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Hi,

due a short search in eBay catalogs, I noticed that I can easily find what I am looking for, at low enough prices, but... when it went for shipping, I could not believe my eyes! Who decides the shipping cost and why so much difference, between the price of the selected item to buy, and the price for shipping?

However, I don't think that this is fair for anyone.

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The short answer is, shipping is so costly.

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You must be one of those who believes shipping is actually "free"?

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Seller is entitled to charge whatever they wish as  the cost of shipping.  On something that normally costs $100, the seller is fully within their rights to charge $1 for the item and $99 for the shipping.

 

So I learned to shop based on total cost.  Now I sort all searched using the "Price + Shipping, lowest to highest" option so that eBay shows me items and I can shop "total cost."

 

What others are noting is that SHIPPING is one of the highest costs, if not THE highest cost, to online selling.  Even with the Commercial discounts eBay allows for sellers, costs are still pretty high.  Plus sellers pay eBay selling fees on that shipping cost and have to purchase boxes and packing materials.

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@themitso5 wrote:

Hi,

 why so much difference, between the price of the selected item to buy, and the price for shipping?


Because shipping cost is based on the WEIGHT of the item, not the value. Pound of gold, pound of lead - it's all the same to ship.

"Laissez-faire capitalism (AKA The Great Material Continuum) is the only social system based on the recognition of individual rights and, therefore, the only system that bans force from social relationships." ~ Ayn Rand
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@richard1rst wrote:

@themitso5 wrote:

Hi,

 why so much difference, between the price of the selected item to buy, and the price for shipping?


Because shipping cost is based on the WEIGHT of the item, not the value. Pound of gold, pound of lead - it's all the same to ship.


OK, let's wander in to the absurd, using a different example and some know facts from physics.

 

lead and gold have about the same specific gravity and as such there has been lots of alchemy designed to try to change lead into gold over the years.  Also this is one problem when buy gold bards as scammer have been known to hollow out the center of a bar and fill it with lead, and finishing with a coating of gold - kind of like an M&M Candy!  So yes a pound of each of those would ship at the same rate.

 

But I think a different example might be the shipping differences between a pound of gold and a pound of feathers.  The pound of gold will fit in a small box and ship for a 2-pound rate (1-lb + packaging, round up).  However a pound of feathers because of being much less dense is going to be a larger package and if as such it exceeds 1-cubic foot in size it is going to ship as a "dimensional weight!"  Therefore, a pound of feathers could easily ship at a 3-lb or higher rate due to it's increased volume.

 

So things of the same weight "might" ship at the same cost, they might not, depending on their overall volume.

 

/end of fun physics facts!

 

 

 

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Sellers using USPS have had to increase their shipping charges due to USPS increasing their rates; plus eBay applies a 10% fee onto the sellers' shipping charges, hence sellers merely tack that fee onto the buyers. And also there's hidden handling charges, and to get by eBay's control of not allowing sellers to tack on those extra cost to shipping, some sellers simply over estimate the weight and size of the packages to cover those extra cost, or for mainland US only shipping, they'll simply apply a flat rate shipping charge based on the furthest shipping distance, with the extra cost incorporate into that flat rate charge.

 

But most all sellers incorporate those extra cost into the item's price and their shipping charges are spot-on with USPS's rates.

 

My two cents worth of guessing.

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The cost of the item has nothing to do with the cost to ship the item.  It depends on the weight, dimensions of the shipping box, shipping method and distance it must travel.  You are in Greece?  If you are shopping in the U.S.A., then expect it to cost quite a bit to get to you. 

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The seller decides the shipping cost. They can under-charge, over-charge, charge only for postage, charge a handling fee, pass on a postage discount to the buyer, or handle it any other way they want.

 

You're in Greece; where is the item you are buying? How much does it weigh? What is the stated shipping cost? How is it being shipped?

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"The cost of the item has nothing to do with the cost to ship the item."

 

Yeah, I guess that's correct in a theological principle, but, in reality, it'd be a reasonable assumption that sellers incorporate that 10% fee imposed by eBay onto any particular shipping cost, into the item's price, thus one could argue that the price of the item does reflect an aspect of shipping. But that isn't a reflection of the sellers desires, it's simply due to eBay's system and their never ending greed. : (

 

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It could be to snag buyers that search be lowest price. Another one is the seller might not know the FVF is based on both item and shipping. It was not always like that.  A buyer must always look at the total cost when selecting anyway.

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I completely agree and I'm Shocked!  I cannot believe people are defending this practice!

 

People put something like, I don't know, a metal cup worth around $5, on sale for $1, but the shipping charge is $15 even though it's light weight, and there is no chance of it breaking.  I see this every day, it's very common.

 

There are 2 reasons people do this, and it's bullsh*t.  I cannot believe eBay doesn't crack down on this practice because eBay is losing money.  It upsets me so much and I believe it's highly unethical.

 

1.some buyers only look at the price, buy it, then don't realize it much more expensive than they realized.  This gives the cheater an advantage because their item appears to cost $1 when several other sellers, selling the same item, appear to cost $15.  Some might say "it's their fault for not reading everything" but if you're new to eBay or you're old, or you simply don't assume someone is going to be a d*ck and charge you $10 to ship a watch battery, I think you can be forgiven.

 

2.eBay doesn't take a % of shipping price paid to the seller.  eBay makes most of their money on the "final value" of the item.  This includes the item price, but not shipping price.  So if seller01 sells an item for $15 with $5 shipping, they pay eBay a % of the $15.  If seller02 sells an item for $5 with $15 shipping, they only pay eBay a % of the $5, so they keep way more money.

 

The solution, as a buyer, is to search for an item and set the result sorting to "Price + Shipping: Lowest First"
eBay obviously knows people are doing this scam, which is why it's not just "Price: Lowest First"

It frustrates me to no end.  Attached is an example.  Slow 3-4 week shipping from China to the USA on a small item like this is usually < $5.  I buy these kinds of small electronics every month.

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WRONG!!  eBay does, in fact, take their % on the shipping charge too.  Plus they take their % on the sales tax amount.

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@puretones   let me answer your comments in side the comment box.
@puretones wrote:

I completely agree and I'm Shocked!  I cannot believe people are defending this practice!

 

People put something like, I don't know, a metal cup worth around $5, on sale for $1, but the shipping charge is $15 even though it's light weight, and there is no chance of it breaking.  I see this every day, it's very common.

hey, that is the seller's prerogative - list however they feel.  Buyers need to learn to shop not on "price" but on Total Price = price + shipping.  I know I got caught a few times but the I learned and adjusted the way I shop.

 

There are 2 reasons people do this, and it's bullsh*t.  I cannot believe eBay doesn't crack down on this practice because eBay is losing money. 

eBay is NOT losing money.  In the past eBay fees were on the price of the item sold only.  So scammers would list a $100 item at $1 price and $99 shipping.  yeah, in that situation ebay was losing money.  But because of dishonest people ebay now charges sellers on the total sale - Price + Shipping!  Oh and also eBay now charges the sellers "fee" on the sales tax collected!  So if an item sells to a place where there is a 10% sales tax, then the seller pays a fee (%) on the sales tax collected.

It upsets me so much and I believe it's highly unethical.

No ethics involved, just like any other transaction in this world - Caveat Emptor!

 

1.some buyers only look at the price, buy it, then don't realize it much more expensive than they realized.  This gives the cheater an advantage because their item appears to cost $1 when several other sellers, selling the same item, appear to cost $15.  Some might say "it's their fault for not reading everything" but if you're new to eBay or you're old, or you simply don't assume someone is going to be a d*ck and charge you $10 to ship a watch battery, I think you can be forgiven.

If you are a grown up or adult you learn how the game is played and play within the rules - not throw a fit when something doesn't suit you.  So buyers need to "learn" how to buy on eBay - learn to look at "total cost" not just the sales price.  I mean is it THAT difficult to adjust how one looks at buying here?  I mean if a zero like me can figure it out, I am sure you can too!

 

2.eBay doesn't take a % of shipping price paid to the seller. FALSE!  eBay makes most of their money on the "final value" of the item.  This includes the item price, but not shipping price.  So if seller01 sells an item for $15 with $5 shipping, they pay eBay a % of the $15.  If seller02 sells an item for $5 with $15 shipping, they only pay eBay a % of the $5, so they keep way more money.

Unfortunately you are ill-informed.  You don't know what you think you know.  As I noted above eBay DOES charge at FVFs on the total cost = Price + Shipping and now + Taxes the seller paid.

 

The solution, as a buyer, is to search for an item and set the result sorting to "Price + Shipping: Lowest First"

Yes!  Now you have it - That's the ticket!
eBay obviously knows people are doing this scam, which is why it's not just "Price: Lowest First"

It frustrates me to no end. 

Actually the search function is "Price = Shipping: Lowest First!

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Attached is an example.  Slow 3-4 week shipping from China to the USA on a small item like this is usually < $5.  I buy these kinds of small electronics every month.

if you are buying cheap junk from China, you are setting your self up for failure in the long run.  Only takes one of two bad sales to offset the cost of buying from the USA.  Plus time has a value too.


 

 

 

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@puretones wrote:

I completely agree and I'm Shocked!  I cannot believe people are defending this practice!

 

People put something like, I don't know, a metal cup worth around $5, on sale for $1, but the shipping charge is $15 even though it's light weight, and there is no chance of it breaking.  I see this every day, it's very common.

 

There are 2 reasons people do this, and it's bullsh*t.  I cannot believe eBay doesn't crack down on this practice because eBay is losing money.  It upsets me so much and I believe it's highly unethical.

 

1.some buyers only look at the price, buy it, then don't realize it much more expensive than they realized.  This gives the cheater an advantage because their item appears to cost $1 when several other sellers, selling the same item, appear to cost $15.  Some might say "it's their fault for not reading everything" but if you're new to eBay or you're old, or you simply don't assume someone is going to be a d*ck and charge you $10 to ship a watch battery, I think you can be forgiven.

 

2.eBay doesn't take a % of shipping price paid to the seller.  eBay makes most of their money on the "final value" of the item.  This includes the item price, but not shipping price.  So if seller01 sells an item for $15 with $5 shipping, they pay eBay a % of the $15.  If seller02 sells an item for $5 with $15 shipping, they only pay eBay a % of the $5, so they keep way more money.

 

The solution, as a buyer, is to search for an item and set the result sorting to "Price + Shipping: Lowest First"
eBay obviously knows people are doing this scam, which is why it's not just "Price: Lowest First"

It frustrates me to no end.  Attached is an example.  Slow 3-4 week shipping from China to the USA on a small item like this is usually < $5.  I buy these kinds of small electronics every month.


Wow, so much bad info. eBay has charged their final value fee on what the buyer pays for shipping since 2011, for exactly the reason you outlined, i.e. sellers were gaming the system by charging a $1 item price with inflated shipping. eBay isn't losing anything.

 

Further, as you said, when you do a search on eBay, you can sort by price + shipping, eliminating the advantage of fooling with the shipping cost. So that's not an issue either.

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