There is no protection for sellers.. even after an appeal!
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‎09-10-2019 10:10 AM
I had a customer return an iPhone (buyers remorse) but didn't remove her icloud lock. I emailed her twice with no response. I contacted eBay, their response was, wait for the case to close, once it closes call us back and we can appeal it. I did as I was told. When I called back, they sent me a form to "SHOW" how the customer sent it back. (Funny thing, they never tell buyers who make claims to take a picture and send it in). Anyway, I took a picture of the icloud locked screen showing the buyers name/email address. Clearly a locked screen asking for password. The reply back from eBay? After telling me how fantastic I am and how much they appreciate me selling on the eBay platform, the next line was: Please understand that we can not find a definitive proof that the buyer caused the issue... Did I mention the buyers' name/email address was on the locked screen that I took a picture of? In addition, did they not see the emails I sent to the buyer (that were not returned, asking for her to remove the phone from icloud? I called back in this morning. No different answer. No resolution. No support. No protection. No nothing.
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‎09-10-2019 11:54 PM
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‎09-11-2019 05:16 AM
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‎09-11-2019 02:43 PM
Well, I did exactly what you wrote. Here's the "lip service" reply I got from the chat:
Hi @chasearooauctions, these kinds of situations can be frustrating and we do offer protection in some situations based on the details of the transaction and the history of the accounts involved. Often times additional documentation cannot be taken into consideration as there are challenges with verifying the documents or knowing definitively that the documentation provided is related to the item that was sold, or that the issue you are reporting was because of your customer.
We put our trust in our sellers to describe what they shipped accurately in the listing, and we put the same trust in our buyers to describe what they received accurately. If there is a discrepancy between these two descriptions, a return would be expected. Each member has an opportunity to provide their description of the item and additional information is rarely able to be taken into consideration.
Contacting Customer Service is the appropriate route to take to pursue protection, this simply won't always be an option. Every business has to deal with loss/shrink, factoring the cost into their business model. I know this is not the answer you may have been hoping for, but if Customer Service has reviewed your appeal and found that we are unable to provide compensation then this would be our final decision unless a mistake was made in the original case decision (ie. the buyer admitted in messaging to altering/damaging the item, sending back a different item, or taking some action that would disqualify them for protection).
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‎09-11-2019 02:46 PM - edited ‎09-11-2019 02:47 PM
I was on the phone today with a supervisor in the appeals department. His exact words to me were "You're not going to like what I'm about to say, but there is no protection for the seller. If a buyer opens a not as described case and sends back a brick, we'll still give the buyer all their money back"
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‎09-11-2019 02:54 PM
A not as described case. There was nothing wrong with the handset, she got a free return out of the deal. Yes, based on the advice from the service rep. She said "let the case close on its own. Don't make a partial refund. Once the case closes, call us back and we'll file an appeal. When I called back, the guy I spoke said he was going to send me a link and to upload anything I had. I took a picture of the lock screen that shows the buyers email address (which was her first name. lastname at google and underneath that screen, of course, it shows password. The decision was the no proof message. I called back on it and the supervisor told me to get a police report. I told the supervisor, there was no crime committed, I'm not going to get a police report. He didn't have an answer and was no help. It was a complete waste of time and energy. My new expectations from eBay and their seller protection li[p service are no expectations.
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‎09-11-2019 05:57 PM
more of a seller but I do buy on occasion. ebay is not that bad and I rely on it to pay bills. it is what you make of it. some bad but more good. much better than all the other sites more pluralistic. you just have to take the good with the bad
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‎09-11-2019 06:02 PM
@chasearooauctions wrote:Well, I did exactly what you wrote. Here's the "lip service" reply I got from the chat:
Hi @chasearooauctions, these kinds of situations can be frustrating and we do offer protection in some situations based on the details of the transaction and the history of the accounts involved. Often times additional documentation cannot be taken into consideration as there are challenges with verifying the documents or knowing definitively that the documentation provided is related to the item that was sold, or that the issue you are reporting was because of your customer.
We put our trust in our sellers to describe what they shipped accurately in the listing, and we put the same trust in our buyers to describe what they received accurately. If there is a discrepancy between these two descriptions, a return would be expected. Each member has an opportunity to provide their description of the item and additional information is rarely able to be taken into consideration.
Contacting Customer Service is the appropriate route to take to pursue protection, this simply won't always be an option. Every business has to deal with loss/shrink, factoring the cost into their business model. I know this is not the answer you may have been hoping for, but if Customer Service has reviewed your appeal and found that we are unable to provide compensation then this would be our final decision unless a mistake was made in the original case decision (ie. the buyer admitted in messaging to altering/damaging the item, sending back a different item, or taking some action that would disqualify them for protection).
sorry brother that was a crapy response by the team. not sure I would ever sell anything of great value after that response. I make a living here and I hate to see anyone get screwed but it looks like you were I am sorry about that. sorry I got your hopes up
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‎09-12-2019 04:59 AM - edited ‎09-12-2019 05:01 AM
@cashvaluerecovery2011 wrote:
Then there should not be a promise of seller protection.
What specifically was that "promise" that they failed to keep?
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/seller-protection-policy?id=4345
When it comes to the incident you mentioned, the only promise I see is that before you ask ebay to step in to help, you can deducts up to 50% of the refund if the item was damaged. But by asking eBay to step in and help, you are opening yourself up to eBay's discretion again 🙂
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‎09-12-2019 05:22 AM
OP, have you contacted Apple and explained the situation? You have the original purchase receipt and your icloud will have a history of being associated with the device.
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‎09-12-2019 07:03 AM

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