07-06-2018 09:17 PM
Being very suspicious of eBay's recent view-counter issues, I asked a friend of mine to check whether my listings are visible to me on my computer, but not on the computers of others. He checked and sure enough, none of my 4 current listings appeared in the search results.
Just what kind of scam is eBay pulling??? This is downright fraud -- charging a listing fee and then blocking the listings so that potential buyers cannot see them.
Is it time for a class-action lawsuit against the eBay con game??? Check your listings in this way and see if yours are also being similarly blocked, and if so, please post a reply confirming this ongoing scam.
07-06-2018 11:49 PM
I don't care about the skepticism. I am not interested in polling to see how many of you forum responders see my listings. I am interested in knowing if any others are experiencing (or have experienced in the past) this same issue of restricted visibility of their listings. IMHO it should not be eBay's decision who gets to see which listings. Visibility of listings should be consistent for all viewers, and the Item Condition options that are presented should also be consistent for all viewers -- not random or erratic.
07-06-2018 11:53 PM
I honestly don't know what the heck you're talking about.
I am not asking or demanding that eBay taylor (sic) anything to suit me. I am asking that eBay stop deciding who can see my listings and who cannot -- if that's what's going on here (see the reference to the UA mentioned earlier that "justifies" this absurd and unfair practice).
07-07-2018 12:01 AM
Re: "If you post the item numbers and the specific search criteria that your friend expected to find them with, we would be happy to check and report the results. If not, I suspect you will encounter mostly skepticism. "
I already did that, except for the item numbers. How is someone supposed to know what item numbers to search for before they even do the search? One doesn't see item numbers until one clicks on a particular item in the Search results to see the listing. If the listing does not appear in their Search results when they do exactly the same search that I did, with exactly the same search criteria, then eBay is somehow limiting the results to exclude my listings -- at least for the one individual who didn't see them, i.e., my friend. I just wonder if there are many others who also don't see my listings when using the same search criteria -- and if so, then I could be losing sales. This is NOT acceptable, no matter what the diehard fanpeople have to say about it.
07-07-2018 01:35 AM
@1avid_collector wrote:The search phrase that I use and that my friend used was: IBM "Model M" keyboard. The searches were done in All Categories, and the Condition specified for the searches was "New". The Location was specified as "North America". The Buying Format was specified as "All Listings". These delimiters were the only ones used for the searches. There should be 17 listings in the Search results, of which 4 are my listings.
Using those EXACT parameters I easily found all 4 listings.
You asked about similar experiences for other sellers, I personally have NEVER experienced listings of mine not being easily found in search, some are buried deep in Best Match but they are always there.
07-07-2018 06:43 AM
@1avid_collector wrote:To all who have reported seeing my listings, thank you.
But if eBay has the right to restrict the visibility of listings so that some viewers can see them and others cannot, (per the UA) how exactly does that help sellers or potential buyers?
And how exactly does “To drive a positive user experience, a listing may not appear in some search and browse results regardless of the sort order chosen by the buyer” drive a positive user experience?
And as far as class action suits are concerned, non-members are free to sue eBay without being bound by the UA.
I don't care what the fanboys and fangirls have to say about this subject, the fact that eBay can do this and get away with it (regardless of the UA) is absolutely incomprehensible and indefensible. Period.
Fangirl who read ebay's rules before deciding to sell here. And if they state it in the rules, and you do not like it you are free to sell elsewhere. Just like ebay is free to decide how to run their site.
If I am looking for a wedding band, I do not want 50,000 items to come up, especially the thousands of duplicates from the drop shippers. So ebay removes them from my search making it a little easier to find what I am looking for. Who wants to search thousands of pages of duplicates - not me.
07-07-2018 06:57 AM
like others, I can find your listings........... as far as why give item #'s............more than once sellers have come here with your complaints, named the item.......and none of us could find it.......... because the seller misspelled the item either in the title or in the info given to us..........
07-07-2018 07:00 AM
Just like the last guy when I asked him to give a specific item he could not find, he disappeared.
Beginning to think some of these I cannot find my listings are just people trying to advertise them. I said some, not all.
07-07-2018 07:47 AM
@dhbookds wrote:like others, I can find your listings........... as far as why give item #'s............more than once sellers have come here with your complaints, named the item.......and none of us could find it.......... because the seller misspelled the item either in the title or in the info given to us..........
OP,
And just to amplify on what was psoted above ...
Your complaint is fairly regular one here. But when we ask for the specifics - the search criteria and the item number expected - 99% of the time the seller is mistaken or it can be explained by a known quirk of the eBay search algorithm.
As for eBay user agreement saying they may hide your items, that is true. There are a number of occasions where they do this, but I do not beleive is done for nefarious purposes. IMHO the wording is there to provide cover for a few well-known reasons (and little known reasons) that listings are ommitted.
Even if there there are cases where eBay is hiding listings from some buyers and not others, the assumption that this is nefarious or fraudulent would be mere speculation. Let me give a purely hypothetical example:
One of the complains on this board is from sellers who wish that they could prevent 'bad' buyers from coming back and buying from them again. I can imagine a scenario where eBay uses buyer history to decide whether to hide an item from a buyer in order to protect the seller.
Imagine a buyer of vinyl records who has is much more likely to records that are listed in Very Good condition, but rarely returns records in Near Mint or New condition. What if eBay had a system that recognized this buyer's behavior, and tailored the search results to steer the buyer toward items that he would be less likely to return?
Again, this is hypothetical and I am not saying eBay that eBay is doing this. But if they were, IMHO this would not be a nefarious or fraudulent or evil reason - it would be done it an attempt to make the marketplace better and reduce returns.
07-07-2018 01:45 PM
None of what you said applies in this case, but thanks for your input.
07-07-2018 01:47 PM
@emerald40 wrote:Just like the last guy when I asked him to give a specific item he could not find, he disappeared.
Beginning to think some of these I cannot find my listings are just people trying to advertise them. I said some, not all.
Not applicable here -- I certainly don't need to "advertise" in that manner.
07-07-2018 01:54 PM
Thanks for your extensive input, but after thorough analysis I don't think any of your possible explanations fits this case. All 4 of my listings had been running on eBay long enough to be indexed and I still don't understand why my friend was presented with several more Item Condition options than I am when doing the exact same search with the same identical parameters. It turns out that the Item Condition explanation ("New" vs. "New other") is the only one that fits this case. When I search for "New" I get results that include "New other" while he did not. Weird.
07-07-2018 01:56 PM
Not helpful to point out that eBay can be so inconsistent as to potentially hurt the sales of its members, and that the UA makes this OK.
07-07-2018 01:58 PM
I shipped 27 packages today. I don't think my listings are hidden.
07-07-2018 02:01 PM
Thanks for your input. In this case, when I found 17 results (including my 4 listings) my friend only found 8 results (which did not include my listings). Nothing was "buried". All 4 had been running long enough (most recent one, more than 24 hours) that all should have been "indexed" and available for viewing. I certainly don't mind if for some obscure reason, only a few cannot see my listings. What worries me is that far more than a few may not be seeing them.
07-07-2018 02:05 PM
@emerald40 wrote:If I am looking for a wedding band, I do not want 50,000 items to come up, especially the thousands of duplicates from the drop shippers. So ebay removes them from my search making it a little easier to find what I am looking for. Who wants to search thousands of pages of duplicates - not me.
Well, that's what the search parameters to the left of the listing are for. I don't want eBay deciding on its own what a given viewer will see and what they will not see. Censoring the results should be up to the viewer, not eBay IMHO.
I know eBay reserves the right to impose policies that some of us feel are unfair -- and in many cases that I've read about, they are often EXTREMELY unfair. But that makes it neither right nor acceptable to me. Just wish there was an alternative to eBay that had all of its good points and far fewer of its bad points.