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So buyers can abuse ebay's return system with no repercussions?

Someone bought a 1/6 figure outfit from me then an hour later asked me to cancel, then a few minutes after that sent me a message telling me not to cancel. After that he started asking if I had other things I could add to the sale, and I said no. He said fine, go ahead and send it. I had a feeling it would be trouble but did my part as I was supposed to.

 

Buyer gets the figure and asks to return it, saying there is a stain on the outfit. I told him there was no stain before I shipped, as my listing photos show, and it was sealed in package too, so I asked for a photo. The next day he sent a pic with a tiny dot of lint or something on the unopened outer package. I told him my listings are marked "no returns" but if there is a reason to return it I will anyway. I asked him to please try wiping off the little speck of whatever on the wrapper before we go straight to a return. His response was "No, I'll just wait and have ebay get me my refund. 

I told him there was no need to do that, and I accepted the return.

 

Later that same day I noticed he left me a negative feedback claiming I made up reasons not to take returns and harassed him, which is FAR from true.  I hit the report button on that and explained that the feedback statement was not true and the item I sent was as described.

Buyer then waited until the very last possible day to send the item back, and when I got it back, as expected, there was nothing at all on the package or the dress. It was in perfect condition just as I sent it. 

 

When I finished the return with the refund I had the option to report that I didn't agree with his reason for return and attached pics of the outfit I got back with no "stain" or anything else on it, then I called ebay and asked if there was anything else I could do about this abuse of returns. By telling me he'd just wait and have ebay refund him, he knew I had to do what he wanted whether it was right or not, because we all know ebay would just let him have his money back and keep the item. I had to pay his return shipping and got my first and only negative feedback just for trying to work out the problem with the guy then allowing the return despite it being based on an obvious lie.  The ebay rep said I did what I should do and they will review it. If they find that he did use a false reason to return, I'd be refunded my return shipping and his account would possibly be banned.

 

Seriously though... They just tell you what they think you want to hear and nothing will come of this, right? Buyers can just lie and do whatever, forcing a return for no reason but buyers remorse, I wont get that return shipping cost back, and I am stuck with the negative feedback. Do I have that about right?

 

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That's where I am on this too. Ebay's return system absolutely sucks for the sellers. Are sellers not just as important to ebay as buyers? 

 

What really bothers me most is that this guy is so morally crummy that he can clearly know he's doing something totally wrong then be so petty and mean too just because I asked if we could discuss fixing his issue instead of immediately accepting the fraudulent return request. Lying and cheating someone, leaving a negative feedback with more lies, then even waiting until the end of the last possible day to send the item back... My conscience wouldn't let me do any of that without a real good reason. 

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Yes. Someone said my Hunting World bag was counterfeit but it had the HW leather embossed seal and no one counterfeited HW like Louis Vuitton goods.
And then e-Bay took care of the refund and because I did not know that would damage my reputation I got a warning, even though there was no negative feedback.

The eBay rep in the Phillipines tolm me they have no experts and so just go along with the buyers' wishes.
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This has happened to me many times. 

 

Sorry it happened to you. 

 

Yes, you are correct, ebay does nothing to the buyer.

 

I recently had a buyer use 3 different usernames to buy 3 different items from me, return all 3 items, then leave 3 negative feedbacks. I proved this to ebay. The most ebay was able to do for me is remove the negative feedback. The buyers 3 usernames are still active, no restriction/suspension.  Unbelievable. 

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Yes, and this is just one of the reasons there are fewer and fewer people using this site. Ebay needs to get a hold on the abuse. None of the other sites seem to have as much scamming as this one.

 

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@inhawaii wrote:

I recently had a buyer use 3 different usernames to buy 3 different items from me, return all 3 items, then leave 3 negative feedbacks. I proved this to ebay. The most ebay was able to do for me is remove the negative feedback. The buyers 3 usernames are still active, no restriction/suspension.  Unbelievable


The buyer in question created three accounts. Even if those three accounts were restricted or suspended, doesn't your post prove that they would just create three new ones and continue the same practice?

 

Cracking down on buyers would require eBay to verify a buyer's identity before allowing them to purchase. But that would discourage impulse buying from new users, and I doubt eBay would be open to that.

 

And besides - eBay has no incentive to take action, because when this does happen it is the seller who bears the cost, not eBay.

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I would have preferred a slap on the wrist than no action at all.   At least restricting/suspending his accounts would inconvenience him a little. 

 

And why does ebay always tell you "we'll check it out but we can't tell you the results of our investigation or if there will be any penalties"?

 

Could you imagine if real life law enforcement told you that when you reported a crime to them?

Sea Of Love - The Honeydrippers
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Sadly; this scenario has to be used as a learning lesson. When a buyer wants a return, simply apologize and gladly accept. Anything more, asking for pictures etc. can only lead to more problems in the end. 

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You go right ahead and coddle bad buyers with an apology for their errors. I never will. I'll choose instead (and have) to take my business elsewhere. I vote with my feet and my pocketbook. 

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You obviously do not sell here and/or do not understand customer service. 

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Think she does sell here.

If I'm not mistaken she has sold for quite awhile.

Some people chose to use a separate ID for posting only, due to unwanted consequences.

I believe she was referring to she herself being a customer of eBay.

As sellers are customers of eBay in paying eBay for their services.

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Well said Lindyslucky...I will not be pushed around by customers nor posters on this forum. 

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Not trying to push anyone around; simply stating fact. If that is your attitude toward customers (and you mentioned buyers so the post regarding your comment meaning you were a customer of ebay is not what you were referring to), then what I said stands. 

 

Before returning to construction, I was a Big Box GM for a few of the big boy stores, and believe me, especially with corporate on the 2nd flr of your building- you learn to just 'go with it and live for another sale'. 

 

I've had customers tell me that the spray paint they bought did not paint the room they way they envisioned, as they thought it would act like a 'bug bomb'.. pull the lid, set the can and run out the door. Amazing.. but I had to simply apologize and give them their money back (for empty cans even). 

 

I use that same concept now and find I hold no ill feelings towards people that cost me time and money, because in the bigger scheme of things, they are really a very small percentage of my overall business. 

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I stand by my words, and neither of our opinions become "fact". So simply using the words "stating fact" is really stating your opinion. I just disagree, nothing personal. I don't have to work the way you do, and you do not have to work the way I do. We will just have to agree to disagree. I will never apologize for a buyer's error. I will never recant those words, I stand by them, and they are solid. My dignity and integrity will never be compromised by a sale, here or elsewhere. 

 

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Sadly; this scenario has to be used as a learning lesson. When a buyer wants a return, simply apologize and gladly accept. Anything more, asking for pictures etc. can only lead to more problems in the end. 


I will apologize if I feel I have done something wrong.  I see no reason to do so otherwise.  Some people apologize for no reason at all, which makes it sound disingenuous, in my opinion.    Trying to decline a return definitely can lead to nothing but trouble, though.

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Everyone makes a profit until they try to scale up. A lot of newbie sellers got into this game vicariously through successful, small volume sales. They got the notion that since they sold 3 of an item and made an x amount of profit, they could sell 21 and make 7 times more. Until they realize that there are only 3 or 4 people willing to pay that price for that item... 

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