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can anyone explain me why USPS is looting people through shipping label page?

package dimension : 12 x1 2 x 12     weight : 1 lb    NY TO CA     charge  8.59$

package dimension : 14 x1 2 x 12     weight : 1 lb    NY TO CA     charge  49.52$

 

ebay needs to fix this issue, before seller switch to other platform, USPS stealing from sellers!!!!!!

 

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@no_zero369 wrote:

@uniwarehousewares 

Here is a bit of a plain English primer on Dimensional Weight I posted in another thread.  Shipping is your highest cost - so taking time to get a PhD in the subject is in your best interest, from an economic stand point

 

Dimensional Weight is a concept that shippers came up with to equalize the cost of shipping that doesn't solely rely on weight.  Here we go on the jargon and details, strap in! 😎


Say you wanted to ship a King Sized Pillow -  The weight of such might be a couple of pounds.  However the pillow takes up a LOT of space in the truck and as such it crowds out a whole bunch of smaller 1-lb packages.  So if that pillow wasn't taking up so much space, perhaps 4, 1-lb packages could fit in that space and thus the shipper is losing money by shipping a Large, light weight package. 


So to make up for this shippers came up with "dimensional weight" or a weight assigned to a package based on its size (dimensions).  So that pillow might ship at an assigned weight of say 5 pounds even though it weights only a couple of pounds.


 Dimensional Weight only kicks in on packages that are over 1-cubic foot in volume with the USPS.  UPS and FedEx use t he higher of DimWeight or actual weight when calculating shipping charges.


 Those calculation are done in the shipping calculator and one reason one needs to enter accurate dimensions and not approximate dimensions.  I also suspect that USPS's APV system makes those measurements as packages go through the sorting center.  Ship something based on weight that qualifies for Dim Weight and the APV system will charge you. 


 No doubt UPS and FedEx have the same kind of equipment in play and likely is one of the causes of "extra charges" some get when they ship on weight when in fact the dimensions kick the item into a higher weight class.

 


An excellent explanation for the general public.

 

A bit more in depth as to how it all started, if you ship trailers of stuff, it's the same concept. They have always used weight by volume - hence the NMFC number and class that is on every BOL.

 

A truckload of deflated basketballs weighs more than a truckload of inflated basketballs, and can fit more, however the class is different for billing purposes. The truckload of inflated basketballs is actually more expensive to ship than the truckload of deflated basketballs(per basketball).

 

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@uniwarehousewares wrote:

just for 2 inch difference in package and markup is 400% ? its make no sense at all, its a legal way to do illegal things ! this is price gouging !!! in name of dimensions .


If that 2" difference in packaging causes it to go over 1 cubic foot, then yes, it would be UP TO a certain % of the cost. The original example is coast to coast. If you use a zip code in the middle of the country, or on the east coast, it won't cost as much as going to CA from NY. Probably about 1/2 half the cost.

 

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Threshold being arbitrary?   Well yeah, probably.  After all it is USPS's game to set the bar wherever they wish, no?

 

USPS has a mandate that not every shipper has  - they HAVE TO deliver to EVERY address in the USA.  Others don't do that.  Shoot I was working one time in West Yellowstone MT and needed something from the office.  They put it in an Express envelop for overnight delivery.   A couple of days later, no package.  On inquiry, I was told that was a "remote" location and they only deliver there once a week if they have enough volume to make it worthwhile.  WTH?  But still they collected our overnight fee.

 

If you were running USPS like a shipper with no mandate, then you would charge more for remote delivery and rural America would be priced out of the service.  So it is a balancing act.    I suspect that they don't want to price out a bulk of their packages (under 1cf) so they set the bar there.

 

But all of this is beyond my pay grade.  I'm just glad the rules are known up front so I can adjust and that there are other options to select from.

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"A truckload of deflated basketballs weighs more than a truckload of inflated basketballs, and can fit more, however the class is different for billing purposes. The truckload of inflated basketballs is actually more expensive to ship than the truckload of deflated basketballs(per basketball)."

 

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 your analogy is highlighting "arrrr--one extreme to another extreme; I think you're missing the op's point; using the op's examples, USPS's logic is existing in some type of bizarro would; one might say they're "like" using ghosts to generate revenue, but there's nothing new in that type of tactic, by the unethical crowds. I've seen it elsewhere.

 

Have a great evening

 

 

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Actually, I was trying to explain the origins of dimensional weight and why it's now being applied to the carriers. USPS was the last to go with this, and they did it in phases.

 

Using the OP's example, the 2nd example is much higher than the first just because it's over 1 cubic foot AND going from NY to CA. If they shipped the 2nd package from NY to NY, the shipping charge would still be between 15-20.00, and the 1st package would be a little less than quoted above. 

 

But what they show is EXACTLY at 1 pound, 0 ounces. It would be more if 1 pound, 1  ounce, as that would make it 2 pounds. If it's 0 pounds, 15.99 ounces, it would ship first class for WAY less, with no dimensional weight factor.

 

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"Actually, I was trying to explain the origins of dimensional weight and why it's now being applied to the carriers."

 

Well, then it'd seem you're in line, without questioning the line's Holders' unethical behavior.

 

And also your analogy has "I don't know" like some type of overtones concerning the merchandise's sellable value woven into it. And that's of no concerns to USPS. 

 

Anyway, all is good 

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"Nothing we say here is going to change it.  But it would be interesting to know why."

 

I can only say because they can.

 

They see other shippers doing it and it is not impacting their business so the USPS decide to do it.  Apparently it has not impacted USPS business so it will continue.

 

It is like the eBay 12.35% that is taken from shipping fees received by the buyer.  They did not use to do this.  they started this one day and it has not impacted their business so they will continue to do it.

 

Airlines did not use to charge for two checked baggage's.  One company started it and the others stood back to see if it would impact the company.  It did not, so other airlines started doing it. 

 

So many people will say I am not going to use this company for this reason (could be anything).  In reality very few people actually stop using the company and the company will continue to do what ever it was that created the initial fuss.

 

If the majority of customers quit doing business with a company, the company will have to change or go out of business.  Look at how many major retailers have gone under because they were unable to adapt to the changing of how people shop (internet sales).

 

Basically if a company can charge more and it has no impact on their business they will continue to do it.

 

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"The truckload of inflated basketballs is actually more expensive to ship than the truckload of deflated basketballs(per basketball)."

 

The above statement is where it appears the analogy if flawed, unless there is a concern of the payload's sellable value.

 

But as far as USPS's concerns, the heavier the payload, their cost would be greater. Like in, if the CW is 10k lbs, then logic tells us that the truck's haul cost would be less than a CW of 20k lbs. Now, naturally the cost per package will differ. But the idea in trucking is to hit the truck's CW capability within 10%, in which the standard truck and trailer's CW capability is probably around 40k lbs, but never over its CW capability, whether its payload consists of 1000 packages or only ten packages. Now, with that in mind, we'll use a round-about figure of 40k per payload value, and due to weight changes that value will change somewhat, but only by a small percent. 

 

And if you take the op's examples and placed them in a formula, by using a theory of the perfect environment for the nature of the packages, well, there's very little differences in the CW weight, probably, is around 600 lbs or so. Now here's the bizarreness of what the op is pointing out, the truck's trailer volume, "based on haul trailers standards," and using the op's figures, the cu ft payload value would seem to be somewhere around 20k, and the 12" x 12" x 14" payload value would seem to be somewhere around 100k.

 

It's bizarre:

 

 

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"I can only say because they can."

 

Yeah, no doubts about that, and they'd probably justify why they can, with plenty of sparkle, never stirred but rather twisted.

 

But any changes in the behaviors of businesses, does have a negative or positive effect, as time rolls on. Take the referred issue, what effects has been caused by USPS's big bite logistics theory, well, it'd appear to me that some sellers are addressing it by their own habits in what they're considering to be a profitable, flippable item, like in, smaller is much much safer to deal with. So there are chains of effects, now whether it's good or not, only time will tell. And it's worth noting that, "now, I might be off with this" but it seems to me eBay's growth kinda flatlined as the years have rolled by, although their overall profit margin brought smiles about  from the shareholders, so it'd seem. But I'd bet a holy cow there was a bit of manipulate going on, as so to keep those delightful smiles, smiling on.

 

Yeah, because they can and, it seems the only way to, "arrrr--like say wait a minute, exactly what are you up to, buddy," is to start an advocation group, then the founder of that group will turn it into a career with a nice income through the groups proceeds. And, in the corporate world, the group isn't required, they merely employ a lobbyist who has much knowledge and many connections within the machine.

 

Such is life in America, and I love it, although I may not always agree with how the gears turn inside of the machine.

 

Best regards to you : )

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I never use the post office for large packages. 

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"can anyone explain me why USPS is looting people through shipping label page?"

 

 

Because they're democrats. And democrats are corrupt.

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@no_zero369 wrote:

@kosmosattik 

 

For whatever reason, the Postal Service wants to give preferential treatment to small packages while discouraging large ones. What that reason might be escapes me.

 

It is called Dimensional Weight and I wrote a treatise on the subject in Post #7 in this thread.  Might be of some value to understand what is DimWeight ?

 

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Shipping-Returns/can-anyone-explain-me-why-USPS-is-looting-people-thro...

 

If you were running a shipping company, I suspect you would implement the Dim Weight stuff too.

 

 


Simple, because large packages cost more to move. 

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"Threshold being arbitrary?   Well yeah, probably.  After all it is USPS's game to set the bar wherever they wish, no?"

 

Yes, you're right, whether it be in a fairness or not, or to say, an ethical, balanced approach or not: its self-prerogative, thus the negative effects to users, is irrelevant. And, in some ways, one might say,  it's the same ideology used by eBay; and, with that said, I mean no disrespect towards eBay. I guess it's just self-preservation, you know, like in what's best for the mass, might not be very enriching for the one. And perhaps our fine elected representatives even use that same ideology, now and then, who knows?

 

"USPS has a mandate that not every shipper has  - they HAVE TO deliver to EVERY address in the USA.  Others don't do that.  Shoot I was working one time in West Yellowstone MT and needed something from the office.  They put it in an Express envelop for overnight delivery.   A couple of days later, no package.  On inquiry, I was told that was a "remote" location and they only deliver there once a week if they have enough volume to make it worthwhile.  WTH?  But still they collected our overnight fee."

 

Yes, such is understood; it reminds me of my old woodstove: my only means of warmth and it is a daunting process to it. There be the cutting of the wood, then the splitting of it, then the loading and hauling of it, then the unloading and stacking of it, then the continuous packing of it into the stove, then the last step: the continuous removal of the ashes. And every bit of it is done by hand, and not to mention the continuous home dusting, due to the ashfall. And, as each year passes me by, it becomes even more daunting... You know, a car hauler can haul like 8 or 10 or so cars in one whack, and let's say to make that trip from the east coast to the west coast, while keeping in mind the aspects of once it reaches point B from point A, there isn't any further distribution of it, thus the freight would probably be somewhere around 1k per car; giving the payload a total of something around 8k to 10k, so with those thoughts: it's understandable that USPS's payload values are 4 to 5 times higher, or even greater than the freight rate of the cars. So yeah, what you're stating is very understandable.

 

"If you were running USPS like a shipper with no mandate, then you would charge more for remote delivery and rural America would be priced out of the service.  So it is a balancing act.    I suspect that they don't want to price out a bulk of their packages (under 1cf) so they set the bar there."

 

Yeah, ok... I mostly just kick things around inside of my head, so my responses aren't derived from any thing beyond that... You know, I'd bet a load of wood, if one was to theorize about a shipping rate of that 12" x 12" x 14" package; by means of using USPS's logistics formula and working that formula from the upper end to the lower end, I'd surmise the rate for the referred package would be somewhere around $27.00. So, it's just my opinion, their balancing act is flawed, in which leads me to believe that their initial projected weight increase vs volume, is way too excessive. And with that in mind; so it would seem there are inquiring minds wondering, what is the true reasoning that drives USPS's enigmatic behavior?

 

"But all of this is beyond my pay grade.  I'm just glad the rules are known up front so I can adjust and that there are other options to select from."

 

Me too. I really just like reading the responses, and I return to this thread just to go back over those responses, just for the heck of it... like in, Nobody's Perfect's response that noted ground-ship use to be a workaround, but not anymore, in which is very much true. And, 77 78 yankees response made me grin like a mule eating briers.

 

Ah, the eBay community; It's just part of my  routine, whether it be in the moment or some unthinkable time in the future : )

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Well after today, I appreciate your musings!

 

I like the reference to wood for heating.  Never took much heed to the old saying, "wood heats you twice" until I spent some time employing that "renewable resource" as a means of winter heating!  Then I'd say the "heating" part was at least twice!  So you are spot on with those observations!

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