06-04-2018 03:39 PM
06-04-2018 06:28 PM
Another way in which size is eBay's greatest enemy, and one that I think is eBay's fault, but I also blame general human nature:
When I first joined eBay almost 20 years ago, it seemed to me that most of the serious sellers were specialists and serious hobbyists: people who sold what they sold because they were genuinely into those items. Used book sellers, nerdy collectors, etc. That's what made the marketplace fun and exciting and (at the time) unique: dealng with people who knew what they were selling because they were into it, and on a large scale in a relatively controlled environment. After years of having traded games through little message boards, it felt like I had gone from hanging out in a motel to a 4-star hotel.
But then, eBay became a cultural phenomenon. Yes, the big-box stores started coming in, but to me, that wasn't the worst of it. The worst of it was the sellers who came here because it was the new El Dorado, the thing that stepped in to fill the gap when day trading fizzled. It drew a whole new class of get-rich-the-easy-way sellers who were here not because they sold stuff that they enjoyed, but because they were empty shells in search of money. A lot of them tried dropshipping because it was a "passive income opportunity." A lot of the were gulled by infomercials hawking courses on how to get rick quick on eBay. A lot of them came here and brazenly asked, "What should I sell? Where do I get it? [Because I'm an empty-headed, empty-souled piece of human dandruff]." I guess I would describe it as selling, without any sort of content. They lowered the tone of the marketplace, diluting the quality of what was being sold here. And those types of seller are still here, with eBay's blessing. Because they help eBay stay big, so that Wall Street stays satisfied.
In that sense also, I think eBay is also the victim of its own growth/success.
06-04-2018 06:35 PM
@dhbookds wrote:Failure to test features before going live.......resulting in glitches, while at the same time, not announcing changes which leaves everyone to wonder if something is a "change" or a "glitch", with the ensuing confusion, resentment, etc.
To sum it up..........there seems to be NO oversight or quality control on programming changes.....at least from all the mistakes made in the last 6-10 months.......and NO public relatons effort toward sellers.
Thank you; you've saved me a bunch of typing there.
I don't get the sense that the company is disorganized so much as that it's constricted: someone higher up gets a brain fart of an idea, and rams it down the chain to be implemented as soon as possible. This despite the fact that the idea may be demonstrably impractical, poorly thought through and/or poorly implemented in code.
We've seen the impractical and poorly-thought-through happening any number of times, including this most recent fiasco, where the change (redirecting requests for closed/sold items to live items instead) didn't account for circumstances where the user needed to see that specific ended item, not a new one (e.g. comparison shopping; dispute resolution), and the page that was delivered had either an obscured link to the intended destination, or no link at all.
We've seen the poorly-implemented code on many occasions as well, such as page redesigns that ended up wasting more space than the page they replaced, or pages that required more key-clicks to complete an operation than the page they replaced. For example, the newfangled "Seller Hub" spread selling information over multiple pages that the old My eBay page was able to supply in one.
More significantly, we've seen pages and official emails with basic spelling and grammatical errors, suggesting that even the most rudimentary testing or peer review has been skipped. It appears that coding duties are being farmed out to code writers with little or no knowledge of eBay operation, and what is handed back goes into live Production use with no testing. For example, prior to rolling out the new code, did anyone notice that some redirects were giving the user a page that had no possible way of accessing the link to the ended listing that he was attempting to reach?
Finally, the lines of communication between users and anyone within eBay who is able to either explain changes, defend them or fix them are tightly controlled to the point of strangulation. For example, with this most recent change in behavior for accessing ended listings, there is no one at eBay who has stood up and said, "This is the change we made, this is the problem that we are attempting to solve, and this is why we think it's a good idea."
Instead, the front-line folks such as Trinton, Alan & company appear to have had no warning that this was coming, and yet at the same time are on such a tight leash that they can't come right out and say, "Hey, it's news to us. Let us check into this and find out what the heck is going on." Instead, they're forced to write in a gurgling sort of Marketing-speak that doesn't install any confidence that things can get resolved, or that they have the clout to advocate on behalf of eBay customers. I suspect if they were fortified with a couple of stiff Gin and Tonics (I recommend Tanqueray) and presented with a keyboard, their responses would suddenly get a lot more colorful, if not more accurate.
In conclusion, I have never encountered a company more walled-off from its customers than this one, and the resulting lack of clear, two-way communication, combined with inept design, coding and testing is what leads to this sort of a mess. Its shareholders deserve better. So do the rest of us.
06-04-2018 06:37 PM
06-04-2018 06:37 PM
There's no problems when people do well on here. Suddenly, everything is wrong with Ebay when sales are down. Ever wonder what you as a seller can do to change that? Ebay is in it for money yes, of course, ah, absolutely. Why not? are we all not here also for that, and maybe many who give to charity here, or offer a service like the lady who won the Ebay shine awards for the food pantry she provides for people in Atlanta. There are lot's of things that can go wrong and there are problems with every selling platform or entreprenuer running their own website. Not saying that sometimes things worry me here sometimes as well but you just have to roll with it.
06-04-2018 06:38 PM - edited 06-04-2018 06:39 PM
Seller co-operation? Would you please expand on that.
06-04-2018 06:42 PM
06-04-2018 06:44 PM
Triton and Alan and all the rest have to use a certain type of etiquette when responding to these posts, not because they are being held by a stiff dog leash but because they have to be careful what they say or all heck would break loose and that is not good for anybody here sellers, buyers or Ebay. There is very rarely a situation that they have not responded to in an appropriate manner, and they have been helpful to many.
06-04-2018 06:48 PM
We've seen the impractical and poorly-thought-through happening any number of times, including this most recent fiasco, where the change (redirecting requests for closed/sold items to live items instead) didn't account for circumstances where the user needed to see that specific ended item, not a new one (e.g. comparison shopping; dispute resolution), and the page that was delivered had either an obscured link to the intended destination, or no link at all.
And it was entirely pointless. They were already putting 4 or 5 similar live items on an ended listing anyhow. If the user wanted to re-direct to a live listing, it was right there for them to do - multiples of them.
06-04-2018 06:54 PM
A.C. I will add a another new one to your list- all night I can ONLY list in the CATEGORY selected for me while listing fresh merchandise, the one ebay picks and on top of the ability to list in more than category has mysteriously been handcuffed and blocked. I am unable to add a second category tonight. I hope this is not the new norm-- We will tell you where to list and what category. No warning out of nowhere just started tonight on both my accounts!
06-04-2018 07:10 PM
WOW!!
INCREDIBLE!!
Seriously Sweet Tea,
It's like you just read my mind...VERBATIM!
You honestly hit the nail on the head.
Great post OP!
06-04-2018 07:22 PM
1. Identity crisis, as evidenced by
2. Extremely poor marketing and advertising messages.
I'd clean house in the marketing department first, then run straight over to website management. They're all drinking the same Kool-Aid.
06-04-2018 07:24 PM
Oh, I agree with that. The many changes that happen here all the time has you re thinking your business plan almost every second. That is where my worries come from, and a few more grey hairs.
06-04-2018 07:25 PM
Ebay's biggest problem is being expected to be all things to all people.
Second biggest problem is not having the IT expertise needed for this site.
06-04-2018 07:31 PM
@ted_200 wrote:We've seen the impractical and poorly-thought-through happening any number of times, including this most recent fiasco, where the change (redirecting requests for closed/sold items to live items instead) didn't account for circumstances where the user needed to see that specific ended item, not a new one (e.g. comparison shopping; dispute resolution), and the page that was delivered had either an obscured link to the intended destination, or no link at all.
And it was entirely pointless. They were already putting 4 or 5 similar live items on an ended listing anyhow. If the user wanted to re-direct to a live listing, it was right there for them to do - multiples of them.
BTW, that's just another half-baked "improvement". It's not difficult to see what the finished product will look like though... that live listing they're re-directing to, by Sept. that will be replaced with the Product Page / buy box for that "product". And no doubt have the "listing" link removed too.
06-04-2018 09:34 PM
@vintagecraze50 wrote:Trinton and Alan and all the rest have to use a certain type of etiquette when responding to these posts, not because they are being held by a stiff dog leash but because they have to be careful what they say or all heck would break loose and that is not good for anybody here sellers, buyers or Ebay. There is very rarely a situation that they have not responded to in an appropriate manner, and they have been helpful to many.
I'm not suggesting that they have been anything less than appropriate and as helpful as they can. Not at all... and I know about how "all heck would break loose" if they were not careful with their wording. I don't envy their job but I definitely respect it.
However, as someone who's in a very similar position in a different and fairly large software company, I not only speak for the company when dealing with our customers (who are paying us large sums for licenses), but also have the latitude to admit when we messed something up and are working on a resolution. At eBay, I suspect that saying anything as freely as that would get you the door, if not the nearest window. It's the difference between being a customer advocate and a spokesman. We'd like the former but we have the latter.
What we're missing here are candor and freer communication. I can see it in their responses, and I don't blame them for it; I'm just pointing it out, and I think I'm probably as frustrated about it as they are.