04-23-2018 06:39 AM
This will be the third time I've sold this bumper: https://www.ebay.com/itm/152966975425?ViewItem=&item=152966975425&ppid=PPX000600&cnac=US&rsta=en_US(... here on Ebay over the last 2 years. The first two times they also paid with Paypal but were long distance and never came to pick up, so basically I have nothing in the part right now. This last buyer is local but paid with Paypal even though I put in the listing that Paypal is among my accepted payment options except for local pickup. So do I refund the Paypal payment now and tell him cash on pick up? Wait until he contacts me for pick up arraingments and then tell him?
04-23-2018 01:35 PM
@a_c_green wrote:
@atikovi wrote:Wasn't it discussed at length and in repeated threads over the years that this was the proper way to exclude Paypal from a local pick up? You can't say, "Cash only" but you can say that Paypal is among your accepted payment options except for local pickup. Pretty sure even an Ebay employee chimed in on the post.
Not exactly; the proper way to exclude PayPal from a Local Pickup is to offer some other form of electronic payment instead, because you have to offer at least one. If you have your own merchant account with MasterCard/VISA/AmEx/Discover (any or all of those), you're all set and able to disallow PayPal. (Realistically, though, your typical buyer is going to expect PayPal capability, and the buyer in this case already paid that way, because it was in fact available to him for this seller.)
Traditionally, the way to prevent the hazard of a Local Pickup then being followed by an Item Not Received dispute (which the seller would promptly lose as there was no tracking to be seen) is to offer no Shipping methods at all in the listing, and that will trigger special entries and verbiage in the listing. The OP did so in this case, so the "Shipping" entry reads simply "Free Local Pickup," and the details under Shipping and Handling read:
> Local Pickup
> You can contact your seller to arrange to pay for and pick up your item.
Under Payment details, PayPal (or PayPal Credit) is "Accepted" for payment, and there is also a second entry for "Pay on pickup" which is also "Accepted." The buyer in this case chose the first method instead of the second; that's all.
@Anonymous has stated in the past that an INR could technically be filed after pickup is made, but that supposedly it would be up to the buyer to prove that the seller was being uncooperative, not making the item available or whatever. Exactly how that would go, and how many times that's actually happened (successfully or otherwise), I have no idea.
Hi @a_c_green, definitely want to clarify that we do not allow for a limitation to be placed on the available payment methods that can be accepted when those options are present in the listing. An example would be, "I accept PayPal on everything except local pickup," but PayPal is an option for the buyer at checkout. If PayPal is a payment option in the listing, the buyer is entitled to pick this option. A seller does not have to use PayPal specifically, but they do have to have an electronic payment method (as you mentioned in your post).
An Item Not Received case for a local pickup transaction would only be covered for the buyer if we can clearly see in the messages on eBay that the seller did not arrange for pickup or did not allow the buyer to retrieve the item. This is an incredibly rare situation, but is covered in instances where the seller says, "I no longer wish to sell this," or "Sorry I didn't meet you, something came up", etc. We obviously wouldn't look for tracking information and would need more than the buyer simply saying they didn't get the item.
More about our Payment Policies can be found here and confirmation that the eBay Money Back Guarantee will cover Local Pickup is referenced here.
04-23-2018 02:02 PM
Simplest solution to this issue is for Ebay to not require an electronic payment method on local pickup only listings. The item isn't paid for until it's picked up so buyer wouldn't be out anything if they could never get it. It would also reduce the number of long distance buyers who don't read the ad and then want to cancel when they realize it can't be shipped. Don't understand why those at Ebay can't understand this, especially when they don't have a stake in Paypal anymore.
04-23-2018 02:38 PM
An Item Not Received case for a local pickup transaction would only be covered for the buyer if we can clearly see in the messages on eBay that the seller did not arrange for pickup or did not allow the buyer to retrieve the item. This is an incredibly rare situation
Yuh, because it's an incredibly foolish provision. So, if a seller just doesn't show up for the pickup or sends the buyer to pick it up in Timbuktu, he gets to keep the money and the item - as long as he doesn't send a "Neener, neener, neener" message. Again, that's why buyers need to fund with credit card or pay cash after inspection.
04-23-2018 02:39 PM
@atikovi wrote:Simplest solution to this issue is for Ebay to not require an electronic payment method on local pickup only listings. The item isn't paid for until it's picked up so buyer wouldn't be out anything if they could never get it. It would also reduce the number of long distance buyers who don't read the ad and then want to cancel when they realize it can't be shipped. Don't understand why those at Ebay can't understand this, especially when they don't have a stake in Paypal anymore.
Really - "because you selected paypal as an option' - well, who would want to on a local pickup if it wasn't forced on us to select it?
04-23-2018 02:41 PM
Simplest solution to this issue is for Ebay to not require an electronic payment method on local pickup only listings.
The problem with that would be every scammer, paranoid doofus and cheapskate would be listing phony "Local Pickup" items to avoid the electronic payment requirement.
04-23-2018 02:53 PM
@couldabeenworse wrote:Simplest solution to this issue is for Ebay to not require an electronic payment method on local pickup only listings.
The problem with that would be every scammer, paranoid doofus and cheapskate would be listing phony "Local Pickup" items to avoid the electronic payment requirement.
How so? Most people won't bid on their listing unless they are local.
04-23-2018 04:16 PM
@atikovi wrote:
@couldabeenworse wrote:Simplest solution to this issue is for Ebay to not require an electronic payment method on local pickup only listings.
The problem with that would be every scammer, paranoid doofus and cheapskate would be listing phony "Local Pickup" items to avoid the electronic payment requirement.
How so? Most people won't bid on their listing unless they are local.
Because every seller listing that way will 'offer' shipping after the fact - paid separately, of course.
04-23-2018 04:24 PM
What's the scam in that? I've sold local pickup only items where the buyer asks if I would ship either pre or post sale, and I said yes.
04-23-2018 04:50 PM
How so? Most people won't bid on their listing unless they are local.
If there is any way to bypass offering PayPal or credit card, there will suddenly be thousands of Local Pickup" listings for easily shipped items with statements like "ask about payment methods for shipping". Heck, even the Chinese sellers would move to "Local Pickup".
If eBay intends to require electronic payments, they can't allow such an easy workaround.
04-23-2018 05:34 PM
@couldabeenworse wrote:How so? Most people won't bid on their listing unless they are local.
If there is any way to bypass offering PayPal or credit card, there will suddenly be thousands of Local Pickup" listings for easily shipped items with statements like "ask about payment methods for shipping". Heck, even the Chinese sellers would move to "Local Pickup".
If eBay intends to require electronic payments, they can't allow such an easy workaround.
Coulda I never take Online payments for local Pick ,And Yes I have had Ebay Reps Tell to do this in the Listing ( Cash Payment's Only On Local PickUp Only!) it is only work to avoid any online payments for local pickup. When marked paid , you to place Local pickup in tracking Number sapce.
04-23-2018 05:43 PM
And Yes I have had Ebay Reps Tell to do this in the Listing ( Cash Payment's Only On Local PickUp Only!)
Yes, we have discussed before that eBay reps advised you to violate written policy. If it's working for you, it's ok by me, but it is still specifically not allowed.
04-23-2018 05:49 PM
I have accepted PayPal for local pickup before. My stipulations are that the actual eBay account holder has to retrieve it, show ID, and sign for it. Same requirements retailers have for a check. If they pull some shenanigans, I can take them to small claims. Most all transactions go smoothly.
04-25-2018 09:35 AM
@couldabeenworse wrote:And Yes I have had Ebay Reps Tell to do this in the Listing ( Cash Payment's Only On Local PickUp Only!)
Yes, we have discussed before that eBay reps advised you to violate written policy. If it's working for you, it's ok by me, but it is still specifically not allowed.
It doesn't make since to take any online payments on a Local Pick up ! . In item listing payments section you can mark pay on pickup . also There is no Violation of policy since you don't have to take Online payments in ebay motors for local pickup option.
04-25-2018 10:15 AM
There is no Violation of policy since you don't have to take Online payments in ebay motors for local pickup option.
Neither you nor the OP are selling in one of the exempt categories. So yeah, it is a violation, even if it's a dumb policy.
04-25-2018 11:33 AM
@couldabeenworse wrote:
The buyer can claim snad with local pick up, if he takes the item home and it doesnt work as promised. But he cannot claim inr.
Trinton also stated buyers can claim INR, although according to Trinton, only if the seller is dumb enough to state in messages that he won't let the buyer pick up. The actual MBG policy makes no such distinction. PayPal Buyer Protection is similarly vague.
One would think that the only two acceptable uses of the MBG for local pickups would be if the seller refused pickup, or if the buyer arrived to pick up but found the item was not as described and left it with seller. Oddly, Trinton's comments imply those would not be covered. As always, smart buyers fund with credit card for protection against eBay and PayPal gibberish.
Hi @couldabeenworse, definitely want to clear up that if the seller refused pickup, the buyer would be covered as the seller is not allowing the buyer to retrieve the item. Additionally, in previous discussions we were talking about item not received requests and as such, I did not bring up the return request protections we offer. If the buyer went to pick up the item and found it was not described accurately, they would be protected in a return request.
While we the specific way we approach every possible unique situation is not stated publicly, our policies are clearly outlined on the site for your reference. A seller is responsible if their description is incorrect. A seller is also responsible in situations where their actions led to a buyer not receiving their item. The protections for local pickup fall under these policies, and while certain factors (ex. tracking information) will vary due to the circumstances, our expectations of sellers do not change.