01-30-2019 12:11 PM - edited 01-30-2019 12:12 PM
This was getting discussed on a thread that got really long and had many subjects within it. This particular portion of that thread is very interesting and we all need further clarification on both as buyers and sellers.
When a seller sets up a listing and uses a UPC or ISBN but does NOT select the box to auto fill the listing with info from the Ebay catalog, it was brought up on this other thread that even though the seller does not select that auto fill box, the information WILL display for those using the Mobile app to view listings.
I hope I got that right. If I didn't, I'm confident some of the others that participated on the other thread will pop in and share more information with us.
@Anonymous
Further the Ebay UA that we all have agreed to so that we can sell here holds the seller's responsible for the accuracy of the Ebay catalog. Here is an excerpt from the Content section of the UA.
We offer product data (including images, descriptions and specifications) that are provided by third parties (including eBay users). You may use that content solely in your eBay listings. eBay may modify or revoke that permission at any time in our sole discretion. The product data includes copyrighted, trademarked and other proprietary materials. You agree not to remove any copyright, proprietary, or identification markings in the product data and not to create any derivative works based on that data (other than by including the data in your listings).
We try to offer reliable product data, but cannot promise that the content provided through the Services will always be available, accurate, complete, and up-to-date. You agree that eBay is not responsible for examining or warranting the listings or content provided by third parties through the Services, and that you will not attempt to hold us or our data providers liable for inaccuracies. As a seller, you agree to ensure that content directly associated with your listings is accurate.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259#9.%20Content
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01-30-2019 01:56 PM
@sharingtheland wrote:Trinton said in the other thread that even if you change your title/description to accurately reflect your widget, the catalog information beats that.
I searched all Trinton's replies and could not find the post that says regardless of what you say in your title and description that Ebay will do nothing for you and the prefilled info over-rides your listing. Could you please provide the post that says that.
01-30-2019 02:01 PM
@coolections wrote:
@sharingtheland wrote:Trinton said in the other thread that even if you change your title/description to accurately reflect your widget, the catalog information beats that.
I searched all Trinton's replies and could not find the post that says regardless of what you say in your title and description that Ebay will do nothing for you and the prefilled info over-rides your listing. Could you please provide the post that says that.
It's implied since he said all have to agree or you lose, so that means if the prefilled info doesn't match then you lose. Call it over ride or whatever, the end result is the same. The title/description/photo isn't enough to not be overridden by the prefilled info. It's all or nothing.
01-30-2019 02:01 PM
Maybe post 207, while not Trinton's post, it does contain a post that the other poster may have been referring to.
01-30-2019 02:19 PM
I truly don't have time to go back through the multi pages of that thread but, if not in those specific words, Trinton said that repeatedly.
01-30-2019 02:22 PM
If you think about it that has ALWAYS been the case. If you make a listing that is confusing to a buyer (without specifically stating what you are selling), then a buyer has a right to return the item. Thus the reason for stating the seller is responsible for their listing regardless of the product info.
01-30-2019 02:25 PM
@coolections wrote:If you think about it that has ALWAYS been the case. If you make a listing that is confusing to a buyer (without specifically stating what you are selling), then a buyer has a right to return the item. Thus the reason for stating the seller is responsible for their listing regardless of the product info.
I think you are missing the point entirely. But OK, if that is the way you want to look at it. You are entitled. But just for the record, the point you are describing above is NOT the problem, it is the result.
01-30-2019 03:04 PM
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First it sounds like everyone is concerned about how the catalog info appears on your listing and ignoring the catalog page itself. At some time (who knows when) the listing page will not be seen, only the product page...which will be a conglomeration of pictures with titles representing the listings. click on one of those, the individual listing will then be viewable.
However.........since one can buy from the catalog page, it is questionable how many will actually ever see the listing page. Similar to Amazon.
In trying to set this up.......ebay has apparently tried to rely on AI, which has not worked well, nor is it presently working well..... While some new cat pages are being set up when the listings are made via seller hub, many apparently are still being made by AI.........and while most may be accurate (I have no way of telling how many), many are totally inaccurate........old and new.
Take a look at this product page and then look at the listing itself.
(click the tiny blue see more just under return)
That listing is not for three boxes..........
I'm not going to make a book out of this...........but there are plenty more problems........how to correct the product pages, either the info in them, the title, or get an item off the page.......
As far as UPCs are concerned, just leaving them out doesn't always exclude the item from a Product page......which can add an item to an existing page without the knowledge of the seller. There was a post on the board a couple of days ago about one seller advising not to use the UPC to keep from getting on the PP........and I showed him one of his items that was on a PP without him having the UPC. If you have the brand and the MPN, that will be enough, or at least so I was told sometime ago and seems to continue to work. I would also point out it's not just "new" stuff that has or is on product pages, plenty of used items are there also.
I go post problems over on the PP, where apparently Syed doesn't respond anymore, he may be gone; but another Blue does........to the extent that he will try to get the pages corrected........not always correctly. It's a small effort, but I want the problems publicly posted.........on the off chance they can/will actually figure out a way to correct the base cause of the problems, not just the problems themselves. I encourage anyone to post also ....using concrete examples, not rants........
If we have to live with this eventually, in my opinion, it behooves us to try to "help" them to get it right.........
01-30-2019 03:07 PM
Personally I do not feel I am missing the point at all. It's actually more common sense than anything. If it's confusing to a buyer they can return because they didn't get what they thought they where buying. Perfect example is the game without the adapter. Write a good title and description and check the accuracy when submitting the listing and you will avoid most problems.
01-30-2019 03:09 PM
@mam98031 wrote:
This was getting discussed on a thread that got really long and had many subjects within it. This particular portion of that thread is very interesting and we all need further clarification on both as buyers and sellers.
When a seller sets up a listing and uses a UPC or ISBN but does NOT select the box to auto fill the listing with info from the Ebay catalog, it was brought up on this other thread that even though the seller does not select that auto fill box, the information WILL display for those using the Mobile app to view listings.
I hope I got that right. If I didn't, I'm confident some of the others that participated on the other thread will pop in and share more information with us.
@Anonymous
Further the Ebay UA that we all have agreed to so that we can sell here holds the seller's responsible for the accuracy of the Ebay catalog. Here is an excerpt from the Content section of the UA.
We offer product data (including images, descriptions and specifications) that are provided by third parties (including eBay users). You may use that content solely in your eBay listings. eBay may modify or revoke that permission at any time in our sole discretion. The product data includes copyrighted, trademarked and other proprietary materials. You agree not to remove any copyright, proprietary, or identification markings in the product data and not to create any derivative works based on that data (other than by including the data in your listings).
We try to offer reliable product data, but cannot promise that the content provided through the Services will always be available, accurate, complete, and up-to-date. You agree that eBay is not responsible for examining or warranting the listings or content provided by third parties through the Services, and that you will not attempt to hold us or our data providers liable for inaccuracies. As a seller, you agree to ensure that content directly associated with your listings is accurate.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259#9.%20Content
Hi @mam98031, thanks for starting a new thread on this topic. Some confusion has arisen lately regarding this topic and I'm happy to work towards clearing it up.
When listing an item, if a seller either 1) provides a UPC that is associated with an item in our catalog or 2) selects an item in our catalog as an indication that they are selling on of those items, the item will be connected to our product catalog from that point on. Though a seller can uncheck the box at the top of the listing that states Prefill this listing with eBay catalog info, the seller is not able to opt out of the catalog information being presented to potential buyers. This checkbox option simply determines if details from our catalog (photo, title, some item details, etc.) will be used by default in the listing. The seller has already connected the item to our catalog by providing the UPC or by directly selecting that item from our catalog. The catalog details may be visible to buyers directly from the listing or by the buyer navigating to the product page related to that product identifier.
Though it has been brought to our attention that this is displaying differently on Mobile than on a Desktop, the product identifier would be visible on the desktop and the seller is responsible for the product information associated with this product identifier. The view between different devices may not always be the same, but these details would only appear in the mobile version if the seller has associated their item with the catalog.
Electing to not prefill the listing with eBay catalog info does not disassociate the listing from this info, it simply allows the seller to provide their own details in the listing. If something within our product catalog is incorrect, this can be reported and adjusted by our dedicated teams. We actively review product information to ensure accuracy and are available to investigate anything we've missed as soon as it is brought to our attention. I personally reported some duplicate products yesterday afternoon and after just checking I was able to confirm the duplicates have been consolidated.
While we do work to ensure that our catalog is as accurate as possible, there may be incorrect details associated with a product from time to time. If an issue occurs on a seller's account related to an eBay product catalog error, we will work to take responsibility. This may mean removing defects or feedback, compensating a seller for return shipping costs or even covering a refund to the buyer ourselves with no fault to the seller. While a seller is responsible for the information in their listing and would be at fault if they gave the wrong product information/selected the wrong item from our catalog, if the details in our catalog are incorrect then we will work to resolve this as soon as possible. The specifics of any given situation would need to be reviewed as the unique details would determine what protections are appropriate.
01-30-2019 03:20 PM
@coolections wrote:Personally I do not feel I am missing the point at all. It's actually more common sense than anything. If it's confusing to a buyer they can return because they didn't get what they thought they where buying. Perfect example is the game without the adapter. Write a good title and description and check the accuracy when submitting the listing and you will avoid most problems.
I know you don't but that doesn't change my earlier statement. You are concentrating on what results from the problem I outlined in my opening statement and I'm trying to concentrate on keeping the problem from existing in the first place.
1. Ebay should NOT include prefill information on a listing in when viewed in the mobile app when the seller set up the listing specifically excluding the prefill information from the catalog.
2. Ebay is holding sellers responsible for the accuracy of the catalog. Sellers can report issues with the catalog, but we can't change what the catalog says. That is in Ebay's control.
You are correct and I said so earlier to you. A buyer has the right to see complete and concise information on a listing. It IS the seller's responsibility to make sure that happens. All sellers, without exception.
With that in mind, that is what we are trying to do here. We all want our listings to be accurate. But to do so, we need Ebay not to arbitrarily add or remove stuff. A seller has every right to know what is contained in their listings at all times, without exception. Who's information is right and who's is wrong is a separate issue.
The fact that a buyer has the right to be upset and/or file a claim on conflicting information is a completely separate issue and is the RESULT of the varying information that may be the because Ebay inserted information that the seller had no idea was there to begin with.
Now you may be of a different opinion. You may believe that Ebay has the right to change a seller's description whenever they deem fit and the seller will still need to be responsible for it. IDK. But if that is your position I respect your right to have that opinion. I just don't share it. Nothing more than that.
It was not my intention to concentrate on the impact on the buyer of a given listing. it was my intent to concentrate on the CAUSE of the information appearing on a seller's listing that the seller did not know was going to appear.
01-30-2019 03:25 PM
@Anonymous
That is excellent information and I thank you for spending the time to get all of that said. While I may personally take issue with some of what you said, at least I understand it better which will enable me to work within the system better.
Do we have any idea how long it will take to get the Mobile app fixed?
01-30-2019 03:44 PM
@mam98031 wrote:
@Anonymous
That is excellent information and I thank you for spending the time to get all of that said. While I may personally take issue with some of what you said, at least I understand it better which will enable me to work within the system better.
Do we have any idea how long it will take to get the Mobile app fixed?
Hi @mam98031, happy to clarify anywhere I can No update to provide for the app, and it is also possible that changes may be seen in the desktop view if we find that the catalog information should be more visible from that page instead. Either way, I will work on passing along the feedback from here on the boards!
01-30-2019 03:50 PM
. Though a seller can uncheck the box at the top of the listing that states Prefill this listing with eBay catalog info, the seller is not able to opt out of the catalog information being presented to potential buyers.
Are you saying then that "unchecking" the box is just a cosmetic procedure? Ebay will add what they want, when they want, regardless of the seller's selection?
01-30-2019 03:54 PM
That’s pretty much it!
01-30-2019 03:58 PM
@Anonymous wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:@Anonymous
That is excellent information and I thank you for spending the time to get all of that said. While I may personally take issue with some of what you said, at least I understand it better which will enable me to work within the system better.
Do we have any idea how long it will take to get the Mobile app fixed?
Hi @mam98031, happy to clarify anywhere I can
No update to provide for the app, and it is also possible that changes may be seen in the desktop view if we find that the catalog information should be more visible from that page instead. Either way, I will work on passing along the feedback from here on the boards!
Well if Ebay goes that direction, then there would be no need to have the box on the listing form that would allow us to NOT have the catalog prefill appear on our listings. If Ebay is going to do it anyway, then I suggest not adding to misunderstandings an aggravation by giving the sellers an option that isn't an option. And I further suggest that Ebay be very communicative in sharing this with the sellers so we know what is going to appear on our listings.
Not just an announcement notification, but something actually flagging us on the listing form that the prefill will be showing. That would only be fair if we are going to be held to the catalogs accuracy. It will slow down listing significantly for some sellers while the proof read and submit adjustments needed. But at least we are informed so that we can do the best job we can.
And PLEASE share with the team NOT to start this just short of the next holiday season. Spring or summer would be best as this will create work, lots of work for sellers that have the desire to do it right.