10-22-2020 03:04 PM
Pretty much at wits end here. Here's what happened:
1) Sold a Garmin Fenix watch on Ebay for $690 to a buyer with an account opened end of September 2020 with no feedback. I'm a top rated seller with perfect 900+ feedback, 10+ year old account.
2) Buyer claims the box was empty on receipt
3) I contact buyer twice for more information, he does not respond.
4) eBay rules in buyers favor, takes $690 from my account. Found out later that he is also using an address that has been reported multiple times. I appeal but eBay say's buyer filed a "police report" so they have to rule in their favor.
5) Managed to get a copy of the police report from eBay. It is obviously fake. The police department doesn't exist, the address is of an empty residential building on zillow, and the phone leads to a voicemail that says "You have dialed police department" in Eastern European accent.
6) Tried to file an appeal and get denied again, they claim that they determined the "police report" was legitimate.
I tried to contact them via twitter, tried multiple times through the phone, and via email. Anyone have any idea what I can do? Does anyone have an experience with small claims or arbitration against ebay?
TL:DR : Buyer submits obviously fake police report to eBay, eBay claims it is legitimate and uses it to steal $690 from me.
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10-27-2020 04:59 PM
Update (good news):
1) I contacted @AskEbay via twitter and explained my situation. I explained that the police report was fake and listed the reasons why. I also said that fedex insurance will not help because I can’t present a fake police report as evidence.
2) Initially, they responded to open an insurance claim with the shipping carrier. I objected since I specifically said that insurance will not help because they will not take a fake police report.
3) I asked to escalate the case, they responded that “For this case, I have requested a team to review the details of the case and the reports. I will reach out to you with an update when I hear back. “
4) I added that I filed an ic3.gov report since my local police department doesn’t handle eCommerce crimes.
5) Finally, a couple days later, they said the review was complete and the money was transferred to my paypal account. They didn’t explain what happened or why my appeals were denied, or why it was approved this time. I believe this was done by a higher level team, because the refund was not tied to the ebay transaction. It seems like someone with authority just told the accounts team to send me a check.
Thanks everyone for all their help/suggestions. I hope this doesn’t happen to anyone else in the future.
10-22-2020 03:12 PM
1st I would take that copy down to YOUR police dept and show them, filing a false police report is a criminal offense. They can tell you if it's indeed false or legit. Remember, the buyer has something to gain here...your watch.
10-22-2020 03:15 PM
I will definitely report it to authorities. Not sure what they can do because the buyer didn't file anything officially, they just generated a fake, 1 page sheet, in MS Word and presented it as proof to ebay and ebay accepted it.
10-22-2020 03:17 PM
Freight forwarder location... where was your buyer located?
10-22-2020 03:17 PM
@wowsource I agree with @silverstatetreasureboxes
Take the report to your police dept and ask them to help provide evidence that this is a fake police report. Since creating a false report is a crime they should be willing to help you.
Then armed with this evidence confront eBay again.
10-22-2020 03:20 PM
I'm not sure if I can post the exact address on these forums. It is XXX Meco Drive, Wilmington Delaware 19804. But a quick google search shows that it has been used multiple times for ebay fraud.
10-22-2020 03:23 PM
Thank you for the suggestion. I will definitely try that tomorrow and see how it goes. eBay has said that multiple times that it isn't open to more appeals so I don't have my hopes up.
I've attached the police report and it's so obviously fake I can't believe I'm having to go through this.
10-22-2020 03:29 PM
If I am correct, that address is a freight forwarder.
10-22-2020 03:31 PM
Yes, I could see a buyer using a freight forwarder to hide their real address.
10-22-2020 03:34 PM
If you look at his feedback page is he registered in another country? It sounds like he had you ship to a freight forwarder so technically that should have voided the money back guarantee. The problem is that ebay may require you to prove that he did use a reshipper and now that he has already been refunded, ebay would have to pay you out of their own pocket so that could make it more difficult to convince them to rule in your favor.
10-22-2020 03:35 PM
Open a police report on ebay for aiding and bedding internet theft, see what they say, as long as you can prove it is a fake police report.
10-22-2020 04:12 PM
He is definitely registered in the United States. It was his listed address, there were no red flags that indicated that this wasn't a regular transaction (other than zero feedback). His page says:
"Based in United States, XXXX has been an eBay member since Sep 24, 2020"
10-22-2020 04:19 PM
Interesting idea. I'll see what options I have when talking to the police. I doubt they will do anything, but there sounds like there may be many other cases like mine. Hopefully, if enough people come forward, eBay will be fined or forced to change their practices.
If you see the actual police report attached, I think you'll agree that there's no problem proving that it is fake. It might as well have been written in crayon.
10-22-2020 04:42 PM
Block buyers with zero feedback or cancel high dollar sales with new accounts and zero feedback. Place a disclaimer in the body of your high dollar sale items.
10-22-2020 04:46 PM
Yeah, should have thought of that before. There's no way to do that automatically, right? I can only block buyers with negative feedback. There's always the issue of paying the 3% paypal fee for refunded transactions.