12-27-2022 12:40 PM - edited 12-27-2022 12:43 PM
This has been discussed here before, but I thought I'd give it a refresh for the sake of discussion and attention. eBay's selling fees includes the sales tax collected on your sale. I just sold a higher priced item and was surprised that they included the sales tax amount in their final fee collection.
eBay is essentially charging sellers for handling state tax collection. This is tax that is never given to or handled by the seller. It's a tax charged by eBay, then sent, by eBay, to the customer's state. The whole thing seems like a racket to skim off sales tax collection, just to make final selling fees appear lower.
Collecting state sales tax is a necessity for some state's infrastructure upkeep. Infrastructure that we all use, including eBay, to get customer's their stuff. It seems slimy to charge for this service, yet we'll blame the tax man instead of questioning eBay's fees. It all feels very sneaky and is deterring me from selling higher priced items on their platform.
Any thoughts or complaints out there?
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12-27-2022 02:57 PM
@sarcodes wrote:The whole thing seems like a racket to skim off sales tax collection, just to make final selling fees appear lower.
To a degree, it is. But at the same time, so what? You know (or should know) what the fees are going in. So you gotta ask yourself whether or not you can make money if you sell it here based on the fee structure. If you can't. Maybe you need to sell it elsewhere.
That's it. It doesn't matter if the fees are 5% or 95%. All that matters is if you can make still money on what the fees are. And possibly as much money as you want. And even then, if you don't like paying it. There are other places to sell on.
Having said that, nobody likes fees. But the amount of posts over something you can't control gets old. Although, it was a common thing in the Amazon forums back when I checked them too. So maybe people just hope they'll get the company to give in or something.
12-27-2022 03:03 PM
@joliztoyco wrote:Yes. As a matter of fact I would rather "do it myself". It's a simple program you can buy in hundreds of places.
Simply google: Davo....it not only tracks and collects sales taxes by states...it also files and pays it when it's due.
I don't need Ebay to do it....and take MORE of my money. But this is neither here nor there.
Ebay doesn't give us an option.....
The tax is a marketplace tax. eBay is a marketplace. By law, they submit the tax to the states in aggregate. It's why they don't give us the option.
12-27-2022 03:03 PM
Ive often thought with all these complainers, that Ebay should allow them to collect their own sales tax, and remit it to the proper states..at least it would give the boards a break from the constant repetitive posts about it.
12-27-2022 03:03 PM
@r_lresale wrote:So I'm wondering that if I take a credit card payment from a customer directly . . .
You mean taking transaction off eBay? That's a huge policy violation.
12-27-2022 03:07 PM
@joliztoyco wrote:
I don't need Ebay to do it....and take MORE of my money. But this is neither here nor there.
Ebay doesn't give us an option.....
The law requires eBay, as a third-party marketplace, to compute, assess, collect and distribute sales taxes for purchases made through their website. They don't have a choice--nor do TPMP sellers.
12-27-2022 03:15 PM
@bonjourami wrote:Ive often thought with all these complainers, that Ebay should allow them to collect their own sales tax, and remit it to the proper states..at least it would give the boards a break from the constant repetitive posts about it.
They'd be replaced by posts howling about having to collect and remit sales tax, and that eBay should do it.
12-27-2022 03:16 PM
@joliztoyco wrote:Yes. As a matter of fact I would rather "do it myself". It's a simple program you can buy in hundreds of places.
Simply google: Davo....it not only tracks and collects sales taxes by states...it also files and pays it when it's due.
I don't need Ebay to do it....and take MORE of my money. But this is neither here nor there.
Ebay doesn't give us an option.....
How many sellers didn’t even bother collecting & remitting sales tax when they sold to someone within their own state? I’m sure it would work out well to leave collecting & remitting sales tax across the country.
12-27-2022 03:20 PM
I would not recommend selling any high priced items on eBay as their fees are higher then other venues, and eBay's seller protection is a joke helping the buyer NOT the seller. God help you if some scammer files a NASD eBay lets them have them and the $$ in many cases!
12-27-2022 03:21 PM
meant> have the item and the $$
12-27-2022 03:55 PM
The best part of the Marketplace Sales Tax system is that it has eliminated the scam sellers who were charging Sales Tax to buyers and pocketing the money.
12-27-2022 03:58 PM
No I don't and would never suggest or advise someone to take a sale off ebay! I was asking OP that when I take CC locally for my business the processer I go through charges their fee on total amount including tax as well. Basically, If my business charges/incorporates a fee or handling charge similar/comparable to ebay's fees based on total transaction and "profiting" do they consider that shady behavior or is it only shady when ebay does it?
Even if marketplaces didn't remit tax for sellers every card transaction process fee is based on total amount of
purchase and based on what processers charge business's to process payments why would it be wrong for ebay to include it within their fees for providing a way for you to sell and get paid as well? I just don't get why people think it's ok for companies to take losses as a cost of doing business but if it cuts into their bottom line those same practices shouldn't apply to them.
12-27-2022 04:15 PM
"Collecting state sales tax is a necessity for some state's infrastructure upkeep. Infrastructure that we all use, including eBay, to get customer's their stuff. It seems slimy to charge for this service, yet we'll blame the tax man instead of questioning eBay's fees. It all feels very sneaky and is deterring me from selling higher priced items on their platform."
If only it were that easy. Do you have any idea how many different tax jurisdictions there are in the US?
Over 10k the last time I looked because someone thought they were being ripped off.
Many with their own forms, payment methods, submission dates and processes. Oh, and let's not forget updates and adjustments to the rates themselves and those processes as well.
The process involved in this is not an easy one, nor is it one without constant expenses.
I for one am HAPPY to pay a small percentage to eBay to handle that mess for me.
12-28-2022 07:03 AM
It still amazes me how much confusion there is over this.
1.) eBay isn't handling sales tax on behalf of sellers, they handle it on behalf of buyers and the states.
Sales tax is and always has been the buyer's obligation to pay to their state - the seller (or now the marketplace) has simply been required to facilitate that collection in certain circumstances.
For those who claim they would rather eBay charge them fees for this "service" than have to do it themselves, I would ask how many of those many states and jurisdictions would you legally be required to collect for if it wasn't eBay's obligation under Marketplace Facilitator laws?
My guess is for the large majority of sellers it would be 0-1, just like it was previously, with a few having more than that if they are large companies with physical nexus in multiple states or make enough sales to each state to pass the economic nexus thresholds.
If you don't know what economic nexus is, here's a breakdown, but generally speaking most states you would have to have a minimum of $100,000 in sales to that state in a year.
https://www.avalara.com/us/en/learn/guides/state-by-state-guide-economic-nexus-laws.html
2.) Everyone else does it...kind of.
PayPal and credit card processors charge their fees on sales tax - usually in the ~2-3% range.
Etsy charges their 2.9% payment processing fee on the tax amount, but not the 6.5% commission.
For seller fulfilled orders, Amazon does not charge any fees on Amazon collected Marketplace Facilitator taxes. If the seller has direct tax collection obligations and opts to use Amazon's tax calculation service, a 2.9% processing fee applies to the tax amount only, separate from Amazon's referral fee on the item price + shipping - and even this will be pretty much a moot point as the few states with sales tax that didn't have Marketplace Facilitator laws before finally get on the band wagon.
So yes, it's fair to say others do it too, but I also believe that's an argument of false equivalency as ~3% is very different from the variable percentages here on eBay which can go as high as 15% in some categories.
3.) eBay has to cover their cost of compliance
Many states offer incentives that provide credits or rebates for filing sales tax early or electronically. These incentives may allow the merchant (or marketplace) to retain a small percentage of the tax collected, which can help offset the costs of compliance.
Presumably eBay would at least be eligible for the same incentives as any seller, if not possibly even more favorable terms - like the sweet 15 year tax sharing deal they cut with the city of San Jose to designate all sales on the site that ship anywhere in California as having occurred at eBay HQ, thus allowing the city to collect the local tax that would normally be spread out amongst various cities in the state where buyers actually reside.
That means in California, other cities aren't even getting their share for infrastructure upkeep or anything else the local portion of the tax would normally be used for.
San Jose gets 1% of all CA sales and eBay gets a kickback of 30% of anything they collect over $5 million a year.
If other companies and payment processors can cover their costs of compliance at ~3%, not to mention a tax sharing deal estimated to be worth ~$150 Million...eBay absolutely does not need to charge the full FVF on sales tax just to cover their costs.
Can they do it? So far it would appear so since it hasn't been successfully legally challenged.
But that doesn't mean it's unreasonable to question the ethics of it or to feel like it's a bit sneaky or slimy.
12-28-2022 08:08 AM
No complaints. I consider it to be a bargain for having to keep track of the 10,000+ various sales tax laws and rates. Some simple math for every $100 in sale value of an item for a state that has a 7% tax rate the FVF's on the sales tax of $7 amounts to around 89 cents. Simple solution estimate the sales tax FVF and adjust your pricing.
12-28-2022 08:30 AM - edited 12-28-2022 08:34 AM
You are aware that Davo (or similar) is not free....(it's a nice program)
How much does DAVO Cost? $49.99 per location, per month.
Some quick and dirty reverse engineering numbers indicates that, based on an 7.5% sales tax collection rate average, and a 12.9% FVF you would only need to sell around $5100.00/month or $61,200.00 annually to pay for the privilege of doing it yourself to make it cost effective (break even on the 49.00 cost) instead of the responsibility of collecting/remitting and reconciling by ebay.....
yep....makes sense to me
Let your judgements not be deterred by facts