07-28-2022 06:27 AM
Over the course of the last 5 days I've had 12 or so offers that were sent out as $25 offers on my end, show up for the buyer as $2 offers. I called eBay and they said they were aware of the problem and opened a ticket. Meanwhile, it's still happening. I just figured out the bug and wanted to share on the boards in case anyone else is having this issue. It's a costly issue and is 100% eBay's problem. Please see the screenshot below. It only happens when using $25 for some reason. When you put in $25 it shows up as $2 on the offer being sent.
I just called eBay and the rep told me they fixed the issue but this was just taken a minute ago so it is not fixed.
07-28-2022 07:42 AM
I'm going to try this as soon as I have an offer available to try it on. Hopefully it works. Ebay software is only doing this to $25 offers on mine so far, every other offer works fine with 2 digits.
07-28-2022 07:54 AM
Ok, so a couple more things have come to light with trial and error. When I type in $25.00, it still will send out the offer as $2. But if I type in $25.01, it will send out an offer of $25.01. So the error is in either the 2 digit $25 or the 4 digit $25.00. Now this doesn't happen for me on any other amount, only the $25.
07-28-2022 11:03 AM - edited 07-28-2022 11:07 AM
@spreadlovelikefire wrote:Ok, so a couple more things have come to light with trial and error. When I type in $25.00, it still will send out the offer as $2. But if I type in $25.01, it will send out an offer of $25.01. So the error is in either the 2 digit $25 or the 4 digit $25.00. Now this doesn't happen for me on any other amount, only the $25.
Great; this is really narrowing things down, and the fact that it's reproducible is especially good.
Do you see the same error with any other 2-decimal all-zero value such as $24.00 or $26.00? I'm wondering whether there's an accidental truncation that's losing the ".00" portion (converting from 2-digit Real to Integer), after which the integer value gets mishandled even further.
I don't know if anyone's reported this over in the Technical Issues area yet, but providing a step-by-step process to reproduce the error, and (especially) showing what values will go wrong vs. what values will remain correct should make debugging this a bit easier.
07-28-2022 11:37 AM
@fern*wood wrote:
@spreadlovelikefire wrote:It's a huge problem. eBay did reimbursed me for the first few that it happened to because I thought it was my fault and sent out the items. Then they told me to just cancel the items from there on out and use the reason as "buyer asked to cancel". I've been sending emails out when it happens but it's just bad business. It makes it look like I'm not holding up my end. I'm so glad I figured it out, I felt I was starting to go mad.
Sounds like everyone needs to immediately stop sending out offers. On top of that, I find it terrible that ebay tells sellers to use the false reason "buyer asked to cancel" when we all know that angers buyers. Ebay needs to have their own reason "ebay error" to take the blame instead of making sellers look dishonest.
We cant even use that for scammers...... we have to wait to wait the full 4 days to cancel a buyer did not pay. Ebay reps said we can't use a false reason for anything. This CAN be held against sellers for abusing the cancel reason.
07-28-2022 11:49 AM
Great debugging work here!
velvet@ebay Can you see that the right department gets this? It is apparently quite reproduceable.
Although I read about this, I did NOT stop sending out offers, as I get a lot of sales from this. I've sent around 100 offers since I first read about the bug & I checked EVERY single one & every one went out correctly, though I use a certain set of digits in the sent portion always, which easily denotes to me that it was an Accepted Offer, so that's likely why all mine worked.
07-28-2022 01:56 PM
I've tried the $24.00, $24, $26.00, $26; they all are populated over correctly. The only one I'm having issues with is $25 and $25.00. I've tried $25.01-$25.09 and they all work fine. I also tried variations of $10-$20 with the decimals and no decimals and the only one I had problems with was $12. That one actually didn't populate anything over so it would give me an error essentially. I tried $12.00 and nothing. $12.01 and it populated over correctly. Such a weird bug but I'm glad I've narrowed this down. I called eBay and asked them if they wanted me to send them over screen shots and they told me "no". They said my ticket is still open, however, they also said that the site bug was fixed. Clearly it isn't.
07-28-2022 02:19 PM
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:
Great debugging work here!
velvet@ebay Can you see that the right department gets this? It is apparently quite reproduceable.
Although I read about this, I did NOT stop sending out offers, as I get a lot of sales from this. I've sent around 100 offers since I first read about the bug & I checked EVERY single one & every one went out correctly, though I use a certain set of digits in the sent portion always, which easily denotes to me that it was an Accepted Offer, so that's likely why all mine worked.
Hi @simply-the-best-for-you! I did find an open ticket for this and have updated the open tech issue post here. That has the info Customer Support needs to add accounts to the report. Please direct people there that you come across experiencing this. Thank you!
07-28-2022 02:36 PM
velvet@ebay Maybe I'm just not familiar with how that system works, but I looked & didn't see the specific info that OP discovered, to recreate the issue. Has that specific info to aid in the re-creation been sent to the tech team? I know the problem has been reported, but why have the techies waste hours trying to recreate, when this OP has figured it out & it would take a lot of trial & error to determine. Maybe this has happened & I just don't understand the system?
07-28-2022 03:05 PM
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:
velvet@ebay Maybe I'm just not familiar with how that system works, but I looked & didn't see the specific info that OP discovered, to recreate the issue. Has that specific info to aid in the re-creation been sent to the tech team? I know the problem has been reported, but why have the techies waste hours trying to recreate, when this OP has figured it out & it would take a lot of trial & error to determine. Maybe this has happened & I just don't understand the system?
Hopefully the members are noting this experience when filing a ticket with Support @simply-the-best-for-you. I'll see if I can reach out to someone internally as well though. I'll let you know if I'm able to find out anything more.
07-28-2022 03:07 PM
I have called several times and have offered to send them my findings and was told they didn't need it. I know for sure I am on the ticket.
07-28-2022 03:12 PM
velvet@ebay wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:velvet@ebay Maybe I'm just not familiar with how that system works, but I looked & didn't see the specific info that OP discovered, to recreate the issue. Has that specific info to aid in the re-creation been sent to the tech team? I know the problem has been reported, but why have the techies waste hours trying to recreate, when this OP has figured it out & it would take a lot of trial & error to determine. Maybe this has happened & I just don't understand the system?
Hopefully the members are noting this experience when filing a ticket with Support @simply-the-best-for-you. I'll see if I can reach out to someone internally as well though. I'll let you know if I'm able to find out anything more.
Ok. Thanks. I guess I can say as a former developer & someone who worked for a huge software company who's products were diagnostic-based, that having someone tell you exactly how to recreate the bug, can say hours/days/weeks of time & also, help point you to the actual problem/bug.
07-28-2022 06:41 PM - edited 07-28-2022 06:42 PM
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:
velvet@ebay wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:velvet@ebay Maybe I'm just not familiar with how that system works, but I looked & didn't see the specific info that OP discovered, to recreate the issue. Has that specific info to aid in the re-creation been sent to the tech team? I know the problem has been reported, but why have the techies waste hours trying to recreate, when this OP has figured it out & it would take a lot of trial & error to determine. Maybe this has happened & I just don't understand the system?
Hopefully the members are noting this experience when filing a ticket with Support @simply-the-best-for-you. I'll see if I can reach out to someone internally as well though. I'll let you know if I'm able to find out anything more.
Ok. Thanks. I guess I can say as a former developer & someone who worked for a huge software company who's products were diagnostic-based, that having someone tell you exactly how to recreate the bug, can say hours/days/weeks of time & also, help point you to the actual problem/bug.
Me too: my last 20 years or so at a major software company you have heard of were spent doing exactly this: troubleshoot the problem, write up a test procedure to reproduce it, and hand it over to Engineering. Our latest problem tracking system was built on Salesforce (the previous one was Remedy), where both Support and Engineering were sharing the same system, handing cases back and forth, tracking releases and so on.
I guess I never appreciated how well that worked until I came to try to apply the same techniques to debugging here, and it's like pulling teeth to even get a case number so you can follow up on it later! We cannot (except on rare occasions) have a direct dialogue with Engineering on how to debug or where the problem appears to be. It's all deeply frustrating if you've been in IT at other companies. It could be so much better here.
07-28-2022 06:55 PM
@a_c_green wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:
velvet@ebay wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:velvet@ebay Maybe I'm just not familiar with how that system works, but I looked & didn't see the specific info that OP discovered, to recreate the issue. Has that specific info to aid in the re-creation been sent to the tech team? I know the problem has been reported, but why have the techies waste hours trying to recreate, when this OP has figured it out & it would take a lot of trial & error to determine. Maybe this has happened & I just don't understand the system?
Hopefully the members are noting this experience when filing a ticket with Support @simply-the-best-for-you. I'll see if I can reach out to someone internally as well though. I'll let you know if I'm able to find out anything more.
Ok. Thanks. I guess I can say as a former developer & someone who worked for a huge software company who's products were diagnostic-based, that having someone tell you exactly how to recreate the bug, can say hours/days/weeks of time & also, help point you to the actual problem/bug.
Me too: my last 20 years or so at a major software company you have heard of were spent doing exactly this: troubleshoot the problem, write up a test procedure to reproduce it, and hand it over to Engineering. Our latest problem tracking system was built on Salesforce (the previous one was Remedy), where both Support and Engineering were sharing the same system, handing cases back and forth, tracking releases and so on.
I guess I never appreciated how well that worked until I came to try to apply the same techniques to debugging here, and it's like pulling teeth to even get a case number so you can follow up on it later! We cannot (except on rare occasions) have a direct dialogue with Engineering on how to debug or where the problem appears to be. It's all deeply frustrating if you've been in IT at other companies. It could be so much better here.
@a_c_green Couldn't have said it any better myself! Having been a developer & Assembler programmer previously, as were many of the people at my company, I had the skill set to work with the clients to recreate problems & I could also call the developers directly. It was so wonderful! Until we got bought out by the big company & had to go through another layer. Luckily I'd already been friends with most of the developers for years ;-), so nobody balked when I called. They knew darn well if I was calling, the problem was real & was advanced.
The other thing was the urgency. We would frequently overnight documents from customer sites to solve a customer problem & I remember a few times even "counter to counter" for dumps which was basically using airlines as a courier. Whole different level of urgency. I'm kinda shocked that eBay would not be jumping all over this, as it could literally save them weeks worth of research.
07-28-2022 07:06 PM
velvet@ebay Oh gawd, I spoke too soon! I am getting the bug too. I just didn't notice it b/c it's only a tiny difference in my case. I was just about to send an offer for $26.92 & it is changed to $26.90. I see the last one I sent for this item was the same 😞 I always make sure to end my offers in the exact same amount, .92 so I can easily look down my SOLD list & see how many came from SENT OFFERS.
So, it is NOT only the $25.00 even. I'll take a screen shot in case anyone wants to see the documentation. I'll go ahead & sent the offer since it's only .02 different from what I intended to send. I had noticed this the other day, but just figured I'd fat-fingered it, since it was so different than the $1 or $2 amounts that others had mentioned.
I have documentation Velvet, if they want it.
07-29-2022 12:25 AM
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:
@a_c_green wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:
velvet@ebay wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:velvet@ebay Maybe I'm just not familiar with how that system works, but I looked & didn't see the specific info that OP discovered, to recreate the issue. Has that specific info to aid in the re-creation been sent to the tech team? I know the problem has been reported, but why have the techies waste hours trying to recreate, when this OP has figured it out & it would take a lot of trial & error to determine. Maybe this has happened & I just don't understand the system?
Hopefully the members are noting this experience when filing a ticket with Support @simply-the-best-for-you. I'll see if I can reach out to someone internally as well though. I'll let you know if I'm able to find out anything more.
Ok. Thanks. I guess I can say as a former developer & someone who worked for a huge software company who's products were diagnostic-based, that having someone tell you exactly how to recreate the bug, can say hours/days/weeks of time & also, help point you to the actual problem/bug.
Me too: my last 20 years or so at a major software company you have heard of were spent doing exactly this: troubleshoot the problem, write up a test procedure to reproduce it, and hand it over to Engineering. Our latest problem tracking system was built on Salesforce (the previous one was Remedy), where both Support and Engineering were sharing the same system, handing cases back and forth, tracking releases and so on.
I guess I never appreciated how well that worked until I came to try to apply the same techniques to debugging here, and it's like pulling teeth to even get a case number so you can follow up on it later! We cannot (except on rare occasions) have a direct dialogue with Engineering on how to debug or where the problem appears to be. It's all deeply frustrating if you've been in IT at other companies. It could be so much better here.
@a_c_green Couldn't have said it any better myself! Having been a developer & Assembler programmer previously, as were many of the people at my company, I had the skill set to work with the clients to recreate problems & I could also call the developers directly. It was so wonderful! Until we got bought out by the big company & had to go through another layer. Luckily I'd already been friends with most of the developers for years ;-), so nobody balked when I called. They knew darn well if I was calling, the problem was real & was advanced.
The other thing was the urgency. We would frequently overnight documents from customer sites to solve a customer problem & I remember a few times even "counter to counter" for dumps which was basically using airlines as a courier. Whole different level of urgency. I'm kinda shocked that eBay would not be jumping all over this, as it could literally save them weeks worth of research.
Ebay makes money glitches that are never reported. HUSH HUSH