduct original shipping from the refund. Buyer gets full payment refunded.
01-10-2023 08:19 AM
Because the buyer should not be inconvenienced in anyway. They ordered an item. The item should arrive exactly how it was displayed. If it is damaged it is policy to make sure it arrives exactly as displayed. This is your responsibility. There are of course some bad actors as buyers whom make it a scammers paradise, but we are talking less than 1% here.
01-10-2023 08:25 AM
Jeez, tell that to any of the numerous retail outlets that require the buyer to make reasonable efforts to provide proof of damage. It’s typically shoppers whose entire retail experiences are limited to cheap Amazon trinkets and Walmart that have some unrealistic, idealistic view of retail as if we are all selling cheap junk with thousands of % markup.
01-10-2023 08:31 AM
Even if ebay did that do you really think a lying buyer wouldn’t lie about it and then break the item?
I rather get the item back in resellable condition than an item someone took a hammer to in order to facilitate a return.
01-10-2023 08:45 AM
Not all damage can be proven with photos. My dad once bought a tape deck... it arrived nonfunctional but perfectly intact physically. How does one provide proof of something like that?
01-10-2023 09:02 AM
Ebay is not the shipper.
The buyer did not contract the shipper.
That leaves one other person/entity to take care of the problem.
Sadly ebay's MBG is a powerful tool for less than honest people.
01-10-2023 09:12 AM
Because it's the sellers job to deal with the carrier, since they are the ones that hired them.
01-10-2023 09:34 AM
IF the item has Insurance, and, as in the case of USPS, the Carrier REQUIRES item & packaging be PRESENTED to 'the Carrier' for 'inspection (before a Claim can be determined), then, IMHO, a SELLER should be able to NOTIFY eBay (thru the Portal), that REFUND REQUIRES Recipient COMPLY w/ Carrier's Insurance Procedure.
01-10-2023 09:44 AM - edited 01-10-2023 09:45 AM
01-10-2023 10:01 AM
@genv you are right on the nose about that. I’ve written my congressmen about marketplaces choosing to offer a shipping service, then they must abide by the policies of such provider. So when a certain marketplace or two deems tracking not a form of the customer actually receiving the item, then it should be honored according to the carriers policy, such as usps when tracking shows delivered.
01-10-2023 10:46 AM - edited 01-10-2023 10:46 AM
The buyer does not contact the shipper because the buyer does not have a contract with the shipper. The buyer's contract for safe delivery of the goods as described is with the seller. The seller has the contract with the shipper.
So, if there's a problem, the buyer takes it up with the seller and, after the buyer is satisfied by the seller, the seller takes it up with the shipper. That's why you buy insurance, so that if something is damaged and you must refund the customer you are then reimbursed by the carrier.
If you don't believe me, then check the Uniform Commercial Code, Perfect Tender Rule.
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01-10-2023 11:04 AM
Because that is YOUR job. Most of the time that an item arrives broken it's the seller's fault for not packing well enough.
01-10-2023 11:37 AM
Because the shipper works for the seller.
The buyer might have had a chance to refuse the item when they saw the damage, if they were actually being handed it. But not if it was left on the porch for pickup.
And even there, the damage may have happened after the shipper left.
Plus, if the buyer refuses the package because of obvious damage, he no longer qualifies for the Money Back Guarantee since a refused shipment is considered Undeliverable.
The shipper is responsible to the seller.
The seller is responsible to the buyer.
01-14-2023 08:41 AM
That 1 percent can really hurt, when you do your best to protect the item. What can you do when the parcel goes out of Country? Then different shippers are involved. You are then at the mercy of the Buyer. A damaged article returned to you is a total loss, especially where it seems to be such abnormal damage. Shippers, regardless of insurance, have their own rules. And are not eager to give away money.
01-14-2023 08:48 AM
I believe I had such a Buyer, no damage to the outside of the parcel, yet the item was almost completely destroyed, inside the heavily protected packaging, pictures show, damage beyond any abnormal shipping handling. And it is out of Country9