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Stop Selling on eBay. Return Policy. Double Listing Fees.

I've been selling items on eBay stochastically for 10 years now. Recent selling experience has caused me to pull all of my listings.

 

eBay's new Buying system encourages customers to return items. Instead of having buyers simply push the "Leave Feedback" button, eBay has made it super easy for customers to return items - without paying for the return shipping. The "Leave Feedback" button has changed to "Return Item." An obvious way eBay can help sellers is by making it a little harder for Buying Customers to go through the process of returning an item. Instead, returning an item is clear as day for Buying Customers and the first button available after a sale.

 

Additionally as many Sellers know, eBay takes a transaction sum immediately after the sale AND a final value sum after the end of the month. This is ridiculous.

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Unfortunately rixstuff, your return policy is negated by eBay's Buyer Protection Policy. If a Buyer returns an item labeled SNAD (Sale Not As Described), you will have to have the item returned and you will have to pay for the return shipping.
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And if you read his statement even though you are bending over backwards and providing a buyer with these sort of returns, it seems you are labeled giving a buyer a "poor experience," because they want to return something. It's only a "good" experience from what I'm reading into his statement if a buyer never wants to return something. This is what bothers me about his clearing up things statement. It almost confirms what I've been reading by several posters that sellers are expected to do the impossible, "make buyers FEEL always happy with a purchase!"
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Paypal takes a chunk? I thought Paypal takes 0% if your bank account is directly connected. Paypal will take a chunk if your account only has a credit/debit card filed. I only have my bank account listed on Paypal to avoid additional charges.

Am I wrong?
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Significantly Not As Described

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@kyuzo42 wrote:
Paypal takes a chunk? I thought Paypal takes 0% if your bank account is directly connected. Paypal will take a chunk if your account only has a credit/debit card filed. I only have my bank account listed on Paypal to avoid additional charges.

Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.  I explained above that the amount you see deducted from your payment in paypal is paypal's fee.  They charge 2.9% + .30.   The fee at the end of the month is ebay's final value fee.   They are separate companies.

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If I remember from a few of my online shopping experiences, "let's say I bought a shirt from Macy's online & it arrives and it has seams that were not sewn completely from the factory, I can call Macy's & they send me a postage paid return label." But there is no way they are going to do this like you see here with a buyer stating for example: a shirt is not really the size that's on the label because it couldn't be because it ended up not fitting the buyer. Us as sellers do way more than online stores provide buyers, like most of us when selling clothing we take the time to measure sleeves, length of each item, you don't get that from online retail stores. So it's just more and more aggravating that us ebay sellers go above and beyond what online retailers provide buyers and yet it's never enough & ebay treats sellers like we work for them, by making statements and judgement's that are completely as if they are supervisors of us and yet we sell on here to feel like we are our own boss. I can see recommendations , but the stuff I've read and experienced lately is just not making me feel like I"m my own boss, paying to rent my own store and to get emails telling me I'm providing poor customer service just because customers are returning items. Ebay needs to do a better job at treating sellers like they are not ebay's employees! If were are being considered ebay's employee's than I want some of the hourly pay from ebay for all the time I've put into cleaning up my items , measuring, photographing , listing, sourcing the items that could end up selling which not only benefits me but ebay in the fee's they collect on top of paying for a monthly online store. This is what is very frustrating as a seller! Yes I know it's cheaper than a brick and mortar store rent, but even there a person renting to you isn't going to tell you how to run your store most likely & not going to step on your toes and stand at your cash register and hand out our own money back to a customer that brings back an item that they claim you sold them fraudulently because it wasn't the right color , didn't fit the way the buyer expected, or buyer wore the item took the tag off , sprayed perfume all over it, now it's no longer new or tried to return something that they never even purchased from you to begin with.

I do get what you are saying, if you have to take a return , ebay should be giving listing credits back so you do not have to pay for another listing on the item you took back. But if they did that I guess they think you'd never want to have a store subscription. Sorry for rambling just stuff that goes thru my mind lately when I read about other sellers and their less than being satisfied with their selling experiences as of lately on here.
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@kyuzo42 wrote:
Paypal takes a chunk? I thought Paypal takes 0% if your bank account is directly connected. Paypal will take a chunk if your account only has a credit/debit card filed. I only have my bank account listed on Paypal to avoid additional charges.

Am I wrong?

Unfortunately, yes.

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@kyuzo42 wrote:
Paypal takes a chunk? I thought Paypal takes 0% if your bank account is directly connected. Paypal will take a chunk if your account only has a credit/debit card filed. I only have my bank account listed on Paypal to avoid additional charges.

Am I wrong?

All you have to do is go to your PayPal account and look at one of your sales. You'll see that the full amount wasn't deposited into your account.

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@thatsallfolks wrote:

@kyuzo42 wrote:
Paypal takes a chunk? I thought Paypal takes 0% if your bank account is directly connected. Paypal will take a chunk if your account only has a credit/debit card filed. I only have my bank account listed on Paypal to avoid additional charges.

Am I wrong?

All you have to do is go to your PayPal account and look at one of your sales. You'll see that the full amount wasn't deposited into your account.


Now I see that you were under the mistaken impression that eBay was charging you that fee also. You really should read up on how all of this works.

 

You know that eBay charges you a fee on the buyer's total payment, including shipping, right?

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You are absouletley wrong. I have had customers buy something to see if it will fix their problem. If it does not then they want to return it and try something else. The free return process is going to encourage this even more.

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@m60driver wrote:

That Ebay gives us a discount at all indicates they do get a discount. We will not know what that discount is, but I assume that it is greater than what is forwarded to the seller as that has been my business experience over the past many decades.  As for customer service costs, apart from all the whining here, I think the majority of sellers are like myself and just accept returns without calling customer service.  Over the past 19 years of selling on Ebay, I have contacted customer service perhaps four times.  Heck for most of my small items I just refund and tell the customer to donate the item to charity.

 

And I would still be gobsmacked that Ebay got less than a 50% discount.  But even if, for the sake of argument, we say they get a 25% discount, that is mostly net profit that would add up quickly given the volume of sales.


Ebay gets the commbase+ discount. They pass that off to TRS sellers. They do get discounts from Fed Ex or UPS, but not USPS. The only reason the big A gets a discount from USPS is because they are presorting and only using them for the 'last mile'. Ebay can't do that.

 

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@d-k_treasures wrote:

@m60driver wrote:

That Ebay gives us a discount at all indicates they do get a discount. We will not know what that discount is, but I assume that it is greater than what is forwarded to the seller as that has been my business experience over the past many decades.  As for customer service costs, apart from all the whining here, I think the majority of sellers are like myself and just accept returns without calling customer service.  Over the past 19 years of selling on Ebay, I have contacted customer service perhaps four times.  Heck for most of my small items I just refund and tell the customer to donate the item to charity.

 

And I would still be gobsmacked that Ebay got less than a 50% discount.  But even if, for the sake of argument, we say they get a 25% discount, that is mostly net profit that would add up quickly given the volume of sales.


Ebay gets the commbase+ discount. They pass that off to TRS sellers. They do get discounts from Fed Ex or UPS, but not USPS. The only reason the big A gets a discount from USPS is because they are presorting and only using them for the 'last mile'. Ebay can't do that.

 


Ebay does get a discount from USPS.  The last USPS label I printed through Ebay was a first class & it showed that I got a 26% Ebay discount (I'm TRS) .  Who's to say that Ebay didn't negotiate a 30%, 40%, or even 50% discount for themselves & only passes on to us TRS a 26% discount & even less to non-TRS sellers??

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Sigh.
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@cjscupboard wrote:

Ebay does get a discount from USPS.  The last USPS label I printed through Ebay was a first class & it showed that I got a 26% Ebay discount (I'm TRS) .  Who's to say that Ebay didn't negotiate a 30%, 40%, or even 50% discount for themselves & only passes on to us TRS a 26% discount & even less to non-TRS sellers??


 That is not an EBAY discount. That is the price for online postage no matter where it is purchase.  eBay just passes it off as something that they provide for you.

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"If you have frequent returns, it would seem part of the problem s on the seller end."

Thanks for the reply. I've only had 1 return item. My lack of power to prevent the con-artist caused me to clear off my Seller listings. You were lucky and had honest buyers.
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