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schweizer135 · ‎09-11-2017

I use business policies, and have one for Payments requiring buyers to use Paypal. To stay in the guarenteed delivery program, I have checked the box requiring Immediate Payment via Paypal. This now will not allow me to list auctions as I get an error saying I must list a Buy it Now price (which costs money). What can I do so that I can list auctions?? Thank you.

dhbookds · ‎09-11-2017

take immediate payment off AUCTIONS.......it can't apply anyway.....

the GD program will just take fixed listings.........not all your listings have to qualify for it.......

schweizer135 · ‎09-11-2017

I was able to avoid the error by creating a seperate Business Policy for Payments, one without the Paypal Immediate Payment box checked, that I have to select when listing auctions. This should not be necessary but apparently it is. The Ebay system should allow me to use my normal default Payment Policy and only enforce the Immediate Payment for BIN buyers, or better yet ... apply it to auction winners too. I have no idea why they do not require immediate payment for Auction winners if that is what the seller desires to avoid non-payers.

a_c_green · ‎09-11-2017

@schweizer135 wrote:
To stay in the guarenteed delivery program, I have checked the box requiring Immediate Payment via Paypal. This now will not allow me to list auctions as I get an error saying I must list a Buy it Now price (which costs money). What can I do so that I can list auctions??

An item listed at auction without a BuyItNow price available cannot have Immediate Payment Required. (The IPR setting is on the BIN price anyway; it has no meaning for an auction, and does not apply if the listing ends by bidding instead of by BIN.)

If you want to list an item at auction without a BuyItNow price, just un-check the Immediate Payment Required box and you should be able to continue.

katiecamelfoot · ‎09-11-2017

@schweizer135 wrote:
I was able to avoid the error by creating a seperate Business Policy for Payments, one without the Paypal Immediate Payment box checked, that I have to select when listing auctions. This should not be necessary but apparently it is. The Ebay system should allow me to use my normal default Payment Policy and only enforce the Immediate Payment for BIN buyers, or better yet ... apply it to auction winners too. I have no idea why they do not require immediate payment for Auction winners if that is what the seller desires to avoid non-payers.

Because auctions can end at any hour of the day or night, and the buyer might have put in a bid several days before hand, and not be able to pay right off due to sleep, work ect

readabouthorses · ‎09-11-2017

@schweizer135 wrote:
I was able to avoid the error by creating a seperate Business Policy for Payments, one without the Paypal Immediate Payment box checked, that I have to select when listing auctions. This should not be necessary but apparently it is. The Ebay system should allow me to use my normal default Payment Policy and only enforce the Immediate Payment for BIN buyers, or better yet ... apply it to auction winners too. I have no idea why they do not require immediate payment for Auction winners if that is what the seller desires to avoid non-payers.

When I, as a buyer, bids on an auction I may do it days before your auction ends or I may use my auction sniping program to bid during the last minutes of your auction and doing so I might be already in bed, might be out shopping or at the movies with friends. In other words, I may not be around when your auction ends to do an immediate payment. That is why it is pretty hard to do IPR on auctions since the buyer might not even be present when the listing ends. Where with a fixed price/BIN the buyer is online at the moment the listing ends with their BIN.

a_c_green · ‎09-11-2017

@katiecamelfoot wrote:
@schweizer135 wrote:
I have no idea why they do not require immediate payment for Auction winners if that is what the seller desires to avoid non-payers.
Because auctions can end at any hour of the day or night, and the buyer might have put in a bid several days before hand, and not be able to pay right off due to sleep, work ect

It does make kind of an interesting what-if question, though, assuming that one is on one's second gin-and-tonic...

Let's say that you do indeed somehow have an auction with Immediate Payment Required. The auction ends with a winner and several runner-up bidders. The winner needs to be logged in and ready to pay, which by "Immediate" means as soon as the transaction will go through: less than a minute under ideal circumstances.

But now let's say that payment does not occur immediately for whatever reason: e.g. buyer is having network problems; buyer lives in Florida (*cough*); buyer is hospitalized following an unfortunate incident involving a goat; whatever. The IPR setting means that the winner has only, say, 60 seconds to slam his payment in, or... what?

Shall we go to the second-place bidder? Okay, now he has 60 seconds to make his payment... only he put his bid in three days ago, barely remembers bidding in the first place, and is currently deeply immersed in binge-watching Season 3 of "Gilmore Girls" on Netflix. So forget about him.

Winning status now falls to the guy in third place, who's asleep. Moving on...

Now we're down to hoping for Immediate Payment from the guy in fourth place, and whaddaya know: he's logged in! Ready to pay! And here's his payment: 99¢ with Free Shipping, because he was the first one to bid. In the immortal words of PayPal: "OK to ship!"

So in less than five minutes, your nicely-won auction price has collapsed down to nothing, due to the Immediate Payment Required setting. I think I'd leave that option for BuyItNow sales only.

partial*eclipse · ‎09-11-2017

IPR just doesn't work with auctions (unless they also start out with a BIN option). You can choose to offer Guranteed Delivery just for your fixed price listings.

http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/shipping/guaranteed-delivery.html

schweizer135 · ‎09-11-2017

I am using Business Policies, therefore the IPR checkbox is buried in the Policy and not shown when creating an ad as it may be for those not using Business Policies. As for Immediate Payment, the payment is meant to be automatic from the buyer's account (ie: Paypal) and not something requiring them to be present or to take any action, so I don't see why that can't be applied to Auctions as well. When the auction ends, the Winner's payment should be automatically sent.

the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth · ‎09-11-2017

Sellers are already complaining about a lack of bidders. Really you want to force people who have NEVER defaulted on a payment give access to Ebay or Paypal to take money? Not going to happen. I've spent over a quarter million on Ebay and it would be the last dollar I ever spent here.

The payment on IPR is never automatic. The bidder is right there completing the transaction.

If you don't like nonpayers use the tools provided. Don't discourage more buyers. They're already scarce enough.

readabouthorses · ‎09-11-2017

@schweizer135 wrote:
I am using Business Policies, therefore the IPR checkbox is buried in the Policy and not shown when creating an ad as it may be for those not using Business Policies. As for Immediate Payment, the payment is meant to be automatic from the buyer's account (ie: Paypal) and not something requiring them to be present or to take any action, so I don't see why that can't be applied to Auctions as well. When the auction ends, the Winner's payment should be automatically sent.

No, that is not how it works. The buyer still needs to "be present" to do the payment.

d-k_treasures · ‎09-11-2017

@schweizer135 wrote:
I am using Business Policies, therefore the IPR checkbox is buried in the Policy and not shown when creating an ad as it may be for those not using Business Policies. As for Immediate Payment, the payment is meant to be automatic from the buyer's account (ie: Paypal) and not something requiring them to be present or to take any action, so I don't see why that can't be applied to Auctions as well. When the auction ends, the Winner's payment should be automatically sent.

Guess you dont like the same person bidding on different auctions you have listed so that shipping can be combined?

I'm with thedog - I would never bid on anyones auctions if they would ever force IPR on them.

And you have ONE auction listed, and 9 completed over the past month - and I'd bet the same person won all 9 since they are basically the same thing.

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dhbookds · ‎09-11-2017

As for Immediate Payment, the payment is meant to be automatic from the buyer's account (ie: Paypal)

lol, since when? did you sign an agreement with PP for that to be done when you buy something?

partial*eclipse · ‎09-11-2017

@schweizer135 wrote:
... As for Immediate Payment, the payment is meant to be automatic from the buyer's account (ie: Paypal) .... When the auction ends, the Winner's payment should be automatically sent.

PayPal can't charge the winning bidder's account automatically because the buyer hasn't authorized that specific charge. The ending bid price for an auction isn't known in advance. Even accepted Offers can't be charged automatically. That's a payment processing situation, not some random eBay policy.

As noted in another post, you need a separate business policy without IPR for auctions with no BIN price.

katiecamelfoot · ‎09-11-2017

@schweizer135 wrote:
I am using Business Policies, therefore the IPR checkbox is buried in the Policy and not shown when creating an ad as it may be for those not using Business Policies. As for Immediate Payment, the payment is meant to be automatic from the buyer's account (ie: Paypal) and not something requiring them to be present or to take any action, so I don't see why that can't be applied to Auctions as well. When the auction ends, the Winner's payment should be automatically sent.

That is totally not how IPR works. the buyer actually has to be present select by and and proceed to checkout. No checkout=no sale, the seller doesn't even know the buyer was interested in the item.