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Seller misusing the 50% only refund thing?

I could use some info on what I should expect here in a crummy situation with a buyer.

To avoid a huge long drawn out story I will just state the main facts of this but will be careful to tell it accurately so I get accurate info back.

 

I bought a $150 "new in box" mass produced action figure that just came out last year and is still being made. 

I noticed before buying that the item description said "Box is not pristine and has some shelf wear". 

The 2 photos of the box were small and did not enlarge much when clicked. Front of box looked perfect and looked like maybe a small ding in the bottom back corner I could push back out easily enough. Price was lowest on ebay within USA, where I am, but only by maybe $10. Overseas sellers from where the figure is made have it listed at around $30 less. 

 

When I got the figure and opened the package I found that the figure box inside was smashed badly, with not only a corner heavily smashed in, but 3 sides crushed and torn. Much worse damage than just "not pristine and with shelf wear". 

I told the seller that I can't leave positive feedback with how much I paid for what was a pretty misleading description and small unclear pics that did not show the extent of the box damage. I said although I bought this for the figure inside, I do keep the boxes as they greatly help retain resell value.  I told him this box is almost too smashed to even keep and asked if he wanted to do a partial refund to fix the issue. 

 

Seller replied telling me I should have known by "not pristine" that the box would be damaged, so the extent of damage doesn't matter since he was selling it as a new mint figure for those who don't care about a mint box, thus "we are back to square one and I won't give a partial refund". I didn't like that snippy remark, but whatever.

He said I can send it back for a refund as long as box is unopened, but that's all he'd do. 

 

I replied telling him that although the box condition is of some importance and I don't feel his listing was honest, I primarily bought this to have the figure and only mentioned the box issue because I can't honestly leave a glowing positive feedback with how bad it is. 

 

Later that day I opened the box and took the figure out. Noticed right away that a section of the hip is missing from the figure and nowhere to be found in the box either. It is a part held on by screws so clearly a factory error. 

I sent the seller pics of the figure with missing hip panel and told him that in light of this issue I will need to return this.

He basically said "no way".  He said by opening the box (only sealed by a small piece of round clear tape I cut) I have lowered the value, and since the item is not in the condition it was sent in, he will only let me return it to get 50% of my money back. 

I reminded him that he himself said he was selling it for collectors who don't care about the box, and that he admitted the box was already crushed and therefore pretty worthless, plus it isn't a rare old item where a broken seal makes a huge difference anyway. I'm asking for this return due to the figure missing something, nothing to do with the box, but he says I can go ahead and send it back to get only $75 of the $150 I paid... 

 

There is no way that is fair. Not only was his listing misleading as far as the condition of the box then he was unhelpful and a bit rude when I brought that up, but the figure is missing a part too. Seems I have more than enough reason to want a refund, and I shouldn't lose half of my money for it. 

 

I called ebay and they said if he does that I can open an appeal case to get the rest, and ebay will decide whether or not I get that. The lady on the phone said with my clear photos of the box condition and the missing part, and the fact that I brought these issues to him the day I got the package and not a month or so later, I should be alright, but possibly losing both the figure and half of my money still feels like quite a risk.

 

I feel like this guy is just trying to intimidate me into not sending it back, but should I be worried? 

 

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@unicron9tj   If you used a Credit Card as a funding source via PayPal you have two options, process the return request in PayPal or process a Chargeback with your CC company (75-90 day process but the money for the Seller is tied up until the case is completed).  If the item was sold with Free Returns the Seller does have options in an eBay return on how much (within the guidelines) they can refund.  They also get protection against negative or neutral Feedback.  The fact that you even mentioned Feedback in eBay messaging, the Seller also has an angle on that being a potential violation of eBay's Feedback Extortion Policy.

Personally, from what you've shared I think the Seller pulled a fast one and that line about you should have known that "not pristine" means the box would be damaged ... the answer to that is STATE that the box is damaged!

Anyway, to me you deserve a full 100% refund from that Seller ... maybe pursuing a return in PayPal would get you more of the money back if not all of it.

Regards,
Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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So why did you open the sealed box exactly? I mean by your own words you were displeased with the box being in poor condition, the seller clearly wasn't going to give you your requested partial refund and you knew you had to return it so why did you open it?
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Well since on the phone ebay said I should definitely send the item back then appeal it if he only gives me a 50% refund, I used his return label and sent it back. Just got home from doing that. 

I would hope ebay wouldn't look at my evidence and the messages between the seller and and I while on the phone with them, then give me bad advice...

 

To me, this really just doesn't look like an iffy case, where it would even be a slightly difficult decision for ebay.  Not only were the seller's item description and pictures misleading about the box condition, but the figure was also incomplete. I'm hoping someone with experience or knowledge in this knows whether this seller might really get away with screwing me out of half of my money.  I would think not, but he seems dead sure he's only going to be giving me 50% back and that's that. 

 

I can post pics here of his listing photos and description, what the box I got actually looked like, and the figure with the missing part, if that helps clarify my situation. 

 

If by some wacky turn of events the seller DOES get away with doing that, can I then try to get the rest of my money back through paypal?

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You misread what I wrote. I certainly never "knew I had to return it". I didn't buy it for the box, but the extent of the box damage was an issue because it greatly hurts resell value.

 

I said I told him about the box condition because it was much worse than his listing pics and description showed and I felt I should bring that to his attention before leaving feedback (as sellers often ask buyers to do right in their listings).

When he said "Too bad, send it back for a refund or deal with it", I told him I'll just deal with it then because having the figure is what is most important, not the box- although I paid too much to get a box that badly smashed. 

 

Later when I opened the box, the figure inside was missing a section of the hips.  At that point I asked to send it back for a refund.  He says he will only refund me half of what I paid.

 

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@unicron9tj wrote:

I would hope ebay wouldn't look at my evidence and the messages between the seller and and I while on the phone with them, then give me bad advice...


The advice lasts only the duration of that phone call; it's erased at its conclusion: eBay CS always tells you what you want to hear, sorry.

 

If that's how you paid, file a credit card chargeback and provide that tracking number for GOODS RETURNED CREDIT NOT ISSUED if you get just a partial refund. An appeal with eBay is bad because the rest of your refund would come from eBay's pockets, and not from your deliberately deceitful seller.

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I was under the impression as long as the refund was open the seller's funds for the transaction were held, and that ebay would make him pay the rest if I appealed his half refund. I thought any time you opened a case as a buyer and won it, the funds came from the seller's paypal.

I would definitely rather the crooked unhelpful seller pay me back the money he got from me and not ebay. 

I paid using paypal as I always do, but it is connected to my bank account and I believe my debit card, but not a credit card. Does that mean I can't use that method?

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eBay seller protections

Starting June 1, 2018, when you offer free returns, you'll have greater control to manage your business, and you can decide to issue partial refunds to buyers. For example, if a buyer uses or damages an item and returns it, you can decide to issue a partial refund and we'll take it from there. If a buyer escalates a case, we'll take care of it for you so you can focus on your business. Plus, we'll protect your reputation from any negative feedback.

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So in other words they set up a policy that sellers can and will use to tell customers that they wronged to screw off and accept half a refund while keeping their feedback great despite screwing both customers and ebay over? 

 

Okay, looks like my debit card is no longer linked to my paypal so paypal is just linked to my bank account.

Can I file a paypal claim to get my money back using the tracking from this being returned to him? 

 

This guy absolutely should have to fully refund me, and I should be able to leave him the feedback he fully deserves. 

 

I'm starting to think I shouldn't have returned it. Maybe I need to get to the PO early in the morning and try to get the package back before it goes anywhere since I used the drop box after hours tonight to send it. 

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Did you file an INAD or just working with the seller?

Have a great day.
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@kensgiftshop wrote:

Did you file an INAD or just working with the seller?



I clicked request a return, and when it asked me to select a reason I picked missing parts or pieces. 

Buyer accepted return and said he'd only refund me 50%, and sent a shipping label, then I sent him a message saying I need the full refund or I will have to open a case through ebay, to which he said "nope". 

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Don't rush to do anything just yet.

 

Wait until the seller gets the return.  If they do withhold 50%, appeal and report.  The seller already pre-determined he was going to withhold monies based upon the seal when you actually received a defective item (both box and figure).   However, items CAN be opened to see if they are functioning/whole and it shouldn't impact the refund.

 

If the seller is trying to now place value on the box by stating the seal was broken... well, he sent you a damaged box, so that alone negates his reasoning and the fact that he wrote to you that he was selling it for the figurine and not the box.

 

Was the listing Free Returns?  If it wasn't, the seller can't withhold any part of the refund so this would be a non-issue.  (policy is going to change some, but that's not relevant to this situation)

 

 

 

 

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@lintbrush* wrote:

Don't rush to do anything just yet.

 

Wait until the seller gets the return.  If they do withhold 50%, appeal and report.  The seller already pre-determined he was going to withhold monies based upon the seal when you actually received a defective item (both box and figure).   However, items CAN be opened to see if they are functioning/whole and it shouldn't impact the refund.

 

If the seller is trying to now place value on the box by stating the seal was broken... well, he sent you a damaged box, so that alone negates his reasoning and the fact that he wrote to you that he was selling it for the figurine and not the box.

 

Was the listing Free Returns?  If it wasn't, the seller can't withhold any part of the refund so this would be a non-issue.  (policy is going to change some, but that's not relevant to this situation)

 

 

 

 


lintbrush the little bit of positivity in your post somehow made me feel some bit of relief, and just that nearly brought a freakin tear to my eye. That tells me I am WAY too stressed about this...  I don't know how it got me this worked up. I'm freaking out thinking I need to stay up all night so I can get to the post office and try to intercept that package I dropped off if at all possible early in the morning before it gets moving from the drop box I left it in. I'm thinking instead of printing his return label and sending it on back I should have just waited and opened a case through ebay on the 30th when I could. The thought of only getting $75 of my $150, this guy getting away with not only a misleading listing description, but I won't even get to leave feedback because ebay will protect him from honest feedback after being a terrible seller... It has me pretty unsettled. 

He was a jerk. Basically told me how it was going to be, and there's nothing I can do about it, and now I'm thinking he might have been right. That's not okay.

 

That middle line you typed out is exactly the logic I have in my head as for why this guy is being ridiculous. He tells me to get over the smashed box, then when the item inside is missing parts and I ask for a full return/refund, he suddenly cares about the seal on the box being cut. 

 

Yeah free returns. I just didn't think for a moment he could really half refund me after what he pulled. figured "yeah right, that's crazy" and sent it on back.

 

Attached is a pic of his listing photos and description, the box I actually got, and the missing hip panel on the figure that caused me to finally ask for a return/refund. 

 

 

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I'm freaking out thinking I need to stay up all night so I can get to the post office and try to intercept that package I dropped off if at all possible early in the morning before it gets moving from the drop box I left it in.

 

I'm thinking instead of printing his return label and sending it on back I should have just waited and opened a case through ebay on the 30th when I could.


You didn't have the option @unicron9tj to open a case on the 30th: It was rescinded as soon as your seller clicked Accept the return.

 

Don't try to intercept the return: Allow it to continue on its way back. But now you must open a PayPal dispute right away at http://paypal.com/disputes for

1. Significantly Not As Described

2. Defective, missing pieces

3. Full (not partial) refund

Opening a PayPal dispute will cancel the eBay case, stop the 50% refund option, and allow negative feedback. (You can't have 2 cases open at once.)

 

Immediately go back and click Escalate to PayPal (at the bottom of the page) your dispute to a claim. PayPal will require that you return the item and provide the tracking number, which somehow you are already able to provide. Then, when tracking shows delivered, PayPal will issue your refund.

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@unicron9tj wrote:

I'm freaking out thinking I need to stay up all night so I can get to the post office and try to intercept that package I dropped off if at all possible early in the morning before it gets moving from the drop box I left it in.

 

I'm thinking instead of printing his return label and sending it on back I should have just waited and opened a case through ebay on the 30th when I could.


You didn't have the option @unicron9tj to open a case on the 30th: It was rescinded as soon as your seller clicked Accept the return.

 

Don't try to intercept the return: Allow it to continue on its way back. But now you must open a PayPal dispute right away at http://paypal.com/disputes for

1. Significantly Not As Described

2. Defective, missing pieces

3. Full (not partial) refund

Opening a PayPal dispute will cancel the eBay case, stop the 50% refund option, and allow negative feedback. (You can't have 2 cases open at once.)

 

Immediately go back and click Escalate to PayPal (at the bottom of the page) your dispute to a claim. PayPal will require that you return the item and provide the tracking number, which somehow you are already able to provide. Then, when tracking shows delivered, PayPal will issue your refund.


 

That sounds great. I did exactly that, though I have never opened a paypal claim so I hope I did it right...

 

It asked me to send a message to the seller, so I did, explaining that it is not acceptable that he says he will only send me a 50% refund. 

Then I went back and escalated to a claim. It asked me to explain the issues to paypal, so I did that too. At the end of that I also explained that I have sent the package back to the seller and want a full refund, and gave the tracking number since I saw no actual section asking me for the tracking. 

In the part that said amounts for partial refunds, in the empty box I typed the full amount of $150 since I saw no other place to actually select full refund and wasn't sure if it would be automatic. Also stated I want a full refund in the explanation.

 

I got 2 emails from paypay immediately, one saying I opened a case and another saying I escalated the case to a claim.  Says they usually get these handled within 30 days... Hope it doesn't take nearly that long.  What you said about "when tracking says delivered I will be refunded" sounds great! 

 

Also, I checked ebay and it still shows I have that return going. Does that take a little while to cancel?

 

And thanks so much!! If this works, problem solved. 

 

 

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