What is a "FAIR" price range for a can of Lysol Disinfectant Spray?

[9llchingy]

I listed 3 large cans of Lysol for auction starting at $9.95 and a Buy It Now price of $74.95. I had a buyer pay for two of my listing paying the $74.95 for each. Ebay emails me payment confirmation and to ship both orders. I go to post office first thing next morning and ship both orders and file the tracking number with Ebay and buyer. Then I get an email from Ebay the payment is on HOLD. 

     I checked listings prior to putting up my own auctions. I saw hundreds of auctions and sold auction with much higher prices then the price I listed. Why is my auctions being put on hold and buyers returned their payments AFTER I shipped some of my orders. What is a FAIR price for Lysol? Please I can't afford to ship items and pay shipping cost and not get paid for items I shipped. Many sellers like myself have to go to the post office at risk of getting infected, is it really to much to ask for $20 to $30 for one large can of Lysol?

[mesodude]

It doesn't matter if you start it at a penny. The only reason that anyone is willing to spend exponentially more right now than what they'd usually pay for such products is that they are scarce (or perceived to be scarce). And they're only scarce because they're being hoarded.

[bghunter916]

Defending those who are wrong does not make you RIGHT..

[cynthealee2]

@equid0x 

Whether or not it will be thrown out of court or the seller will pay fines, or get jail time...

They still have to show up in court, missing work days, hire a lawyer and pay said lawyer, and if they are big enough get shamed all over their city, state and even country through media and or social media...  Is it REALLY worth the hassle?

Not to mention getting banned from ever selling on eBay, amazon, or w/e on-line market place they are selling the items on?

[equid0x]

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@cynthealee2 wrote:

@equid0x 

Whether or not it will be thrown out of court or the seller will pay fines, or get jail time...

They still have to show up in court, missing work days, hire a lawyer and pay said lawyer, and if they are big enough get shamed all over their city, state and even country through media and or social media...  Is it REALLY worth the hassle?

Not to mention getting banned from ever selling on eBay, amazon, or w/e on-line market place they are selling the items on?

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Not necessarily. If the complaints are baseless the DA will likely arrange for a dismissal. I can't see them continuing with a prosecution if the seller is able to produce evidence during discovery that what they were charging was legit.

Additionally, there are a couple steps to go through before criminal charges are filed. They will receive a warning from the state licensing board likely followed by an administrative penalty if the do not come into compliance. Only after that would a criminal investigation typically be started.

[long-gone]

@equid0x  What type of law degree do you have and where did you get it?

[jaad_6732]

Price gouging is a markup of over 20 to 30% after a emergency is declared by the president. Its a prosecutable crime of a fine of 10,000 dollars and a prison sentence of 1yr.  So if you purchased a item for 5$ and sold it for 20$ its a 400% markup and definitely qualifies.  

[lightlily_arts]

Can we all just report these sellers  of cleaning products for price gouging and prevent the sales

[cynthealee2]

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@equid0x wrote:

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@cynthealee2 wrote:

@equid0x 

Whether or not it will be thrown out of court or the seller will pay fines, or get jail time...

They still have to show up in court, missing work days, hire a lawyer and pay said lawyer, and if they are big enough get shamed all over their city, state and even country through media and or social media...  Is it REALLY worth the hassle?

Not to mention getting banned from ever selling on eBay, amazon, or w/e on-line market place they are selling the items on?

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Not necessarily. If the complaints are baseless the DA will likely arrange for a dismissal. I can't see them continuing with a prosecution if the seller is able to produce evidence during discovery that what they were charging was legit.

Additionally, there are a couple steps to go through before criminal charges are filed. They will receive a warning from the state licensing board likely followed by an administrative penalty if the do not come into compliance. Only after that would a criminal investigation typically be started.

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The news stories I'm seeing (and have posted to the various threads) seem to be skipping a lot of those steps and going pretty straight to the stop it now, the cops show up, and then they are 'encouraged' to donate and or it just flat out got taken... not to mention the whole shaming thing.

The one with the masks I'd bet that one is going to be mad enough to prosecute... the masks were by and large unusable by anyone with the mold and what not growing on them. I have a feeling that DA is going to find something to charge him with... if nothing else for getting their hopes up then dashing them and wasting their time.

I got no issue being wrong... my entire point is and has been is it worth the effort on the CHANCE you can get in some serious trouble 3 different ways from Sunday? 

[good-blessings]

This is very true -- they get institutional products in bulk.  A first I was struck in a negative way by the listing of these items and what folks were paying-- but then after going out and finding my own cans for $4 at Walmart realized that if someone has the money to afford a can for household use and wants to pay $1500 for a can, then so be it. There are not shortages out there like folks think, and some people can afford $1500 for a can and maybe it is worth it for them... there are many people who ma want to support a seller for this as well -- so I am back and forth on this subject now that I know people can still get them for $4 if they want to venture out.   

[good-blessings]

Since when is Lysol a product that people need to live? It is not like water or food or even medical devices. I do not understand this issue at all now that I have watched it develop. This product is not a life-saving product and while it is something that can be used to disinfect, so can anything with alcohol in it -- the virus is very susceptible to even wipes but it is not something we need to live. 

[good-blessings]

But, if it is an auction and people choose to pay a premium for a product that is not something that sustains us, why the hysteria? It seems people might want to blame capitalism instead of individuals on here. I agree listing a product like this for more than 10% is questionable, but when it's listed for .99 and the market drives it up to $235 at auction, that may be a good price for someone who chooses to spend their money that way.  I do not fully understand this issue why auctions are being sanctioned. Auctions do not have the same implications as Buy It Now or fixed listings. 

[voguevintage]

You can argue that the OP's BIN is high, but who hasn't run an auction and set an absurdly high BIN for any auction just in case someone wants to VOLUNTARILY pay that?

Outside of that, it's IMPOSSIBLE to "price gouge" an auction. The seller isn't setting or deciding on the price, the buyers are doing that.

[andypa_81]

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Attempting to profit off an international crisis is wrong no matter how you hack it.

Those that are defending or making excuses for this behavior, stop. When your people get sick because they couldn't get the supplies they needed to stay healthy because of hoarders selling it on eBay, don't come back here and expect sympathy.

I've had to go to a gas station to go to the bathroom for the last week because I can't find toilet paper anywhere. I'm ready to start dragging my rump across my hoarder neighbors yard like a dog in the hope she'll take pity and sell me a few rolls at a huge mark up.

I'm running low on laundry soap dish, dish soap and hand/bath soap, and I'm praying that I can find something somewhere.

Those of you defending these jerks need to really pay attention to the news and realize, because people are hoarding, it's the situation is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Profiting from tragedy and fear is never okay

[equid0x]

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@cynthealee2 wrote:

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@equid0x wrote:

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@cynthealee2 wrote:

@equid0x 

Whether or not it will be thrown out of court or the seller will pay fines, or get jail time...

They still have to show up in court, missing work days, hire a lawyer and pay said lawyer, and if they are big enough get shamed all over their city, state and even country through media and or social media...  Is it REALLY worth the hassle?

Not to mention getting banned from ever selling on eBay, amazon, or w/e on-line market place they are selling the items on?

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Not necessarily. If the complaints are baseless the DA will likely arrange for a dismissal. I can't see them continuing with a prosecution if the seller is able to produce evidence during discovery that what they were charging was legit.

Additionally, there are a couple steps to go through before criminal charges are filed. They will receive a warning from the state licensing board likely followed by an administrative penalty if the do not come into compliance. Only after that would a criminal investigation typically be started.

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The news stories I'm seeing (and have posted to the various threads) seem to be skipping a lot of those steps and going pretty straight to the stop it now, the cops show up, and then they are 'encouraged' to donate and or it just flat out got taken... not to mention the whole shaming thing.

The one with the masks I'd bet that one is going to be mad enough to prosecute... the masks were by and large unusable by anyone with the mold and what not growing on them. I have a feeling that DA is going to find something to charge him with... if nothing else for getting their hopes up then dashing them and wasting their time.

I got no issue being wrong... my entire point is and has been is it worth the effort on the CHANCE you can get in some serious trouble 3 different ways from Sunday? 

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Its propaganda. There are pretty much NO sellers who are going to jail for "price gouging." They will most likely be fined, then it will be business as usual. 

I think for jail time to even be a serious consideration in one of these cases, the seller would have to be doing something REALLY egregious, like hoarding ventilators. 

Seriously, sending people to jail for selling paper towels? 

[equid0x]

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@good-blessings wrote:

This is very true -- they get institutional products in bulk.  A first I was struck in a negative way by the listing of these items and what folks were paying-- but then after going out and finding my own cans for $4 at Walmart realized that if someone has the money to afford a can for household use and wants to pay $1500 for a can, then so be it. There are not shortages out there like folks think, and some people can afford $1500 for a can and maybe it is worth it for them... there are many people who ma want to support a seller for this as well -- so I am back and forth on this subject now that I know people can still get them for $4 if they want to venture out.   

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I think its more likely the seller went out of stock, and changed to an impossibly high price to "hold" the listing. Its technically against the rules, but its a pretty common practice for large sellers on multi-item listings. 

I strongly doubt anyone is dumb enough to actually pay $1500 for a can of Lysol. If the listing shows sold, its probably because some troll purposely "bought" it just to stick it to the seller and has no intent to make payment.