06-10-2024 06:26 PM - edited 06-10-2024 08:16 PM
I have been selling for over two years and everything was ok except fog one incident where buyer claimed not to receive his item and eBay refunded him even though it had tracking ,I had to call eBay and as I was explaining to them that item was sent but they went into my Bank account after I had told them do not the item was shipped
Buyer came clean and admitted he received the item . eBay took my money eBay should return my money but they did not ,I fought for 2 months and never received the money but I got a coupon that i had to spend on eBay.
How is it that they can refund buyers , refund fees, take money ,send money to ones debit card and bank account but can't give back what they took?
I thought it was a one off but I was sadly mistaken it occurred 3 more times and each time I was not at fault but payed for it in many ways and am still paying to this day.
Just recently eBay ruled against me in a case where the buyer had his item stolen from his mailbox. eBay was aware of this but because the buyer didn't chose shipping with tracking I had my money stolen and given to the buyer .
I gave buyer the option to change shipping but he was ok with his choice I sent a picture of package to confirm information was correct and I supplied buyer with a receipt from the post office confirming I had payed the shipping and the post office took custody and responsibility for the item.
I am not responsible to pay for tracking or insurance on an item a buyer purchases. Once he pays for the item it is no longer mine, I'm morally and ethically responsible for packaging it, making sure it gets into the hands of the shipping co. That is Chosen. That is what I do everyday with every item.
They say that they can't confirm delivery so they will steal your money !! news flash delivery is not my responsibility shipping it is and paying for something the buyer doesn't pay for is not!! It's set up to where either the buyer pays for the tracking or the seller has to to protect himself from the ridiculous policy in place that sides with the buyer almost 99.8% of the time . If you buy a phone at Walmart they ask you for 6 dollars more and would you like to insure the phone. if you choose not to and you walk to your car and drop the thing or you get robbed do you go back in and demand they replace your phone or refund your money?
They would tell you sry you should have got insurance. You tell them no you should have paid for the insurance when I didn't so because you failed to do so you know owe me a new phone or the money it cost me . You would get escorted from the store .
So how is that any different in this situation. When eBay holds funds then takes them to refund a buyer that you did not agree to refund because you know 100% you shipped the item that's called theft . Tracking does not insure protection and in this case how can anyone think that what eBay did is anything other than flat out theft.
They say they investigate the claims and then decide according to the facts and proof presented . That's a lie I was told by an agent on another matter to just refund the buyer because we will refund them if we have to step in regardless of what proof I have. I had pictures of the item 12 of them plus 8 more sent to buyer before he purchased item which, then complained that damage was present that wasn't already documented which was untrue and could in no way have been caused by me. The post office caused minor damage to the package to which I agree I could have done better on the package but I did write fragile do not bend boldly on the package on both sides.
At first I offered a full refund but then when I seen the claim and the pictures of the damage I supposedly caused and didn't describe i said no way but I will give a partial refund because of the packaging . The buyer refused and after I spoke with eBay I gave the buyer a full refund I was basically made to .
Yes I was made to because if they step in you get a defect .then they limit how much you can post your seller performance takes a hit so you go below standard and they tax you on every sale you make on top of all the standard fees while below standard . They take and take and take at will and make it to where you either pay or you PAY . I have paid in the hundreds and lost silver coins and other collectable items. Not one case was my fault and I had proof that I did everything i was supposed to .
Every case is different and has a different set of circumstances but eBay does not care it's a one outcome policy and that's the buyer is refunded no matter what even if his item is stolen from his mailbox 2000miles away.
All of you that will undoubtedly side with eBay need to really ask yourself why . eBay has made their system so lock tight that common sense and doing the right thing have no place in it and if an agent agrees that it's wrong, which most won't say out loud they want to keep their jobs ,they can't reverse it hell they can't even change your phone number or switch your debit card to express payouts and so many more little things that once they could fix or change.
Why even have agents all they do is recite the same dribble they have to read in every situation and you hear it non stop from every department . Your transfered 2 to 6 times when you chat or call eBay help . They should call it the buyers advocacy hot line or ,The how can I not help you today but frustrate you everyway possible hotline or my favorite one just pay it or we take it!!! eBay where we don't give a **bleep** about sellers .
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01-22-2025 07:09 AM
You may find yourself with bigger issues than "ESE delivery issues".
A listing title says 12 cards. The item specs shows as 10 cards
Random card listing.........
CARDS IN PHOTO ARE NOT THE LOT THAT'S BID ON IT IS JUST TO REPRESENT WHAT WILL BE IN THE LOT . THE PHOTO LOT IS A LOT THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY RECIEVE .
That appears to be a "chance listing".
Chance listings, by ebay policy, are prohibited.
Guaranteed Rare Or Double Rare
ESE 12 cards (10 cards) in an envelope? Will that process through the envelope sorting machine?
06-10-2024 06:36 PM
I didn't read that wall of text you posted.
Paragraphs go a long way to gain any advice.
The gist I get is when your buyer opened an INR you didn't upload tracking into the case. If you put tracking into the case that shows as delivered you would have won and the case would have closed.
My guess is you assumed that since you bought your shipping label on eBay eBay would know what the tracking was...WRONG assumption!
Without that proof your buyer won...case closed...end of story.
06-10-2024 06:40 PM
"I have been selling for over 2 years"...not on this account... it opened February 2024.
I agree buyers have more rights "sometimes"...but maybe the shipping which you use might be a problem or how it is done.
I kinda read everything but it's hard to retract your thoughts with no paragraphs.
06-10-2024 06:42 PM
I read it all and then forgot what I was reading.
I thought about reading it again but decided to reach for a glass of wine instead.
06-10-2024 06:53 PM
LMAO! !
I got 2-3 sentences in ... I'm old and my attention span is short.
06-10-2024 07:02 PM
Ya paragraphs go a long way but so does reading what's written. I explained the issue in detail and if you would have read it you would have known there was no tracking and that the buyer chose to not pay for tracking . Item was stolen from his mailbox that's not my guess that's the buyers statement in his claim.
So you feel it's the sellers responsibility to pay for the tracking on the item the buyer didn't . It's his item once he pays for it . Next time you buy some from the store and you loose it or it gets stolen go back to that store and demand they refund you for it because it's their responsibility they sold it to you so if anything happens even if you had the option to insure it and refused they should have bought insurance for you.
Since they didn't tell them they should have because now they must pay for it . Good luck with that let me know how that goes . And one more thing I had bought a label got the qr code I sent the tracking number to the buyer and it was uploaded but somehow the item got shipped to mo. Instead of Or. eBay took my money then said to bad go talk to post office .
All I'm saying is every situation is different but no matter what eBay has taken my money so no tracking does not always insure you from ebays grubby fingers. Why can't they just give back what they wrongfully took .
06-10-2024 07:09 PM - edited 06-10-2024 07:13 PM
Buyers don't pay for tracking, yes it is a sellers responsibility, it's for a seller's protection as proof of delivery. Insurance is also for the seller NOT the buyer.
Sellers are responsible for the item until delivery.
Since you don't have tracking to prove delivery you lost the case.
This is absurd..."Next time you buy some from the store and you loose it or it gets stolen go back to that store and demand they refund you for it because it's their responsibility they sold it to you so if anything happens even if you had the option to insure it and refused they should have bought insurance for you."
Buying online is not the same as brick and morter.
06-10-2024 07:14 PM
Sounds like you understand well how a non-tracked item can easily be claimed as lost and then you are required to refund for the missing item. This is just the way it is with missing items that if you cannot prove delivery you are expected to refund.
I have an item that was sent International and is documented as delivered but the buyer claimed they have not received it. I did not send it internationally. I sent it to eBay and they sent it internationally, yet I have my funds put on hold until the matter is resolved.
06-10-2024 07:14 PM
I was on a roll and my OCD wouldn't stop for paragraph separation.
I give two options on shipping 1. First class because it's very affordable and 2. Ground advantage $5-$11 depending on location .
Now buyer has a choice . Do you know the shipping that is chosen 98% of the time? #1 and when I don't offer anything but ground advantage my sales drop to nothing . So what I'm saying is the buyer should have to live with the shipping they choose.
I provide a receipt to everyone the items are handed to the clerk by me and then payed for . I get home and send a pic of the receipt to each buyer . I even send pics of the package with the addresses on both sides to make sure the info is correct and it goes to the right location .
Now I don't know what more I could do but paying for buyers shipping is not something I can afford . And yes the account i wrote under was my second account which is about 98 days old my other account is over two years old.
06-10-2024 07:15 PM - edited 06-10-2024 07:16 PM
@ebooksdiva wrote:My guess is you assumed that since you bought your shipping label on eBay eBay would know what the tracking was...WRONG assumption!
Without that proof your buyer won...case closed...end of story.
Yeah why would they ever close a case in sellers favor if the seller didnt supply the tracking number that ebay gave them in the first place - The nerve of some sellers to believe the company should provide even the most basic of services - these sellers should be verbally abused and shamed, if only for the entertainment aspects of it...
06-10-2024 07:16 PM
So stop offering non-tracked shipping options if you want seller protection. Easy peasy. This isn’t eBay’s fault.
06-10-2024 07:16 PM
Sorry, but if you don't use tracking, the buyer will an INR every time.
Buyer doesn't have to choose shipping with tracking, tracking is to protect the seller.
06-10-2024 07:16 PM
Bless your heart ❤️ .. you at least gave it a shot .
06-10-2024 07:19 PM
"I am not responsible to pay for tracking or insurance on an item a buyer purchases once he pays for the item it is no longer mine I'm morally and ethically responsible for packaging it making sure it gets into the hands of the shipping co."
Im sorry, but that is totally incorrect. Tracking is for the sellers protection, to prove the item he shipped was delivered. Insurance is also for the sellers protection. buyers dont need insurance, they are protected by Ebays thirty day MBG,and backed up with six month protection with Paypal or their cc.
06-10-2024 07:25 PM
I have sold items using First Class Letter and its a crap shoot on whether it gets to the buyer. But I know that if it doesn't get there, I would have to refund the buyer and that's a chance I am willing to take. Without tracking, everything is in the buyer's corner. And just to reinforce what others have said-it is the seller's responsibility to include tracking.