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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

I sold an item and had it set for the buyer to pay the shipping. Why do I also have to pay for the shipping? How do I keep track of all of this for tax purposes? I tried viewing a page on that and it just gave me an error, something about I don't have permission? Where do I find more info about the taxes and the ebay interfaces? This was less confusing when it was paypal based.

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

Buyer pays eBay item + shipping + sales tax.
eBay takes selling fees on that total amount.
eBay remits sales tax to buyer's state.
eBay sends the balance item + shipping (less fees) to the seller.
Seller uses the funds to buy a shipping label.

eBay gave you the buyer's shipping money after taking out their fees so you can use it to purchase the label. View your transaction details here:
https://www.ebay.com/mes/transactionlist?sh=true

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

You are paying  for  the  shipping   label  out of  the  buyers payment  . Ebay  has taken  tax  out of the $27   .in the past  as now  buyer  pay's  the shipping  cost:  $20.00  +  $7.00  S/H   or     seller  list  $27.00  shipping included    .  You  can print the shipping  label  from ebay   .Which the will deduct    plus   seller fee's   which   adyen  managed payments   will send to your bank   account.    

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

If the user paid for it why must I turn around and pay too?

 

@rjblg10 

 

The buyer paid you... you pay for the label. You're paying for the label with your buyer's money. You're only the middle man.

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

The buyer pays the item price, the shipping fee and the state sales tax.

You, the seller, use the money the buyer paid to you for the shipping cost to pay the carrier the shipping fee. 

 

 

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

Thanks. It was less confusing in the past. I assumed since the buyer paid the shipping that somehow they had paid USPS. I think that is how it used to work,  I don't remember paying for postage like this long ago. It's been a while.  How do I keep track of all of it for tax purposes? Is there some printout on ebay? Or do I have to keep an excel sheet?

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

There are a plethora of reports.....

the most informative can be found here (especially if you use ebay labels for shipping)

https://www.ebay.com/sh/fin/reportslanding

 

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

Thanks everyone. The process was way less confusing years ago when I sold some things. Is there an easy way for me to see the info I would need for tax purposes? Like the sales information and shipping for each sale?

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

Each individual sales can be easily detailed when you click the "Order Details" link from your Sold Listings Window....

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?


@rjblg10 wrote:

Thanks everyone. The process was way less confusing years ago when I sold some things. Is there an easy way for me to see the info I would need for tax purposes? Like the sales information and shipping for each sale?


For any business needing to 'keep track of' these type things- it's been the EXACT SAME since the IRS and Tax Returns were invented. 

 

Was NEVER 'easier'.

 

Somehow you would need to 'keep track of' and 'keep receipts' of 'Fees' 'Shipping Costs' 'Shipping Materials (if you are buying)' 'Original Cost of Goods' 

 

One way is to:

 

In the Payments tab; hover and in the drop down- click 'reports'. 

 

Best to do this monthly, tally up and keep the 12 for each tax season.

 

If you are buying shipping labels using 'pending funds' then it will show.

If you are buying them using 'paypal', you'll want the report from Paypal for 'money sent'; you can also do this monthly. 

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?


@rjblg10 wrote:

Thanks. It was less confusing in the past. I assumed since the buyer paid the shipping that somehow they had paid USPS. I think that is how it used to work,  I don't remember paying for postage like this long ago. It's been a while.  How do I keep track of all of it for tax purposes? Is there some printout on ebay? Or do I have to keep an excel sheet?


It never worked that way.

 

At any time you can run a transaction report here, sort it by custom date range, and either sort it all in Excel, or apply filters before running the report. https://www.ebay.com/sh/fin/report

 

Regarding shipping labels specifically, eBay does not offer shipping label reports. If you pay for the labels with eBay funds you can pull them into the transaction report linked above. If you pay using PayPal (that's what I do - I link my credit card to get cash back on shipping label purchases) you have to go to PayPal or your CC to generate a report for labels.

 

Regarding 1099-Ks and other reports:

 

Deadline for eBay to release 1099-K forms is Jan 31st each year. They will be posted on your payments section here:
https://www.ebay.com/sh/fin/taxforms

 

Rundown on eBay 1099-Ks:
https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/fees-credits-invoices/ebay-form-1099k?id=4794

 

You can go to this page and generate a CSV report and you'll see what's counted on your 1099-K at the transaction level.  https://www.ebay.com/sh/fin/taxdetails

 

"Your 1099-K Details report shows all the orders that factored into your gross amount of payments. The report also provides other details, such as transaction fees, which may be relevant when preparing your taxes."

 

There's a guide published here where you can further drill down and get reports for expenses and refunds: https://www.ebay.com/mes/taxguide?sh=true

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

"I sold an item and had it set for the buyer to pay the shipping. The item sold. It shows the buyer paid for shipping. Why then must I ALSO PAY FOR SHIPPING???????????  Who gets the extra money ? And doesn't this add more to the taxes I have to pay?  If  I sell the item for $20 and there is $7 shipping doesn't this mean I now have to pay taxes on $27? How is ebays **bleep** system now rigged? I don't believe you both parties paid shipping in the past. **bleep** is going on now? I'm really NOT IMPRESSE WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM OF both parties pay for shipping. If the user paid for it why must I turn around and pay too? **bleep**????? When did this become so **bleep** moronic?"

Wow.  

"I sold an item and had it set for the buyer to pay the shipping. The item sold. It shows the buyer paid for shipping. Why then must I ALSO PAY FOR SHIPPING???????????"

 

I will try to explain and hope you will try to follow this series of steps.  I'll use your numbers, $20 plus $7.  I'll even leave sales taxes out of the equation, which can happen if your buyer's delivery address is in Oregon, Montana, New Hampshire, Delaware, or a non-sales-taxed area of Alaska.  

You sell an item for $20.00 and your listing -- which you write, remember -- says the buyer will pay shipping of $7.00.  So your buyer will pay $27.00.  Still with me?  eBay has received $27.00 on your behalf.  

 

Why must you pay for postage? Because you are in possession of the item.  The Post Office will not accept letters or packages that do not have stamps or other tapes or labels already on those letters or packages.  You can either buy postage through eBay's programming or take the wrapped-up item to your local post office and buy postage at the counter.   (There are other computer programs such as PirateShip that you could use to buy postage at a discount, but I'm trying to keep this explanation as simple as possible.)


So, let say you decide to buy US Postal Service postage through eBay's program, which does offer a slight reduction in price compared to if you went in to your local post office and paid the clerk for postage.  The postage label you print through eBay might say that you only have to pay $5.50 to send that sold item to your buyer.  OK?  Your buyer paid $7.00 but you might only pay $5.50 to the USPS through eBay.  $7.00 minus $5.50 equals $1.50 of what you have called "extra money."  

 

"Who gets the [$1.50 of] extra money ?"  You do.  (Isn't that obvious?)

"If I sell the item for $20 and there is $7 shipping doesn't this mean I now have to pay taxes on $27?"

Assuming you are speaking of income taxes, and you are not what the IRS considers a hobbyist-seller, the answer is No, you would possibly not have to pay income taxes on $27.00.  You may be entitled to deduct the amount of postage that you paid.   (I say possibly because I am not an accountant; everybody's income tax situation is different; and I really don't want to know anything else about your particular financial situation.)

 

What did you pay for postage, again?  In my example above, using your original numbers, remember, you paid $5.50 for postage.  That means you could deduct $5.50.  

 

No U.S. taxpayer pays income taxes on amounts that are valid deductions.

 

That $5.50 would be included in the amount you list as deductible postage or shipping costs for all your eBay sales, on the Schedule C to the IRS Form 1040 that you use for filing your income tax return. 

 

$27.00 minus $5.50 equals $21.50.  With only this info, the IRS could hold you responsible for income taxes on $21.50 on this transaction.  

 

However, even that number is most likely not accurate.  There are other allowable tax deductions and eBay's fee(s).  eBay retains a Final Value Fee (FVF) from the total amount paid by your buyer -- $27.00.  The FVF consists of (1) a percentage of the total paid by the buyer, most often 13.25%, plus (2) $0.30 per order. 
On this transaction:  $27.00 x .1325 = $3.5775.  That is rounded up to the nearest penny:  $3.58 + 0.30 = $3.88. 

Those $3.88 fees you pay to eBay (which eBay keeps) are deductible on the Schedule C to Form 1040.   

 

Also the costs of your mailing envelope(s) or new empty box(es) are deductible.  The cost for each blank mailing label you buy is deductible.  The cost for packaging tape is deductible.  Your mileage driving to and from Staples or Walmart to buy envelopes and/or bubble wrap and/or blank mailing labels is deductible, at a certain dollar amount per mile.  Your mileage driving to and from the post office to mail the item, if you do that, is deductible.  The instructions for Forms 1040 and/or Schedule C will probably tell you what that amount is.  

There are other regular posters who might chime in with even deeper detail that I have included.  Example: if you purchased that item for $18.00 before you sold it for $20.00, your Cost of Goods (COG) on this item, $18.00, could also be a deduction.  

In theory, on this transaction alone, you could owe income tax, to the IRS, on only maybe $2.00 or $3.00.  

BTW, none of this is particularly new, nor does it apply only to selling on eBay.  

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

Thanks. I'm just selling junk, I'd hate to be an actual store or business selling lots of things trying to keep track of all of it. I think this has cured any future idea of selling things online for money as a business. LOL It doesn't sound like I'd end up making much after all the tax issues.

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

There should be no sales tax on an item if you are not a retail outlet. This would be like charging someone sales tax at a yard sale. Like eBay really sends money to your state ( Id like to see proof of that). The buyer pays shipping. That money should be a separate entity of the sale purchase price. You end up paying say $7 for a flippin shipping label?? Ridiculous. You can write the address with a pen and you automatically get a tracking number for FREE !! They add on all these ridiculous fraudulent charges to basically upcharge the "sale price" so there fee goes up on a percentage base, and then rob you of money that never goes to your state. IF they do it's only 4.5 percent and they take 6.5. Tax evasion highway robbery 

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Why as a seller do I pay shipping if the buy also paid shipping?

@dwabu-14 

 

Ridiculous. You can write the address with a pen and you automatically get a tracking number for FREE !!

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online label purchase gets you "free tracking", and an online label, as opposed to writing an address with a pen and paying "retail" shipping, saves money as the labels are cheaper. ETA(not cheaper for MM)

 

Laws require eBay to collect/remit sales tax for items sold on eBay.

 

Some jurisdictions allow withholding a small %age when remitting sales tax, but it is far from 6.5.

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