07-04-2018 11:13 AM
So because our sales have been 35% of usual since the stupid 14 day sale rule went into effect, we adjusted all of our prices down yesterday. I knew it wouldnt do much but didnt want to sit on my hands. We were losing 2/3 of our sales so why would I?
I wake up to see a paragraph post by ebay saying vaguely that we can put our items on sale if the prices havent been changed. I put my entore 4900+item store on sale and 17 freakin items.
So now I have to wait 14 days to run a sale for being proactive..
Happy to have it back if thats what its really saying but, the fact that we cant change our prices is still dosconcerting. I spent 2 hours on the phone yesterday trying to solve all kinds of problems including being opted out of my store subscription without my knowledge when I was given a credit for issues last year. That credit last year, I had to call to get the entire credit a month later, then 8 months later find out they unenrolled me by giving me that credit. I get credited for that mistake yet have to re-enroll instead of continuing on the timeline I already opted into. Thats how a problem gets fixed.
To find out I can put my store on sale as long as I wasnt proactive and spent time yesterday adjusting prices is just another kick in the face. That means I get to sit and wait two weeks with low sales because of some poorly made change and a poorly "rolled out" resolution for that change.
Happy 4th ebay!
07-04-2018 11:25 AM
Yes that is how I understood it, I just asked ebay Brian about this on another thread.
I think we did the same thing, and I think many other sellers did as well.
A few days ago, after I realized all of the changes with MM, I lowered the prices on all of my items. I did this to try and compensate for the loss of MM over the holiday. However I attempted to put them on sale again today, since there is a new update with MM, but no items were included in the sale.
Brian did confirm this change. We cannot change the price in any way (up or down) for 14 days or the item cannot be included in the sale.
07-04-2018 11:33 AM
Markdown manager is being glitchy.
I have MANY items that have been up for 14 days that I have not edited in any way shape or form that still got skipped.
Some items did get skipped because I edited the description or photo. They say items can be added if price hasn't been edited, yet this goes for editing pictures / price and it's ridiculous to have the 14 day timer reset if we so much as edit the description or make our photos look better.
I'm glad it's a positive change but it's still glitchy beyond belief.
07-04-2018 11:52 AM - edited 07-04-2018 11:53 AM
I'm sure a lot of serious sellers who have been using mm for a decade, just changed their prices like I did. Now I want my prices back to what they were with my markdowns at what they were as were growing like crazy even with all the "glitches", bad decision making, and people not finding our store.
I was cool as a cucumber yesterday during a 2 hour phone call and through all of these problems but, to see that Im still being punished for being proactuve is just nuts. Its such an abusive relationship. Im a new old stock/ vintage collectable seller. Changing prices needs to happen. This catalog/amazon competition is going to dry up all of the unique business here. They really need to treat the 2 sectors different as we operate differntly. We do not compete to the bottom on price as we have stuff people really want and noone else has.
I will try and end some listings and see if they can be put on sale but Im guessing that extremely stupid rule is in effect still.
We relist or sell other item for 75% of our items meaning we'll be stuck in the middle once again of waiting 14 days.
This is by far the least thought out change ebay has made to date. If we lose $1000 a day, ebay loses 90, were 1 seller, multiply that.
07-04-2018 12:21 PM
And apparently new items still have to wait. Just walk back the entire rule, not part of it as its going to cost us all money and the frustrations are piling up for sellers. It may have made sense on paper but not in practice.
We are supposed to be business partners and the best part of the business relationship is getting hammered by the changes made to the commodity type of stuff that all of the competitors sell. You can still build a catalog and compete with amazon and walmart but the big chunk that makes ebay different is drying up. Then your left with a price match clone. Ebay rolls out 110% price match, amazon and walmart will take losses to combat that. I bet you a million bucks it wont work.
The last week has been no sales and complete chaos with the amount of things wrong. Some of us will not ship 1000 packages a day with sub $1 profit. Its more like surgically selling, having items that others dont, and having a quality business vs a quantity business. Both are needed, both can exist but not without ebay acknowledging that whats left of their collectible & vintage sellers are important and some of the best and cant be shoved in the same hole as quantity tshirt sellers (no offense). Amazon does not have us at this point. If a seller does 500k a year and has a slightly different business model, why discourage that. Its honest hard working and unique. You can work around it for the millions in revenue over the years. Creat a VP of cool sellers.
07-04-2018 02:40 PM
07-04-2018 06:54 PM
So sorry to hear of your plight, that is why I waited before doing that, because I knew this couldnt last with how much loss was being reported across the board.
I'm glad to see they are finally listening to the sellers, or perhaps it was the massive loss of sales/revenue that did the convincing for them. My guess is it would be the latter, but who knows. What it does do is validate the concerns of the many many sellers affected, and maybe they will listen to the sellers more in the future.
**I propose a committee of sellers who would act as kind of a union.
When I signed in this eve and saw my items were back on sale again, I was very happy.
AAAAND GUESS WHAT??
3 SALES TODAY SINCE REINSTATEMENT!!!
....let us rejoice
07-04-2018 08:46 PM - edited 07-04-2018 08:46 PM
Sellers MUST form a union. It's the only was to be heard and force the management to treat its PAYING CUSTOMERS (sellers) with respect they deserve. Sellers are being so restricted in what, when, and how they are allowed to sell that they look much more like eBay slaves that are rewarded for their "good" behavior and punished for "bad" one. This is how slaves (or employees) are usually treated, not PAYING CUSTOMERS.
07-05-2018 05:52 AM
I lowered my prices right after I found out about the changes with markdown manager. As you can see by the graph, lowering the prices didn't have the same effect as placing my items on sale. Like many other sellers who lowered their prices, I now have to wait to benefit from the partial return of the freedom of the markdown...
07-05-2018 05:58 AM
Just found out this morning after adjusting all my prices Tuesday......Going to be a slow roll into the third quarter....
07-05-2018 06:19 AM
Hello everyone....a couple of days ago, I, too, had been having trouble launching a %-off promotion, as I had done many times in the past, and when I couldn't get it done after about 6 or 8 tries, I finally called eBay Support (which took waiting nearly an hour for a call-back), and, after what ended up being a FORTY MINUTE discussion with the representative, I ended up just as frustrated as everyone else, who has been posting on here.
Ultimately, the representative DID confirm that this new 14-day ruling had recently been implemented, and there just seems to be NO way to get around it;...she said, "you'll just HAVE to wait the required 14 days, before you can put items on a promotional sale", and there seems to be NO way around it, that she could see.
To which, I said, "well, what about those sellers who relist their items often, like, every three to five days? Or, even 10 days? While they're waiting for the 14 days to elapse, what happens when they relist a few days later, does the 14-day-count start over??" And, she said, "yes, the count WOULD start over, at that point"....which I think is friggin' ridiculous!
I pointed out, and tried to explain that, if we typically relist items for anything less than 15 or 30 days' duration (for most of OUR items, we typically relist every THREE days; occasionally, five days), there is NO way that we could EVER meet the 14-day requirement, so we would NEVER be able to use the Markdown Manager ever again, and I think that's kind of like a discrimination of sorts, against those sellers who have these shorter-duration listings like us, while favoring sellers with the 30-day or 'Good Til Canceled' listings.
Sure, the 14-day rule might work out perfectly FINE, for those sellers whose listings have a longer, 30-day duration, OR those sellers whose listings don't seem to have ANY end-date, but, what about the other sellers like us (of which, I'd bet that most sellers are like us), who choose to relist every 3, 5, or even 10 days, to keep their listings as current as possible? Will we NEVER be able to run promotional sales, ever again?!
Of course, she then suggested that we could simply lower all of our prices, to "more-or-less" equal the %-off special we were going to run, but, I see a HUGE problem, with that...I just don't think a potential buyer, when they view your latest listing for an item, and the newly-lowered price that you're now asking for the item, THEY'RE not going to know that you did, INDEED, lower the price...no, they'll just assume that it was ALWAYS that price!
HOWEVER, if they happen to view your item, and see that the original price has been marked-through, reflecting a new, lowered price, AND that there is the notation, "10% off!" (or, whatever your discounted, %-off special pricing happens to be), then I think that buyers would be MUCH more likely to buy the item, then, when they see that the item is currently at a newly-discounted price, and for a short time only....don't you guys agree?
Anyway, eBay;...please, PLEASE change the Markdown Manager back to the way it was;...if we can never use it again for promotuional sales, because we can never meet the 14-day requirement, then that's just yet ANOTHER reason to finally get out of the eBay-bizz, after doing this stuff for over 18 years, as we have...
...Not to mention, the issue of eBay's penchant for taking not ONLY 10% of an item's sale price in a Final Value fee, but, ALSO keeping 10% of the shipping collected, too...WHY do they do that? Exactly WHO benefits from that, except eBay, trying to make themselves richer, at our expense? The BUYER certainly doesn't know that we always lose money, every single time we ship a package, because of the ridiculous 10% surcharge on the shipping!
Thanks,
earthangel57
07-05-2018 07:22 AM
I cannot understand the logic in not allowing a sale for 14-days if you LOWERED the listing price of the item. I think what they are trying to stop is the seller who RAISES the price only to put it on sale. What buyer would object to us lowering the listing price, then putting it on sale a few days later?
07-05-2018 08:03 AM
@pb*bikes wrote:So because our sales have been 35% of usual since the stupid 14 day sale rule went into effect, we adjusted all of our prices down yesterday. I knew it wouldnt do much but didnt want to sit on my hands. We were losing 2/3 of our sales so why would I?
I wake up to see a paragraph post by ebay saying vaguely that we can put our items on sale if the prices havent been changed. I put my entore 4900+item store on sale and 17 freakin items.
So now I have to wait 14 days to run a sale for being proactive..
Happy to have it back if thats what its really saying but, the fact that we cant change our prices is still dosconcerting. I spent 2 hours on the phone yesterday trying to solve all kinds of problems including being opted out of my store subscription without my knowledge when I was given a credit for issues last year. That credit last year, I had to call to get the entire credit a month later, then 8 months later find out they unenrolled me by giving me that credit. I get credited for that mistake yet have to re-enroll instead of continuing on the timeline I already opted into. Thats how a problem gets fixed.
To find out I can put my store on sale as long as I wasnt proactive and spent time yesterday adjusting prices is just another kick in the face. That means I get to sit and wait two weeks with low sales because of some poorly made change and a poorly "rolled out" resolution for that change.
Happy 4th ebay!
pb, I have the same exact issue as you have. I probably should have left things alone last week after the MM update on 6/25. Like you, I never used my sales as manipulative pricing tactics. My sales would never exceed 25% and I would go that high on sun visors and ECU's since I had a whole new batch of inventory coming in to clear out as much as possible. Every week I'd run a sale and depending on the inventory on hand and what I needed to sell, I'd do sales from 15% and upward, never exceeding that 25%. Last week I started adjusting my prices due to this change, and in the ebay motors > parts and accessories category there is no MSRP on used items. You are at the mercy of the pricing as the market dictates.
After a nice 4th of July outing with family, I come home to find out that eBay has decided to change this MM yet again. Now since we updated some of our prices, this **bleep** counter starts all over again. We updated the prices to reflect the first change, yet if we knew about the second change, there would have been no reason to. I call eBay Anchor store support and speak with Julianna. Her and I never see eye to eye on ebay changes since I get her quite often, but for once, she actually felt very sorry for me with these changes. Their support has been getting slammed over this. I asked her if there is something that their support can do to even rollback my listings that have been affected? IT doesn't seem to be possible. While my sales have been okay, they are not where they should be as I have been selling really well since the beginning of the year until this change was made.
Overall, wouldn't the proper solution have been to not allow people in certain categories to exceed XX% on sales the first 14 days? Then after the 14 days, you can increase your MM% another 10% if need be? Even take it one step further and reach out to those that are abusing the system? I have competitors that will take the same items I sell, let's say a window switch for $50 and they will mark it up to $100 with a 50-60% off sale. Now that to me is total manipulation. It goes back to the one size fits all model that ebay has. It just doesn't work for everyone.
I sit here and feel like there is no end in sight with all these changes and now my business is taking a toll for it. Certain people may come in here that don't even sell to sound off, and you know who you are, but this kind of change was not properly thought through.
eBay open this year is going to be a nightmare for the ebay team, they will have a whole host of unhappy people to deal with there.
07-05-2018 08:22 AM
Well, I just relisted items that ended, didn't change their price, did the revamped markdown and nothing changed. I too had been changing prices to reflect previous markdown sale prices, but thought the revamp was easy to understand. I'm confused. Ebay, for goodness sakes, do the right thing and go back to the way it was and worked so well. It is up to the customer to shop around and compare prices. I do not raise prices and then put on a sale. My initial pricing is based on my researching previous items and what they are trying to sell or have sold (Goodness I shopped around! Imagine that!) and I then set my price for an initial 20% off 5-10 days after listing. Then when they are still available after their 30 day run, I go to 45 to 49% off, and sometimes during the relisting, lowering the initial price before doing so. Y'all try to keep on smilin'!
07-05-2018 09:40 AM