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Cases against sellers that are shameful and wrong

I have been selling for over two years and everything was ok except fog one incident where buyer claimed not to receive his item and eBay refunded him even though it had tracking ,I had to call eBay and as I was explaining to them that item was sent but they went into my Bank account after I had told them do not the item was shipped

Buyer came clean and admitted he received the item . eBay took my money eBay should return my money but they did not ,I fought for 2 months and never received the money but I got a coupon that i had to spend on eBay.

 

How is it that they can refund buyers , refund fees, take money ,send money to ones debit card and bank account but can't give back what they took?

I thought it was a one off but I was sadly mistaken it occurred 3 more times and each time I was not at fault but payed for it in many ways and am still paying to this day.

 

Just recently eBay ruled against me in a case where the buyer had his item stolen from his mailbox. eBay was aware of this but because the buyer didn't chose shipping with tracking I had my money stolen and given to the buyer .

I gave buyer the option to change shipping but he was ok with his choice I sent a picture of package to confirm information was correct and I supplied buyer with a receipt from the post office confirming I had payed the shipping and the post office took custody and  responsibility for the item.

I am not responsible to pay for tracking or insurance on an item a buyer purchases.  Once he pays for the item it is no longer mine,  I'm morally and ethically responsible for packaging it, making sure it gets into the hands of the shipping co. That is Chosen. That is what I do everyday with every item.

 

They say that they can't confirm delivery so they will steal your money !! news flash delivery is not my responsibility shipping it is and paying for something the buyer doesn't pay for is not!!   It's set up to where either the buyer pays for the tracking or the seller has to to protect himself from the ridiculous policy in place that sides with the buyer almost 99.8% of the time . If you buy a phone at Walmart they ask you for 6 dollars more and would you like to insure the phone. if you choose not to and you walk to your car and drop the thing or you get robbed do you go back in and demand they replace  your phone or refund your money?

 

They would tell you sry you should have got insurance. You tell them no you should have paid for the insurance when I didn't so because you failed to do so you know owe me a new phone or the money it cost me . You would get escorted from the store .

 

So how is that any different in this situation. When eBay holds funds then takes  them to refund a buyer that you did not agree to refund because you know 100% you shipped the item that's called theft . Tracking does not insure protection and in this case how can anyone think that what eBay did is anything other than flat out theft.

 

They say they investigate the claims and then decide according to the facts and proof presented . That's a lie I was told by an agent on another matter to just refund the buyer because we will refund them if we have to step in regardless of what proof I have. I had  pictures of the item 12 of them plus 8 more sent to buyer before he purchased item which, then complained that damage was present that wasn't already documented which was untrue and could in no way have been caused by me.  The post office caused minor damage to the package to which I agree I could have done better on the package but I did write fragile do not bend boldly on the package on both sides.

 

At first I offered a full refund but then when I seen the claim and the pictures of the damage I supposedly caused and didn't describe i said no way but I will give a partial refund because of the packaging . The buyer refused and after I spoke with eBay I gave the buyer a full refund I was basically made to .

 

Yes I was made to because if they step in you get a defect .then they limit how much you can post your seller performance takes a hit so you go below standard and they tax you on  every sale you make on top of all the standard fees while below standard . They take and take and take at will and make it to where you either pay or you PAY .  I have paid in the hundreds and lost silver coins and other collectable items. Not one case was my fault and I had proof that I did everything i was supposed to .

 

Every case is different and has a different set of circumstances but eBay does not care it's a one outcome policy and that's the buyer is refunded no matter what even if his item is stolen from his mailbox 2000miles away. 

All of you that will undoubtedly side with eBay need to really ask yourself why . eBay has made their system so lock tight that common sense and doing the right thing have no place in it and if an agent agrees that it's wrong,  which most won't say out loud they want to keep their jobs ,they can't reverse it hell they can't even change your phone number or switch your debit card to express payouts and so many more little things that once they could fix or change.

Why even have agents all they do is recite the same dribble they have to read in every situation and you hear it non stop from every department . Your transfered 2 to 6  times when you chat or call eBay help . They should call it the buyers advocacy hot line or ,The how can I not help you today but frustrate you everyway possible hotline or my favorite one  just pay it or we take it!!! eBay  where we  don't give a **bleep** about sellers . 

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All that to say...

 

I shipped something without tracking.

The buyer filed a INR.

The buyer won.

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In simple terms… eBay is not a store… eBay is like the mall.  You are the store in the mall, paying rent, etc. (lots of etc.).  If there’s also a hardware store in that mall that ships lawnmowers, and I order a lawnmower, I expect it to land at my home, and I expect the store to be able to track it down if it doesn’t land at my home…… it’s not the fault of the mall.

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When the buyer claims the item was stolen from his mailbox and eBay awards him a refund I don't care what shipping was used!!  That is wrong and you know it. They should be able to use discretion and sound judgement and make the right decision according to the facts . 

 

 

 

But the system sees no tracking and it's automatic ruling in buyers favor . Tell me how a theft that happened 2000 miles away is my responsibility.  If you think that eBay made the right choice then I'm inclined to purchase some items from you and file a claim as ridiculous as the one filed on me . When you know you did nothing wrong and your held responsible it really chaps my ass . I sell to supplement my disability and provide for me and my wife so when eBay steals my money it affects my life in a big way. 

 

 

 

It may be funny to you and no big deal ,but to me it is a huge deal and I'm not going to lay down and take it in the #ss  . It was wrong and I will stand up for what's right till I die. 

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It's the seller responsibility to provide tracking information to avoid problems, also buyers need to know when to expect their items to arrive. Buyers should not pay for tracking; it's included in shipping whether free or calculated.

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'But the system sees no tracking and it's automatic ruling in buyers favor . Tell me how a theft that happened 2000 miles away is my responsibility."

 

You, as the seller, chose the shipping service, the buck stops with you. Anytime you dont have tracking to prove delivery, you will lose the case.



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I’d also like to add that I’m sorry that you’re having bad things happen to you… They do happen to most of us eventually, and some of us, quite often….. but most of us keep on keepin on…. Till we can’t.

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Thanks for the understanding and not being a total smart ass like the majority of responders .  

 

I don't see how anyone can think what happened was justified or funny . When it happens to those of you who find it to be a joke or not a big deal and you and your family suffer because of it, I will be the first to support you and stand by you and help you on anyway I can . 

 

No matter how big an **bleep** or jerk you are towards me  if you are wronged I will back you up then I will probably put ya to sleep for GP. when ya wake up I hope you can forgive me and we can be friends . 

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"Buyer came clean and admitted he received the item." 

 

I'm sure if we heard from that buyer it would be different.   To the tune of the package was late and didn't have tracking or recent scans so an INR case was filed.  The seller never responded.  Ebay did a refund.  Then the package arrived and now there is no protocol within eBay to pay for the item.

 

 

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@grmuir_92 wrote:

When the buyer claims the item was stolen from his mailbox and eBay awards him a refund I don't care what shipping was used!!  That is wrong and you know it. They should be able to use discretion and sound judgement and make the right decision according to the facts . 

 

 

 

But the system sees no tracking and it's automatic ruling in buyers favor . Tell me how a theft that happened 2000 miles away is my responsibility.  If you think that eBay made the right choice then I'm inclined to purchase some items from you and file a claim as ridiculous as the one filed on me . When you know you did nothing wrong and your held responsible it really chaps my ass . I sell to supplement my disability and provide for me and my wife so when eBay steals my money it affects my life in a big way. 

 

 

It may be funny to you and no big deal ,but to me it is a huge deal and I'm not going to lay down and take it in the #ss  . It was wrong and I will stand up for what's right till I die. 


The site has no way to know what happened 2000 miles away - they can't adjudicate when the buyer says they didn't get something and the seller cannot provide any proof that they did (photos of receipts and packages don't count - they can be faked too easily and also don't provide any objective evidence that the item actually arrived) - eBay was not on the scene, did not handle the package. That's why tracking is necessary, it's objective evidence that your package arrived to the buyer, just in a brick and mortar store the item is physically handed to the buyer.

 

If you shipped something to the buyer with tracking, tracking shows it was delivered and then the buyer complains that it was stolen off their porch or whatever, by supplying the tracking number with proof of delivery, the case would be settled in YOUR favour because the hand-off was done.

 

There's really no other way to deal with large scale internet sales.

 

I know it makes it tough to sell low cost items here - I just don't because of this exact problem, even though I used to sell small manuals, and other low cost, light items.


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Not all shipping comes with tracking . I have discussed it with the post office and first class had no tracking . Tracking is extra you pay for it . 

 

If you get tracking with first class shipping I would love to know how you do it because if you want tracking you have to upgrade to priority or ground advantage and the cost goes from $0.89-$1.89 to $5-$11

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@grmuir_92 wrote:

When the buyer claims the item was stolen from his mailbox and eBay awards him a refund I don't care what shipping was used!!  That is wrong and you know it. They should be able to use discretion and sound judgement and make the right decision according to the facts . 

 

 

 

But the system sees no tracking and it's automatic ruling in buyers favor . Tell me how a theft that happened 2000 miles away is my responsibility.  If you think that eBay made the right choice then I'm inclined to purchase some items from you and file a claim as ridiculous as the one filed on me . When you know you did nothing wrong and your held responsible it really chaps my ass . I sell to supplement my disability and provide for me and my wife so when eBay steals my money it affects my life in a big way. 

 

 

 

It may be funny to you and no big deal ,but to me it is a huge deal and I'm not going to lay down and take it in the #ss  . It was wrong and I will stand up for what's right till I die. 


 

You can stand up all you want, but if you continue to ship without tracking, you can expect more refunds.

If you had tracking that showed it was delivered, you would have been covered and wouldn't have to refund.

Have a great day.
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You are correct that First Class Letter does not come with tracking and if you read my earlier post that is the chance YOU take as a seller Maybe you should try ESE-ebay standard envelope.

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If you don't use tracking, you're going to have a very poor eBay experience. 

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You are correct tracking makes life so much easier but it does not guarantee protection at all times . In the event that the shipping service fails to deliver or enters an incorrect letter or number of a QR code or your item gets lost or stolen ,sadly you a the seller must be able to prove delivery or your going to pay . If you disagree then I'm here to tell 99.9 percent of rulings will go against you initially but you better be ready to dedicated time and energy into righting the wrong against you. If you don't you might as well just pay and keep paying then pray Everytime you see a notification that it's a sale and not a refund request ,no. Delivery claim or underpaid shipping claim .  

 

I'm trying to get protections for those who don't have the will to fight for $3 because it's not about the money it's about not being taken advantage of and standing up for what you know is just plain wrong . If everyone just pays them it will not change and it will get to the point it is at now.  

 

When a buyer claims non delivery and states in his claim that he item was stolen from his mailbox and ha. No doubt you shipped the item then eBay rules against you and takes every dime in your eBay account your bank account and every sale until the amount is paid. I'm sry but I will never lie down and just say oh well that's the rule .  Or he item gets to the buyers post office is marked out for delivery but never makes it to the buyer and you pay ,or you item ends up in the other side of the country because of an error by the postal service and you pay . I'm talking $132 ,$56,$59 ,$98 , $6,$5,$8, and this is how you support your family fighting and pushing for change is the only option I can even think of . Giving up,quitting ,going to another platform is not an acceptable course of action for me it's way past that . Now it's my obligation to make sure no seller has to endure that hardship and unfairness . You can help make change happen as well. 

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