04-03-2019 11:36 AM
A buyer recently opened a SNAD return for item "Wrong Item Sent."
The FIRST SENTENCE from the buyer in the message was "TECHNICALLY THIS WAS THE RIGHT ITEM SENT BUT DID NOT FIT."
Phoned eBay to report this and THEY SAY THEY CANNOT REMOVE THE DEFECT FROM MY SERVICE METRICS!
Even though the buyer CLEARLY ADMITTED IT!
How is this right? How is this LEGAL!?
Now I am at a 3.5% Return rate which is deemed as "VERY HIGH"
Now they are going to collect another 4% from me! Unbelievable!
I'd say about 85-90% of my "Returns" are from buyer error and the buyer selecting whichever reason they please!
eBay has MONOPOLIZED off buyers selecting whatever reason they please to open a return!
Even called in and WHEN A RETURN IS CLOSED IN YOUR FAVOR IT DOES NOT LEAVE THE SERVICE METRIC PERCENTAGE!
This is outright THEFT!
04-03-2019 11:12 PM
04-04-2019 03:41 AM
They don't care about good customer service on our part, that's obvious for a long long time. It is more important to retain the customer and keep them coming back to ebay. That is the bottom line. If they lose a customer for not letting them get away with a faulty return or proving to the customer that they are wrong, that sours the customer and ebay might lose them. This is all about the competition for market share.
04-04-2019 04:51 AM - edited 04-04-2019 04:53 AM
And I’m still upset that a partial refund which WAS, in fact, a shakedown is considered a return!
They both begin with letter R but a partial refund is not a return.
I spoke to customer service 3 x about this for approximately 2 1/2 hours on phone speaking to supervisor after supervisor
but this still stands as buyer filed a return request for 20 minutes before I partially refunded him.
And what about me, an eBay seller for 21 years. Doesn’t EBay care if they lose me?
04-04-2019 06:33 AM
04-04-2019 06:43 AM
I have been beating this dead horse about that Return Button since midsummer when they instituted it...I don't buy here, but as a test bought something in May just to see what buyer's see once they buy. Through the whole buying process (day I bought it, while it was in transit to me, and after it reached me), eBay kept sending me cheaper items, not even close to what I purchased. Then the seller and I left mutual positive feedback. All done EXCEPT that big ole return button stayed on my purchase history for over 60 days when, in fact, the seller only had a 30 day buyer pays return. I have said it before...that Button only is a subliminal push to get the buyer to rescind on the sale, not to mention the 5 days of ebay showing me cheaper items which to me is enticing me to maybe cancel the order since eBay showed me something cheaper. Rant is done.
Granted, yes, other ecomm sites have a return block, but not a glaring huge Return button that sits there all alone for like 60 days. I like how the Big A does it: you purchase it, then it puts a comment under your item "Return eligible up to XX date." Then to the side in a small blocks: track, return or replace, Share gift receipt, Leave FB, write a review. Now that verbage is when your item is still under their Return warranty. Once you pass that return date, it says: Return window closed on xxx, then blocks: track, Leave FB, write review, archive order. No where is there anything blaring like the eBay Return Button. Second rant done.
04-04-2019 02:23 PM
Wow, more senseless returns. 3.71% Rate.
eBay, you are trash, outright trash.
04-04-2019 02:52 PM
@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
@jewelbiz wrote:And what about me, an eBay seller for 21 years. Doesn’t EBay care if they lose me?
No.
Ebay only cares about losing you as a BUYER.
If they lose me as a seller they also lose me as a buyer. Just sayin . . .
04-04-2019 07:51 PM
This is exactly it. The fact that they have rolled out this nonsense and essentially mandated the promoted listings stuff at the same time is almost criminal. They have no idea how to increase revenues or continue to grow what made the site initially successful, so they are generating short-term profit increases by robbing their sellers, and they are doing so under the guise of increased listing exposure and customer service expectations. This is why we now use multiple selling accounts. Our rate recently hit "very high" in the electronics category, but 70% of those returns have buyers admitting they simply didn't like the item or ordered by mistake. eBay doesn't make an extra dime off of us--we just list under another account that doesn't have the "very high" rate.
While it's true that people will always complain about change, I'm not sure how much worse it can get on here. It's happening at a scary pace, too.
04-04-2019 08:05 PM
@dinpavent0 wrote:
I sell auto also, it happens so so often in our category. No matter how much information we put in. I have had buyers message and ask questions to be sure it is what they are looking for and then they get it and they didn't even know what car they own?!! Seriously, it is the most frustrating thing ever. I gave correct information and the buyer clearly admitted, I am sorry I gave you the wrong year of car, I thought I had a 2012 , not a 2009. Really? So I gave you correct part for exactly what you said you owned but I sent wrong part? I think not. Sorry end of my rant...lol
Not sure if it will help... but... if you don't already, maybe provide a blurb in your listings with instructions and photos for finding the sticker in the driver's side door jamb that shows the make/model/year? Maybe it will help deflect some of the "accidentals" before they happen?
04-04-2019 08:19 PM
@abfabvintage wrote:
I have been beating this dead horse about that Return Button since midsummer when they instituted it...I don't buy here, but as a test bought something in May just to see what buyer's see once they buy. Through the whole buying process (day I bought it, while it was in transit to me, and after it reached me), eBay kept sending me cheaper items, not even close to what I purchased. Then the seller and I left mutual positive feedback. All done EXCEPT that big ole return button stayed on my purchase history for over 60 days when, in fact, the seller only had a 30 day buyer pays return. I have said it before...that Button only is a subliminal push to get the buyer to rescind on the sale, not to mention the 5 days of ebay showing me cheaper items which to me is enticing me to maybe cancel the order since eBay showed me something cheaper. Rant is done.
Granted, yes, other ecomm sites have a return block, but not a glaring huge Return button that sits there all alone for like 60 days. I like how the Big A does it: you purchase it, then it puts a comment under your item "Return eligible up to XX date." Then to the side in a small blocks: track, return or replace, Share gift receipt, Leave FB, write a review. Now that verbage is when your item is still under their Return warranty. Once you pass that return date, it says: Return window closed on xxx, then blocks: track, Leave FB, write review, archive order. No where is there anything blaring like the eBay Return Button. Second rant done.
As I recall, eBay used to work similarly to this but its been changed at some point.
I wasn't aware the button is showing for longer than the return window, although it can be argued that if they bought with PayPal the button can probably be there for 180 days.
After your return window you are not obligated to accept the return so regardless of whether the button is there or not you can still decline.
This is a touchy topic because realistically, a customer can buy something 10 years ago and still walk into a B&M and still try to return it today. Its up to the store as to how they decide to handle it at that point.
I think eBay is trying to make the potential customer feel comfortable about purchasing. I can't really blame them for that.
I propose the following for though:
Say seller has a 30 day return policy and item legitimately breaks on day 31. Then, they go to the site, and can't find any way to return the item. How will the customer perceive this? My guess is, not well.
And, I would venture to say that in most B&Ms if you had a fault on day 31 w/ a 30 day return policy and it was legit, the management would probably do *something* for you. Maybe accept the return... maybe a gift card... maybe a steep discount on a new item. I dunno... depends on the situation.
Removing the button kinda "cuts off" the line of communication, or at least sets up a roadblock. The customer is unlikely to be happy with this.
I have had eBay contact me about customers requesting return outside the return window before and I have also had the same thing happen on Amazon. So, if the button is not there to contact you directly, the customer is just going to call and complain about you to the advertising agency(eBay).
In the end, it probably serves the seller well to at least acknowledge and communicate with the customer, even if the answer is that you won't accept the return because its outside the window.
I'm not sure that eBay can do this (as far as I know, they can't) but it would be great if eBay offered a feature to let sellers offer a previous buyer some kind of discount code(gift card) on a future purchase.
04-04-2019 08:23 PM
I'm also in the Electronics category as well. The return rate in this and the clothing categories have always been much higher than norm. I would also like to know where these peer rates are coming from. I've read that the eBay sellers have typically also been the most loyal eBay buyers as well. They'll lose both long time buyer and seller for being seen as unfair with these changes. It seems to be something the impacts powersellers mostly, due to the data thresholds before they decide you should pay 40% higher eBay fees or not.
04-04-2019 08:28 PM
@mtmonks wrote:This is exactly it. The fact that they have rolled out this nonsense and essentially mandated the promoted listings stuff at the same time is almost criminal. They have no idea how to increase revenues or continue to grow what made the site initially successful, so they are generating short-term profit increases by robbing their sellers, and they are doing so under the guise of increased listing exposure and customer service expectations. This is why we now use multiple selling accounts. Our rate recently hit "very high" in the electronics category, but 70% of those returns have buyers admitting they simply didn't like the item or ordered by mistake. eBay doesn't make an extra dime off of us--we just list under another account that doesn't have the "very high" rate.
While it's true that people will always complain about change, I'm not sure how much worse it can get on here. It's happening at a scary pace, too.
I'm surprised you're only hitting 70% on consumer electronics. Easily 90% of my consumer electronics returns have been complete **bleep**. They either don't like it, can't figure out how to use it/install it, or found one cheaper somewhere else, but don't want to pay to return it so they lie for a free return. That, or they somehow broke it and when I get it back, there are obvious signs of the "butter knife" having been used on the item(they took it apart). I've received items back in my original packaging that were obviously never even opened(like, return label taped over my own label which is taped over the seam of the box) yet somehow the buyer claimed the item "didn't work."
These returns are routinely resold here or elsewhere(if tested good) and I never hear a peep the second time around about the allegedly broken item.
04-05-2019 07:51 AM
I gave up on the metrics after I got screwed over a vacation. Put my account on vacation mode and said I'd return such and such date. I sold a few items over those two weeks, the people were fine with waiting until I got back to pay/receive the item. I get back ship them that Monday and I still got late dinged on me for those. Now I realized I should have used a longer handling time but doesn't VACATION imply you're not doing work during that time.
05-21-2019 05:30 PM
We're in clothing, specifically women's clothing.
Our SNAD return rate is 1.09%.
We are currently rated "very high" and we are paying this 40% fee (50% as of June 2019).
Apparently our peers average is 0.52%. Yup, 1 in every 200 orders in clothing. You couldn't even make that number up without being laughed at (all fellow clothing sellers know it's bogus)
90% of our SNAD returns are buyers remorse, or doesn't fit, but the buyer has chosen the incorrect reason.
eBay will not let us challenge these.
The service metrics scam is now all over the internet, so hopefully it creates enough of a ripple to have something done, but I won't hold my breath.
eBay is shrinking. Gross merchandise value sales were down by 4% in the first few months of this year over last year.
Amazon is stealing their sellers and their buyers, and the solution? Chase more sellers and buyers away with higher prices so management can still claim an earnings beat and collect their bonuses.
This management team is on their last legs. It's just a matter of time before they are forced out by investors.
In the meantime, all us sellers can do is bring it up online every-time we get the chance.
Best of luck to all of you!
05-21-2019 09:51 PM
@bargainbigly wrote:We're in clothing, specifically women's clothing.
Our SNAD return rate is 1.09%.
We are currently rated "very high" and we are paying this 40% fee (50% as of June 2019).
Apparently our peers average is 0.52%. Yup, 1 in every 200 orders in clothing. You couldn't even make that number up without being laughed at (all fellow clothing sellers know it's bogus)
90% of our SNAD returns are buyers remorse, or doesn't fit, but the buyer has chosen the incorrect reason.
eBay will not let us challenge these.
The service metrics scam is now all over the internet, so hopefully it creates enough of a ripple to have something done, but I won't hold my breath.
eBay is shrinking. Gross merchandise value sales were down by 4% in the first few months of this year over last year.
Amazon is stealing their sellers and their buyers, and the solution? Chase more sellers and buyers away with higher prices so management can still claim an earnings beat and collect their bonuses.
This management team is on their last legs. It's just a matter of time before they are forced out by investors.
In the meantime, all us sellers can do is bring it up online every-time we get the chance.
Best of luck to all of you!
Are you actually tracking that metric yourself or going by why the seller performance dash says?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the return rate in clothing/apparel was upwards of 30% or even higher. It certainly is in the B&M world.
Quoting the following in regard to ecommerce:
https://www.shopify.com/enterprise/ecommerce-returns
"According to the company[Zappos], customers who purchase its most expensive footwear ultimately return ~50% of everything they buy."
0.5% - 1% sounds very, really, extremely, exceptionally LOW. Even the B&M's bragging about their low return rates run 7%-8% in clothing an apparel(and just think, the customer can even try it in before they buy it)