04-22-2023 05:52 AM
What % do you lose on your sales? Including S/H, my sale was just shy of $32. Fees came to just shy of $8. A 25% loss! So much for the 13% charge we incur. Complete lose of the exchange rate for me. Anyone see a higher fee structure in their sales? Glad I do a lot more with in-person cash sales! I keep it all. 🙂 Good luck to all.
04-22-2023 07:34 PM
@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:Most FVFs are now 13.25% on ebay, so I'll use that for my examples. That percentage is calculated on the total price (item price, shipping cost, and sales tax). My example assumes no other fees (PLS, "bold" etc)
1. $100.00 item price, free shipping to a state with no sales tax:
13.25% x $100.00 = $13.25, leaving seller with $86.75 ($100.00 - $13.25) (However, seller has presumably paid some shipping, and that too will need to be deducted from the $100.00 selling price to arrive at the amount seller actually "makes")
2. $100.00 item price, $14.00 shipping, 6% sales tax ($6.00):
13.25% x $120.00= 15.90, leaving seller with $84.10 ($100.00 - $15.90)
3. $100.00 item price, $34.00 shipping, 6% sales tax ($6.00):
13.25% x $140.00= 18.55, leaving seller with $81.45 ($100.00- $18.55)
Now, of course, there are other costs involved here, particularly the amount the seller paid for the item in the first place.
In short, while ebay's FVF IS 13.25%, the IMPACT of the FVF is often higher, because it is calculated on the TOTAL price. This should be obvious to anyone with basic arithmetic skills.
Which means sellers need to estimate the IMPACT of fees when pricing their items (and indeed when buying items, so they are buying at a price that allows them sufficient margin of profit.)
As a seller, I never assume ebay's take will be 13.25% , I ALWAYS assume it will be higher, because most states have sales tax and shipping costs just keep going up.
Any seller who does not comprehend that 13.25% of the ITEM price is different from 13.25% of the TOTAL price should probably consider another line of work.
BRAVO Well Said!
04-22-2023 09:22 PM
No other information to mention other than I am shipping it within Canada. No PL. Nothing extra on my part. Straight forward sale. GST of over $0.90.
Thank you. Since the sale is internal within Canada that rule out any international charge. If I adjust the cost model a bit to reflect GST, which is apparently the Canadian terminology for what US refers to as sales tax, something is still not coming up correct and the fees you claim eBay charged, about $8, is still almost twice what it should be. At this point I am out of ideas as to why the FVF's are so high. I would try contacting eBay through either the Facebook or Twitter connection to see if you can get a better explanation.
04-22-2023 09:35 PM
I'm fairly certain the OP is lumping in the postage cost as part of eBay fees.
In addition, another factor for Canadian sellers, they are charged GST/HST on the fees they pay to eBay. That GST is refundable if the seller is registered with GST as is any taxes paid in the course of business for goods purchased for resale, or things like packing materials, gas to the PO, shipping costs etc.
Most small time sellers are not registred because in the past it meant they also had to charge GST on their sales. As of last year eBay started to collect GST from buyers (similar to what they do here) so if a seller registers they will get a refund check every time they file (annually or quarterly).
Any business with revenues exceeding $30,000/year are required to register.
04-22-2023 09:54 PM
I'm fairly certain the OP is lumping in the postage cost as part of eBay fees.
That may be possible but I was not sure what the actual shipping cost was that the seller paid. All they provided was what the buyer paid which was $5. If the actual shipping was around $3 then added to the $4.66 in FVF's that would make sense. Not an uncommon mistake a lot of seller who post on this forum make.
In addition, another factor for Canadian sellers, they are charged GST/HST on the fees they pay to eBay. That GST is refundable if the seller is registered with GST as is any taxes paid in the course of business for goods purchased for resale, or things like packing materials, gas to the PO, shipping costs etc.
I factored in the GST based on information from other responses and the OP indicated it was around $.90 and is similar to our sales tax. So assuming the refundable GST is similar to our tax exempt status for some buyers in the US.
Most small time sellers are not registred because in the past it meant they also had to charge GST on their sales. As of last year eBay started to collect GST from buyers (similar to what they do here) so if a seller registers they will get a refund check every time they file (annually or quarterly). 😀
Any business with revenues exceeding $30,000/year are required to register. 😀
04-22-2023 10:16 PM - edited 04-22-2023 10:18 PM
@sakic92710 wrote:I sold the item for $26.95 + $5 S/H. $31.95. They subtracted $7.96 for fees.
You really need to look up the definition of the word “screenshot”.
Use someone else for shipping label like Pirateship, not eBay. Hey I just helped cut your “ebay fees” in half! You’re welcome.
04-22-2023 11:13 PM
@dbfolks166mt wrote:
I factored in the GST based on information from other responses and the OP indicated it was around $.90 and is similar to our sales tax.
GST or HST is charged to the seller on the FVF as well. The OP may not be aware of that. Depending on their location, that could be anywhere from 5 to 15%.
04-23-2023 12:46 AM
They are in Ontario so they would pay gst/hst of 13% on their eBay fees.
They list on .com and I think that they mentioned before that their payouts are in $C so eBay would charge them a 3% conversion fee.
04-23-2023 04:27 AM
@sakic92710 wrote:I sold the item for $26.95 + $5 S/H. $31.95. They subtracted $7.96 for fees.
@sakic92710 wrote:No other information to mention other than I am shipping it within Canada. No PL. Nothing extra on my part. Straight forward sale. GST of over $0.90.
I think that you must be mistaken about how much GST the buyer paid. If it was $0.90, when the total price plus shipping was $31.95, that would only be 2.8%. GST/HST in Canada is between 5% to 15%, so it couldn't have been that low. The chart below assumes that maximum rate of 15%, but it still doesn't explain the discrepancy.
Since the item is being shipped within Canada, I assume that you were not charge the 0.4% international fee (for USA sales) but that may not be the case. If the buyer was an international student or visitor, from another country than the USA, then there would have been a 1% international fee of $0.37. That could explain part of the discrepancy, but not all of it. (Not included in the chart below.)
Even if I assume that the buyer's GST rate was 15% (the maximum), and they were registered in a country that was not Canada or the USA, it still doesn't account for the whole discrepancy.
It seems likely that you may have included the cost of the shipping label, when you said that $7.96 was "deducted". You should be able to figure this out by researching all the fees/costs that were charged, but we don't have enough information at this point to be able to explain this for sure.
Paid by Buyer: | Charged on: (Comments) | ||
Purchase price | $ 26.95 | ||
Shipping | $ 5.00 | ||
Subtotal | $ 31.95 | ||
Sales tax (GST/HST) | 15.00% | $ 4.79 | Subtotal (at buyer's GST/HST rate) |
Total payment | $ 36.74 | ||
Paid by seller: | (FVF = Final Value Fee) | ||
FVF Variable | 13.25% | $ 4.87 | Total payment |
International Fee | 0.40% | - | Total payment (applicable on sales to USA) |
FVF fixed | $ 0.30 | $ 0.30 | (Per order) |
Total fees | $ 5.17 | ||
GST/HST on fees | 13.00% | $ 0.67 | Total fees (at seller's GST/HST rate) |
Total deductions | $ 5.84 |
04-23-2023 04:34 AM
@pjcdn2005 wrote:They are in Ontario so they would pay gst/hst of 13% on their eBay fees.
They list on .com and I think that they mentioned before that their payouts are in $C so eBay would charge them a 3% conversion fee.
@pjcdn2005, you may have gotten it.
My chart shows US$ 5.84 deductions, and in Canadian dollars at today's rate, that would be C$ 7.99. The rates used by eBay are never exactly the same as google's rates, so that could be it.
04-23-2023 04:40 AM
I don't until they reach 70% OFF and even then it's just breaking even but most of my items won't make it to 70% OFF. Other than that I make sure to charge accordingly, always charge a little more for shipping to cover the costs on that end and boom, profit.
04-23-2023 04:44 AM
I can't update the prices on my items fast enough to keep up with all the increases. I update them but I can only do so many so fast so some of them slip though the cracks at the old price. I research prices and stay competitive if I can but some sellers just don't understand the market place or the really do get "Free" shipping from some service.
I consider these "loss leaders" or just worthless junk that I would be better off scrapping. Most of this falls under the car parts category where they part weighs more than 1 lb but isn't worth more than $10 or under. Last one I sold like this was a bearing, weighed 1.5 pounds going to California. The transaction after fees, taxes, and shipping cost me .14 on ebay. So theoretically my price would have had to be $10.14 just to break even. This doesn't include the cost of the item which thankfully was zero because it was my Grandfathers.
I send these items anyway and consider it a cost of doing business. It's unfair to the buyer to cancel transactions like that, most of them don't know.
I don't understand how some things can even be saleable at these low prices to ANYONE.
And this doesn't even include the sellers who don't care about tracking info and ship small items with a postage stamp. Don't even get me started on that subject.
04-23-2023 05:41 AM
I believe you are mistaken:
We charge one final value fee when your item sells, and you don't have to worry about third-party payment processing fees. This fee is calculated as a percentage of the total amount of the sale, plus $0.30 per order.
The total amount of the sale includes the item price, any handling charges, the shipping service the buyer selects, sales tax, and any other applicable fees. If you offer 1-day or international shipping as well as a cheaper or free option (like domestic shipping), the total amount of the sale is calculated based on the cheapest domestic option you offer. If you only offer 1-day or international shipping but no cheaper option like domestic shipping, the total amount of the sale is calculated based on the service the buyer chooses.
04-23-2023 05:52 AM
What do you think I am mistaken about? I asked the OP if his sale was to a buyer in a state which doesn't charge state sales tax. I asked that because he did not mention the state sales tax in his calculations of the fees for the sale that he originally discussed.
And thank you for the recap about how fees are charged.
04-23-2023 06:23 AM
GST is the tax on the fees, not on the sale of the item.
04-23-2023 06:23 AM
I think that you must be mistaken about how much GST the buyer paid. If it was $0.90, when the total price plus shipping was $31.95, that would only be 2.8%. GST/HST in Canada is between 5% to 15%, so it couldn't have been that low. The chart below assumes that maximum rate of 15%, but it still doesn't explain the discrepancy.
Since the item is being shipped within Canada, I assume that you were not charge the 0.4% international fee (for USA sales) but that may not be the case. If the buyer was an international student or visitor, from another country than the USA, then there would have been a 1% international fee of $0.37. That could explain part of the discrepancy, but not all of it. (Not included in the chart below.)
Even if I assume that the buyer's GST rate was 15% (the maximum), and they were registered in a country that was not Canada or the USA, it still doesn't account for the whole discrepancy.
It seems likely that you may have included the cost of the shipping label, when you said that $7.96 was "deducted". You should be able to figure this out by researching all the fees/costs that were charged, but we don't have enough information at this point to be able to explain this for sure.
Paid by Buyer: | Charged on: (Comments) | ||
Purchase price | $ 26.95 | ||
Shipping | $ 5.00 | ||
Subtotal | $ 31.95 | ||
Sales tax (GST/HST) | 15.00% | $ 4.79 | Subtotal (at buyer's GST/HST rate) |
Total payment | $ 36.74 | ||
Paid by seller: | (FVF = Final Value Fee) | ||
FVF Variable | 13.25% | $ 4.87 | Total payment |
International Fee | 0.40% | - | Total payment (applicable on sales to USA) |
FVF fixed | $ 0.30 | $ 0.30 | (Per order) |
Total fees | $ 5.17 | ||
GST/HST on fees | 13.00% | $ 0.67 | Total fees (at seller's GST/HST rate) |
Total deductions | $ 5.84 |
Great explanation and people think US taxes are complex. Glad I don't have to create a costing model for selling in Canada. 😀