Seller misusing the 50% only refund thing?
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07-25-2019 04:34 PM
I could use some info on what I should expect here in a crummy situation with a buyer.
To avoid a huge long drawn out story I will just state the main facts of this but will be careful to tell it accurately so I get accurate info back.
I bought a $150 "new in box" mass produced action figure that just came out last year and is still being made.
I noticed before buying that the item description said "Box is not pristine and has some shelf wear".
The 2 photos of the box were small and did not enlarge much when clicked. Front of box looked perfect and looked like maybe a small ding in the bottom back corner I could push back out easily enough. Price was lowest on ebay within USA, where I am, but only by maybe $10. Overseas sellers from where the figure is made have it listed at around $30 less.
When I got the figure and opened the package I found that the figure box inside was smashed badly, with not only a corner heavily smashed in, but 3 sides crushed and torn. Much worse damage than just "not pristine and with shelf wear".
I told the seller that I can't leave positive feedback with how much I paid for what was a pretty misleading description and small unclear pics that did not show the extent of the box damage. I said although I bought this for the figure inside, I do keep the boxes as they greatly help retain resell value. I told him this box is almost too smashed to even keep and asked if he wanted to do a partial refund to fix the issue.
Seller replied telling me I should have known by "not pristine" that the box would be damaged, so the extent of damage doesn't matter since he was selling it as a new mint figure for those who don't care about a mint box, thus "we are back to square one and I won't give a partial refund". I didn't like that snippy remark, but whatever.
He said I can send it back for a refund as long as box is unopened, but that's all he'd do.
I replied telling him that although the box condition is of some importance and I don't feel his listing was honest, I primarily bought this to have the figure and only mentioned the box issue because I can't honestly leave a glowing positive feedback with how bad it is.
Later that day I opened the box and took the figure out. Noticed right away that a section of the hip is missing from the figure and nowhere to be found in the box either. It is a part held on by screws so clearly a factory error.
I sent the seller pics of the figure with missing hip panel and told him that in light of this issue I will need to return this.
He basically said "no way". He said by opening the box (only sealed by a small piece of round clear tape I cut) I have lowered the value, and since the item is not in the condition it was sent in, he will only let me return it to get 50% of my money back.
I reminded him that he himself said he was selling it for collectors who don't care about the box, and that he admitted the box was already crushed and therefore pretty worthless, plus it isn't a rare old item where a broken seal makes a huge difference anyway. I'm asking for this return due to the figure missing something, nothing to do with the box, but he says I can go ahead and send it back to get only $75 of the $150 I paid...
There is no way that is fair. Not only was his listing misleading as far as the condition of the box then he was unhelpful and a bit rude when I brought that up, but the figure is missing a part too. Seems I have more than enough reason to want a refund, and I shouldn't lose half of my money for it.
I called ebay and they said if he does that I can open an appeal case to get the rest, and ebay will decide whether or not I get that. The lady on the phone said with my clear photos of the box condition and the missing part, and the fact that I brought these issues to him the day I got the package and not a month or so later, I should be alright, but possibly losing both the figure and half of my money still feels like quite a risk.
I feel like this guy is just trying to intimidate me into not sending it back, but should I be worried?
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08-02-2019 04:49 PM
I'm on your side. You should get a full refund. The seller is trying to have it both ways. He is trying to count the box as value added and not as value added, depending on how it benefits him. Regardless, the figure is damaged. You are owed a full refund.
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08-02-2019 04:50 PM
OP explained why. The figure was the main thing. But the figure is damaged.
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08-02-2019 04:53 PM
IMO, the seller treated you badly from the get-go.
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08-03-2019 01:59 PM
@nmemoryof wrote:IMO, the seller treated you badly from the get-go.
Definitely, and as I expected he waited until the 9th day of the 10 days paypal gave him to respond to my claim, just to be petty. He will draw this out as long as he can, and no doubt lied to paypal like he did ebay in his attempt to continue ripping me off.
I just hope paypal sorts this out the right way and I get my full refund.
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08-03-2019 05:53 PM
@unicron9tj wrote:as I expected he waited until the 9th day of the 10 days paypal gave him to respond to my claim, just to be petty. He will draw this out as long as he can, and no doubt lied to paypal like he did ebay in his attempt to continue ripping me off.
I just hope paypal sorts this out the right way and I get my full refund.
Replace PP-12345 in this URL @unicron9tj with your PayPal Case ID number:
https://www.paypal.com/resolutioncenter/PP-12345
Then click the View Case History link at the top right. Does it say (in reverse order):
AUG 3 2019
Under Review
Evidence provided by seller
JUL 26 2019
Waiting for seller response
Under Review
Case Escalated to PayPal
Or what does it say?
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08-03-2019 05:57 PM - edited 08-03-2019 06:01 PM
@ga-8370 wrote:
@unicron9tj wrote:as I expected he waited until the 9th day of the 10 days paypal gave him to respond to my claim, just to be petty. He will draw this out as long as he can, and no doubt lied to paypal like he did ebay in his attempt to continue ripping me off.
I just hope paypal sorts this out the right way and I get my full refund.
Replace PP-12345 in this URL @unicron9tj with your PayPal Case ID number:
https://www.paypal.com/resolutioncenter/PP-12345Then click the View Case History link at the top right. Does it say (in reverse order):
AUG 3 2019
Under Review
Evidence provided by seller
JUL 26 2019
Waiting for seller response
Under Review
Case Escalated to PayPal
Or what does it say?
AUG 3 2019
Under Review
PayPalEmail sent to the seller
PayPalEmail sent to buyer
PayPalEvidence provided by seller
SellerUnder Review
PayPal
AUG 2 2019
Email sent to the seller
PayPal
JUL 29 2019
Email sent to the seller
PayPal
JUL 25 2019
Waiting for seller response
PayPalEmail sent to the seller
PayPalUnder Review
PayPalEmail sent to buyer
PayPalEmail sent to the seller
PayPalEmail sent to buyer
PayPalUnder Review
PayPalCase Escalated to PayPal
YouOpen
PayPalEmail sent to the seller
PayPalEmail sent to buyer
PayPalOpen
PayPalCreated
You
And by the way they never asked me for anything after I opened the case. I haven't sent photos or anything. I just explained the situation and sent them the tracking for the return. I did tell Paypal I had photo evidence of everything I said though. Hoping they will be asking me about that soon instead of just accepting whatever **bleep** he fed them in his response.
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08-05-2019 11:10 PM
I got my refund from paypal. Still have to hope this guy doesn't appeal and somehow lie his way into getting it back, but as it stands, I am no longer totally ripped-off. Too bad I couldn't leave him feedback, but I can get over that part.
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08-06-2019 12:30 AM
@unicron9tj wrote:I got my refund from paypal. Still have to hope this guy doesn't appeal and somehow lie his way into getting it back, but as it stands, I am no longer totally ripped-off. Too bad I couldn't leave him feedback, but I can get over that part.
So glad it worked; it always does, like clockwork, at PayPal. If you look, it was 10 days for the seller to respond to the escalation, then 1 more day TO THE MINUTE to refund -- see the timestamp on your email from PayPal on July 25, and on the final email.
An appeal is the seller asking PayPal for a courtesy refund; it won't come from you. And the seller is in a woeful position to get any handout from PayPal, having back possession of the item already, and having not ever responded to the case.
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08-10-2019 01:41 PM
I read this thread and I would like advice in my situation. I purchased a handbag for $400. Before I purchased, I asked the seller several questions about the condition. Seller assured me it was like new and only used a few times. I received it and immediately opened the box. The first thing I noticed was the bad condition of the exterior which was one of the questions I asked seller about. But, then I opened the bag, unzipped the zippered pocket and saw that the lining of the pocket was completely ripped across at the seam...not a small rip....a rip all the way from one side to the other. This would have been visible to anybody if they bothered to open the pocket and I believe (after what happened today) that this seller knew the bag was ripped.
I immediately requested a return. The seller did not accept returns. I chose not as described and uploaded pictures showing the ripped lining. The seller replied quickly and said it wasn’t like that when she shipped it ... as if I had ripped it?? She said she would issue a return label because she “didn’t need negative feedback”.
I boxed it it back up and returned it to her that day. She received it 2 or 3 days later. I waited for her to refund and the next day after not hearing from her I sent an email saying the bag was returned and to please issue my refund. Nothing.
Today I get an email from eBay saying the seller opened a case. Five minutes later I get another email from eBay saying something like.... congratulations! The case was decided in your favor and WE’RE ISSUING YOU A PARTIAL REFUND OF $200. WHOA.......WHAT!?!
I call ebay immediately. The person I spoke to reversed the decision and refunded me the remaining $200.
I noticed in my PayPal account that there were two refunds....both from eBay inc.
So does this mean eBay refunded me out of their own pocket and the seller got to keep the $400 from the sale?
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08-10-2019 02:33 PM
@justagirl12 wrote:Today I get an email from eBay saying the seller opened a case. Five minutes later I get another email from eBay saying something like.... congratulations! The case was decided in your favor and WE’RE ISSUING YOU A PARTIAL REFUND OF $200. WHOA.......WHAT!?!
I call ebay immediately. The person I spoke to reversed the decision and refunded me the remaining $200.
I noticed in my PayPal account that there were two refunds....both from eBay inc.
So does this mean eBay refunded me out of their own pocket and the seller got to keep the $400 from the sale?
Can you paste the exact wording @justagirl12 from the 2 messages from eBay for your 2 refunds?
It's likely that the first refund was a forced refund, which eBay refunds first, then goes after the seller for reimbursement. And the second is a courtesy refund which eBay paid out of pocket because eBay made the wrong decision the first time, so the seller got away without having to pay the second refund.
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08-10-2019 02:45 PM
@coco9619 wrote:
@justagirl12 wrote:Today I get an email from eBay saying the seller opened a case. Five minutes later I get another email from eBay saying something like.... congratulations! The case was decided in your favor and WE’RE ISSUING YOU A PARTIAL REFUND OF $200. WHOA.......WHAT!?!
I call ebay immediately. The person I spoke to reversed the decision and refunded me the remaining $200.
I noticed in my PayPal account that there were two refunds....both from eBay inc.
So does this mean eBay refunded me out of their own pocket and the seller got to keep the $400 from the sale?
Can you paste the exact wording @justagirl12 from the 2 messages from eBay for your 2 refunds?
It's likely that the first refund was a forced refund, which eBay refunds first, then goes after the seller for reimbursement. And the second is a courtesy refund which eBay paid out of pocket because eBay made the wrong decision the first time, so the seller got away without having to pay the second refund.
Yes, I will do that. I can’t right now but later this evening when I get home I will copy and paste it....or screen shot.

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