05-03-2019 09:33 AM - edited 05-03-2019 09:36 AM
If a seller cancels for out of stock (aka didn't get enough $ for auction in this case), buyers should not have to wait 7 days to be able to leave a neutral or negative.
I might have left a neutral, but now that I have to stew about it for a week, she'll probably get a well deserved negative.
I bid 2x on this auction just in case I wouldn't be online when it ended, but I was online and paid right away. I really wanted these items.
If ANY seller cancels for out of stock, buyers should be able to post negative feedback without having to wait 7 days.
Am I off base on this? Why make the buyer wait?
05-03-2019 12:52 PM
What an awesome community thread. Not as good as Twitter but still awesome.
05-03-2019 12:52 PM
@holidayshopper201 wrote:
@holidayshopper201 wrote:
@vintagequeennyc wrote:Wow. You come across as vindictive and petty. People make mistakes. Just because a seller only has a ‘few dozen items’ listed doesn’t mean they’re trying to scam you. You have no idea what other responsibilities this person has in their life or what they may have going on that caused them to space out and not realize they no longer had this item.
Buyers like you are what’s making eBay unbearable for sellers. I’ve ordered online from major retailers and had my order cancelled after I paid because an item was out of stock. IT HAPPENS. You’d have no option to leave those businesses ‘negative’ feedback but here you wield it as a weapon of destruction and pettiness. It’s that mentality among buyers that festers here and has become an infection.
Seriously. Just get over it. I am sure that if you had made the same mistake as the seller you would hope for some level of gracefulness from the buyer. At the end of the day, it’s just STUFF. You didn’t lose any money. Maybe you were inconvenienced a little but certainly not worth this level of vitriol.
I think you're wrong. I'm one of the most easy going buyers (and sellers) you'd ever come across.
Communication is part of the transaction. Good customer service always ends with positive feedback from me even if the transaction has gone awry for whatever reason. The feedback I've left reflects that fact. And star dinging back when that was a thing? Never. I leave five stars or none at all.
I've actually told sellers to process cancellations as "buyer requested" when they messaged me ahead of time. It has happened a few times, and I've left them glowing positive feedback. Yes, we're all human. But there's that whole communication thing this time.
That said, personally, I would make an effort to communicate with the buyer before refunding. As a seller, I take my cues from my own buyer expectations. But I sure don't look at a negative as the end of the world, or as you said, "a weapon of destruction."
I think you're wrong. I'm one of the most easy going buyers (and sellers) you'd ever come across.
Communication is part of the transaction. Good customer service always ends with positive feedback from me even if the transaction has gone awry for whatever reason. The feedback I've left reflects that fact. And star dinging back when that was a thing? Never. I leave five stars or none at all.
I've actually told sellers to process cancellations as "buyer requested" when they messaged me ahead of time. It has happened a few times, and I've left them glowing positive feedback. Yes, we're all human. But there's that whole communication thing this time.
That said, personally, I would make an effort to communicate with the buyer before refunding. As a seller, I take my cues from my own buyer expectations. But I sure don't look at a negative as the end of the world, or as you said, "a weapon of destruction."
But you said in an earlier message she DID send you a message before canceling and refunding. So which is it? Maybe she wasn’t super apologetic or groveling in her message, but she did send you one. She communicated with you. So really where’s the harm here? Honestly just not seeing it.
This whole ‘out of stock’ thing is WAY overemphasized and punished on eBay when it is a VERY regular occurrence at EVERY major online retailer. I shop on the Big A a lot and this has happened to me multiple times in the past month. I got a computer generated message and a refund. That’s it. Why do you expect the seller to do more than that? Because they’re running a small home side hustle? You hold them to a different and higher standard than the major retailers? Does The Big A need to send me a hand written apology note when I pay for an item that’s out of stock?? NO. It’s just ridiculous. We’re all adults here. Life goes on. There are WAY more important issues to be focusing on. And maybe the seller had other pressing issues and at least had the courtesy to send you a message at all. Maybe they’re in the middle of moving. Maybe they have a sick parent. Maybe they have five kids. I would think, if anything, you would hold them to a more forgiving standard than a major retailer.
I think this whole ‘out of stock’ issue is so overblown here and should only be a issue with the big box sellers who are the biggest culprits and cancel orders very frequently. I’m talking about the sellers with 20k+ listings with one stock photo who have items listed that they don’t have in stock and are constantly canceling. These are the sellers who give eBay a bad name yet are the only ones eBay protects. The stay at home or working mother selling a few things for extra cash and misplaced one is not the enemy here and not the ones ruining this site.
05-03-2019 12:58 PM
@my_boston_baked_beans wrote:So...if you were able to leave a nice, nasty, negative immediately would we be having this conversation?
Therefore, is the crux of your problem, the fact your can't neg this buyer immediately?
You sound more concerned about leaving a negative than 'your' ability to resolve differences with your buyer? Have you tried to communicate with your buyer as apposed to this board?
You might get more headway with sugar than salt in the wound!
It wouldn't be a nasty feedback. It would be an honest feedback.
No. The crux of my problem is poor communication.
Why should the buyer message the seller for attention in order for the seller to earn positive feedback? Seems backwards.
05-03-2019 01:01 PM
@holidayshopper201 wrote:
@fern*wood wrote:As far as giving feedback like that to rate a seller, I feel a neg/neutral for this happening is warranted far more than some reasons like an item arriving late...
Did they use the proper reason (out of stock) to cancel the transaction?
I've never negged for arriving late. I've never dinged a single shipping star (or any star) for that matter. For as much buying as I do, I've left very few non-positives over 22 years.
I assume it was out of stock because I wasn't asked to agree to anything. Is there a way to tell from the buyer's side?
I included that snippet about late shipments for the benefit of other posters in this thread that have posted about doing just that. I wasn't meaning to make it sound like you did that.
To the posters feeling you need to have more communications with this seller to work it out--it doesn't sound like the seller has any leeway to work it out. They flat out said it was sold elsewhere, so how can they back out of that to make it right?
Feedback is supposed to rate the seller after the transaction is over and it sounds over to me. It doesn't sound like the seller was trying to work it out. The 7 day delay is what it is, but probably won't change anything with this one.
I guess I assumed the cancellation would show the reason used, but I'm not certain.
05-03-2019 01:02 PM
@reallynicestamps wrote:Most Unpaid Item Disputes seem to be for Auctions. Another reason why the format is dying here and across all online site.
Feedback does not affect eBay's assessment of the seller's account.
The delay is a perk for powersellers, giving both buyer and seller enough time to work out the problem.
Many sellers post items to multiple sites, and it is definitely a job to keep all the accounts straight when an item sells on one and has to be removed from the others promptly.
And if the seller makes no effort to work out the problem, do you feel a negative can be warranted? If the delay is a perk, they should take advantage of it.
05-03-2019 01:18 PM
@vintagequeennyc wrote:But you said in an earlier message she DID send you a message before canceling and refunding. So which is it? Maybe she wasn’t super apologetic or groveling in her message, but she did send you one. She communicated with you. So really where’s the harm here? Honestly just not seeing it.
This whole ‘out of stock’ thing is WAY overemphasized and punished on eBay when it is a VERY regular occurrence at EVERY major online retailer. I shop on the Big A a lot and this has happened to me multiple times in the past month. I got a computer generated message and a refund. That’s it. Why do you expect the seller to do more than that? Because they’re running a small home side hustle? You hold them to a different and higher standard than the major retailers? Does The Big A need to send me a hand written apology note when I pay for an item that’s out of stock?? NO. It’s just ridiculous. We’re all adults here. Life goes on. There are WAY more important issues to be focusing on. And maybe the seller had other pressing issues and at least had the courtesy to send you a message at all. Maybe they’re in the middle of moving. Maybe they have a sick parent. Maybe they have five kids. I would think, if anything, you would hold them to a more forgiving standard than a major retailer.
I think this whole ‘out of stock’ issue is so overblown here and should only be a issue with the big box sellers who are the biggest culprits and cancel orders very frequently. I’m talking about the sellers with 20k+ listings with one stock photo who have items listed that they don’t have in stock and are constantly canceling. These are the sellers who give eBay a bad name yet are the only ones eBay protects. The stay at home or working mother selling a few things for extra cash and misplaced one is not the enemy here and not the ones ruining this site.
First, comparing eBay to Amazon or big box retailers is like comparing apples to hammers. It's true that I may hold eBay sellers to different standards than say Kohl's, but these are the standards to which we all agreed when we signed up on eBay. They are entirely different platforms with different buyer expectations.
Good customer service: I'm sorry I can't find your widgets. I might have sold them at my garage sale. Is there something else in my store which may interest you? (for example)
Bad customer service: I sold your widgets at my garage sale. Sorry. *no effort to head off an unhappy buyer*
Yes, she communicated, but not very effectively.
05-03-2019 01:34 PM
@holidayshopper201 wrote:
@vintagequeennyc wrote:But you said in an earlier message she DID send you a message before canceling and refunding. So which is it? Maybe she wasn’t super apologetic or groveling in her message, but she did send you one. She communicated with you. So really where’s the harm here? Honestly just not seeing it.
This whole ‘out of stock’ thing is WAY overemphasized and punished on eBay when it is a VERY regular occurrence at EVERY major online retailer. I shop on the Big A a lot and this has happened to me multiple times in the past month. I got a computer generated message and a refund. That’s it. Why do you expect the seller to do more than that? Because they’re running a small home side hustle? You hold them to a different and higher standard than the major retailers? Does The Big A need to send me a hand written apology note when I pay for an item that’s out of stock?? NO. It’s just ridiculous. We’re all adults here. Life goes on. There are WAY more important issues to be focusing on. And maybe the seller had other pressing issues and at least had the courtesy to send you a message at all. Maybe they’re in the middle of moving. Maybe they have a sick parent. Maybe they have five kids. I would think, if anything, you would hold them to a more forgiving standard than a major retailer.
I think this whole ‘out of stock’ issue is so overblown here and should only be a issue with the big box sellers who are the biggest culprits and cancel orders very frequently. I’m talking about the sellers with 20k+ listings with one stock photo who have items listed that they don’t have in stock and are constantly canceling. These are the sellers who give eBay a bad name yet are the only ones eBay protects. The stay at home or working mother selling a few things for extra cash and misplaced one is not the enemy here and not the ones ruining this site.
First, comparing eBay to Amazon or big box retailers is like comparing apples to hammers. It's true that I may hold eBay sellers to different standards than say Kohl's, but these are the standards to which we all agreed when we signed up on eBay. They are entirely different platforms with different buyer expectations.
Good customer service: I'm sorry I can't find your widgets. I might have sold them at my garage sale. Is there something else in my store which may interest you? (for example)
Bad customer service: I sold your widgets at my garage sale. Sorry. *no effort to head off an unhappy buyer*
Yes, she communicated, but not very effectively.
NO. I disagree. These are the standards eBay has brainwashed users to expect with no consideration to the much hyped ‘retail standards’ they so love to tout. This standard is not the norm. Yet you and many others have fallen prey to that way of thinking. Just because eBay tells you how to feel doesn’t mean you need to feel that way, or that a discerning person wouldn’t recognize the double standard in how they’re ‘supposed’ to feel about a cancelled transaction.
I think the fact that you hold an eBay seller to a different standard than Kohl’s because eBay ‘told you to’ is a blind, mob mentality. It makes me sad to see that you, as a seller yourself are so unforgiving towards the mistakes of another. And all because her message wasn’t more wordy in apologies? Some people just naturally communicate in a more concise quick manner.
If you treat an eBay seller more harshly than you would a major retailer, that’s a problem. eBay Sellers are held to a very high and very harsh standard that is very far outside the industry norm. I’m honestly surprised that as a seller, you don’t see the many injustices in this or how eBay has created an environment of monster buyers with an absurd sense of entitlement. I sell on several other platforms and this is the only one where I have experienced a large amount of nasty, rude, entitled, buyers. It’s no wonder why that is. eBay has trained this generation of buyers to behave like attack dogs.
05-03-2019 01:36 PM - edited 05-03-2019 01:38 PM
Yes, ebay pestering isn't overly helpful - for feedback or anything else, no matter what they say or think.
I guess it boils down to 'ya gotta do what ya gotta do' and only you can tell if it is the thing to do or not.
I sure wish my memory were as good as everybody else thinks it should be!
05-03-2019 01:37 PM
holidayshopper201: This is the seller board. I dare you come on here talking bad about a SELLER! LOL Just kidding. But seriously, you have to be prepared to take a little backlash. Don't let it get to you. You should have seen what i went through just to buy a few marbles! Have a great weekend!
05-03-2019 01:46 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Customer service is key.
I trust you would have handled things differently than my seller. If not, maybe this thread can offer you a perspective from the buyer's side to help you earn that positive next time you screw up.
05-03-2019 01:49 PM
By the way, I don't necessarily think you are wrong in your conclusion.
05-03-2019 01:54 PM
@holidayshopper201 wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree. Customer service is key.
I trust you would have handled things differently than my seller. If not, maybe this thread can offer you a perspective from the buyer's side to help you earn that positive next time you screw up.
Not THE buyer’s perspective. Only your perspective. I think most buyers would have moved on and let it go. Maybe this thread can offer you perspective that not all people take cancelled orders as a grave injustice deserving of a negative or an entire thread dedicated to that perceived slight. The vast majority of sellers here are good people who sometimes make a mistake, like we all do in every day life. Perhaps in the future you should give that part some thought during your 7 day cooling off period. It costs nothing to forgive.
05-03-2019 01:54 PM
@inhawaii wrote:holidayshopper201: This is the seller board. I dare you come on here talking bad about a SELLER! LOL Just kidding. But seriously, you have to be prepared to take a little backlash. Don't let it get to you. You should have seen what i went through just to buy a few marbles! Have a great weekend!
After so many years on the boards, I have a pretty thick skin. While I'm normally a lurker, this is the board I usually frequent. I didn't consider posting anywhere else.
It's actually enlightening to read differing opinions. I didn't expect everyone to agree with me. Since I'm not as jaded as many other sellers, this helps me to see things from their perspective.
05-03-2019 02:08 PM
@vintagequeennyc wrote:
@holidayshopper201 wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree. Customer service is key.
I trust you would have handled things differently than my seller. If not, maybe this thread can offer you a perspective from the buyer's side to help you earn that positive next time you screw up.
Not THE buyer’s perspective. Only your perspective. I think most buyers would have moved on and let it go. Maybe this thread can offer you perspective that not all people take cancelled orders as a grave injustice deserving of a negative or an entire thread dedicated to that perceived slight. The vast majority of sellers here are good people who sometimes make a mistake, like we all do in every day life. Perhaps in the future you should give that part some thought during your 7 day cooling off period. It costs nothing to forgive.
Based on the posts from sellers unhappy over feedback they've received, many buyers aren't simply moving on when a transaction goes south. It's not just MY perspective. As a seller, there are ways to mitigate damage when you've made an error. We're all human.
05-03-2019 02:09 PM
What is the real problem; the fact that the seller was out of merchandise, and refunded you right away , or the fact that the seller did not respond exactly how you wanted them to in the manner you expected them to by your rules ?
The seller made a mistake, refunded your money, and probably apologized .
Why are you going for the seller's jugular? What more could they have done in a bad situation!
Am I missing something so detrimental ? Before you bid ask viable questions that will head off future issues.
Time to move forward!