Getting part of the shipping costs is crazy.

[Anonymous]

I don't think they should be getting a percentage of the shipping costs. It already is at what it costs and sometimes it costs even more than what you think it is supposed to. They are getting greedy. Also, there are times when a package can be mailed cheaper in an envelope that is flat and you don't get a tracking number and then you lose a percentage of there being a top seller, which is crap. 

[tsme35]

I agree, ebay should have came up with a better idea to handle it. Back then, it really didn't add up too much, shipping is 200%+ more then back in 2011, its adding up now, esp heavy or large items.

[nobody*s_perfect]

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@zamo-zuan wrote: ... But what about if you buy a Medium label from eBay for another $14 and then pay fees on that $14? That's where the issue is....

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There is no fee when you purchase the shipping label through eBay.  The total  fees that you pay for any transaction are the same regardless of where you purchase your postage -- through eBay, or elsewhere online, or at the Post Office counter.

[dbfolks166mt]

     This question/complaint gets posted at least once a week if not more. The answers have not changed in the last xx years. If eBay didn't charge a fee on the shipping some sellers would revert back to the tactic referenced by monica-sells  in a previous post. It is also quite likely that you would see a drastic decrease in the number of listings offering free shipping. 

[fern*wood]

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@zamo-zuan wrote:

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This is also two separate issues here. 

Price + Shipping charged of course is factored in the FVF's. That's not disputed. 

But the issue is that the shipping labels sold by eBay ALSO get the fees charged to them. That's the part that isn't quite fair.

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You are mistaken in this thinking.  We do not pay any additional final value fees when we buy our postage through ebay.  The fees we pay are based on what our listing charges the buyer, regardless of where we buy the label or how much that label costs.  

[zamo-zuan]

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@slippinjimmy wrote:

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This is what I was referring to in the prior message. 

$30 + $10 or $40 would be what is in the listing for the FVF charges. That's completely fine and expected.

But what about if you buy a Medium label from eBay for another $14 and then pay fees on that $14? That's where the issue is. Because once you factor the fees on top of this $14, it's no longer cheaper than just getting a label from the competition, when you can get a Medium label from them with no additional fees charged upon it.

It's also double-dipping in fees, because in the prior example you ALREADY paid the fees in the $40 collected, so why additional fees on the shipping purchase itself?

At the end of the day it's just a money-grab for eBay as it makes them a less desirable option than competitors. There's no reason anyone should be using eBay shipping - but most people don't even realize they're paying almost $16 for that Medium label.

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You seem confused, there is no "fee" when you buy a shipping label via eBay, the fee is on the amount of the shipping offered in the listing that the buyer pays, where you buy the label is irrelevant, how much you pay for the label is irrelevant.

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Well the last Large FR box we shipped through eBay has a $20.09 fee... So *shrug* it doesn't seem to be that way for us.

Although we use ShipStation for all the other reasons you had provided. 

[nobody*s_perfect]

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@zamo-zuan wrote:

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@slippinjimmy wrote: ... You seem confused, there is no "fee" when you buy a shipping label via eBay, the fee is on the amount of the shipping offered in the listing that the buyer pays, where you buy the label is irrelevant, how much you pay for the label is irrelevant.

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Well the last Large FR box we shipped through eBay has a $20.09 fee... So *shrug* it doesn't seem to be that way for us.

Although we use ShipStation for all the other reasons you had provided. 

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When you purchase a postage label through eBay, you have to pay for the postage, but not for any extra fee.  According to the eBay shipping calculator, their postage price for a Large flat rate box is $18.95, so I can't figure out where $20.09 came from.

[chapeau-noir]

eBay tried an intermediate solution before including shipping in the FVF - it was limiting shipping amount per category.  A good try, but in practice it didn't work.  Any media sellers shipping heavy/large books could only charge $3 or something (I don't recall) for a book or set that might cost $5 media mail.  I shipped a car top bike rack (heavy, large) and when I wanted to charge actual shipping cost, was told that 'average' in that category was $25 and I was charging too much.  I realised that the 'average' in the bike rack/parts category was derived by averaging out the entire category - car top racks, bumper racks, wheel racks (small), cam locks (even smaller) and nuts and bolts, coming up with a really skewed 'average'.  They kept up with this for, I don't know, maybe a year?  before scrapping the system and simply including the shipping in the FVF. What was that - 2011?  It has been a long time.

[nobody*s_perfect]

Yes, 2011.

The only holdover from that experiment is the ceiling on various types of Media items (including some that aren't eligible for MM), but several years ago eBay revised all of those limits to such high values that it left the impression that they wanted to effectively eliminate them without messing with the programming.  So now the thresholds are mostly $20 for individual items like books, and the only time we hear about them is when a seller is shipping a really heavy lot of books.  Even then the simple workaround is to set up calculated shipping.

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/shipping-items/maximum-shipping-costs?id=4655

[reallynicestamps]

Standard practice in the payment processing industry is to charge fees on the amount of the payment and not to be concerned how that was made up.

So we pay Managed Payments their fee on selling price,shipping price-->and the amount of tax eBay runs through our account for sales taxes paid by the buyer and remitted by eBay which we never touch.

t already is at what it costs and sometimes it costs even more than what you think it is supposed to.

If you buy your shipping labels through eBay you get a small rebate on the cost you charged your buyer, enough to cover packaging anyway.

and sometimes it costs even more than what you think it is supposed to.

Bookmark this:

https://postcalc.usps.com/Business/Index

And be sure to weigh and measure your packages before you set a Flat Rate for shipping.

Or use Calculated Shipping, especially for services that will vary with distance.

there are times when a package can be mailed cheaper in an envelope ...(and no) tracking number

Yes.

That requires some massaging.

Is the TRS discount worth the extra costs of shipping with parcel rates?

Are you losing sales because of high shipping costs?

Are you getting an unacceptable number of INR claims on untracked shipments?

• For some seller one INR claim is unacceptable. For others one percent is no problem.

I rarely use tracking and hold Global TRS, but non-US sellers are not required to track much because of the extremely high cost of international tracking.

I am also lucky to have a source of  discounted, mint postage stamps which greatly reduce my shipping costs. You can buy discounted postage on eBay from many of the stamp dealers, like this 204204910028.

[maxine*j]

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@nobody*s_perfect wrote:

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"Getting greedy"?...  

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Greedy =  Someone else wants to maximize profit

Enterprising  =  I want to maximize profit

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[inhawaii]

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@zamo-zuan wrote:

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Well the last Large FR box we shipped through eBay has a $20.09 fee... So *shrug* it doesn't seem to be that way for us.

Although we use ShipStation for all the other reasons you had provided. 

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$20.09  is not a "fee". 

That's the price of the shipping label.

[sakic92710]

So you believe I should pay eBay an extra %, from the shipping, for providing absolutely zero service to earn that % because YOU want to post your items in a way that tries to make buyers believe they are not paying a S/H fee?

[chapeau-noir]

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@sakic92710 wrote:

So you believe I should pay eBay an extra %, from the shipping, for providing absolutely zero service to earn that % because YOU want to post your items in a way that tries to make buyers believe they are not paying a S/H fee?

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Ooooh...I see what you're trying to do, but it's really strained.  If someone wants to utilise free shipping by lumping it into the price of the item ($40), they pay the same fees as someone who breaks it out ($30 + $10 shipping) - "free shipping" gets no FVF discount because it does not exist - it's a total illusion, the payment is the same, and no one pays 'extra.'

[sakic92710]

You completely missed the point I was making.  I'm not comparing paying a % on $30+10 in relation to someone who wants $40.  I'm talking about eBay taking a % for providing no service.  If someone chooses to give free shipping & have to pay a FVF on the total $40, that is not my problem.  The $10 I charge for S/H is fully used on mailing the item(s).  It does not go into my pocket so why should I have to give some of it to eBay?  They do nothing to earn it.  When sellers tried to scam their way out of fees by selling for $1 & charging $30 for S/H, they should have been punished.  The course of action eBay took is to punish everyone.  Make everyone pay.

[richard1rst]

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@sakic92710 wrote:

You completely missed the point I was making.  I'm not comparing paying a % on $30+10 in relation to someone who wants $40.  I'm talking about eBay taking a % for providing no service.  If someone chooses to give free shipping & have to pay a FVF on the total $40, that is not my problem.  The $10 I charge for S/H is fully used on mailing the item(s).  It does not go into my pocket so why should I have to give some of it to eBay?  They do nothing to earn it.  When sellers tried to scam their way out of fees by selling for $1 & charging $30 for S/H, they should have been punished.  The course of action eBay took is to punish everyone.  Make everyone pay.

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I went to dinner the other day and left the waitress a $20.00 tip. Guess what - the credit card processing company charged the restaurant a transaction fee on the TIP even though they provided no service for that tip and, in fact, got no part of that tip (I hope). Get over yourself.