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Buyer didn't read and keeps changing their story.

So, it started that I listed a Samsung Galaxy S7 box some time ago (over a year) for $50 or best offer (honestly I figured someone would offer $15 at most and that would have been good for me). I'd done this after seeing other listings, and thought maybe people bought them as collector's items. I don't know. It was listed in the "cell phone accessories" section, the title included the word "READ", and the body stated "Just the box."

 

Also, in January, I updated all my listings to state that I only accept cancellations on a case-by-case basis and it depends on the reason. (In other words, if they didn't read it, tough cookies.) The listing in question also boasted a "no return policy" and a 10% donation to a charity.

 

All in all (and I confirmed this with eBay), pretty clear. I thought.

 

So, a buyer purchases the item. I call eBay just to be sure it was clear before I pay for shipping, because I'd had issue with a previous buyer and I had actually forgotten about the listing at that point (lots going on). EBay confirmed that I should be alright, so I paid for shipping and took the package to one of those blue USPS pickup boxes.

 

When I returned, I saw that the buyer had asked for pictures of the phone (what phone? There was no phone; only a box.) This message included a phone number (why?). A second message stated they wanted to confirm the cancellation. Well, I hadn't even seen that there was a request for cancellation, and eBay apparently auto-declined that when I purchased the postage.

 

I reply to the first message that the listing was for the box only, and cited quotes from the listing. I reply to the second message with, essentially, an apology but that it was too late and the item had been sent out.

 

The next morning, I receive another message, stating that they didn't want to box and to just not ship it and since the money was going for charity anyway (only 10% - not ALL of it!) and to send them a receipt. I was dumbfounded. I called eBay again, just to keep them in the loop. This was the most bizarre thing I'd ever heard of.

 

A few days go by, and the package is delivered. What do you know? I get a return request. They claim the item was "Ordered by mistake". I respond, repeating myself, and stating that any return would be marked "RTS" and refused. I follow-up by making a report with eBay.

 

Then this evening, I open my email to find claim has been opened with PayPal. I look to see that the reason selected was that the item never arrived. (How can you open a return on eBay for something you never received? Fishy.) I was watching a movie with my husband at the time, so I waited about 20 minutes for that to finish, and called them. Meanwhile, I attempted to upload the tracking number (which refused to work). After a bunch of hold time (I busied myself with other stuff) and maybe 10-15 minutes on the phone (part of which was spent with them investigating), they closed the case in my favor. Then I contact eBay to report the suspicious activity of the changing story. No big, right?

 

Except...I know they still have one potential last course of action -- at least if they used a card. *sigh* What do you do if the buyer changes their story every time they try to get their money back? Can that help my case if they go to their CC for a chargeback? To be honest, I'm hoping they won't think of it and they'll take the closed case as the end of it. But...as I've seen that's not always the case.

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@rolenboy01 wrote:

@dangre_1 wrote:

@nowthatsjustducky wrote:

So much for the buyer just being confused on what he was buying, eh wot?


Let's just think about this for a minute a seller who is using borderline practices at best to sell empty boxes, now claims that the buyer ripped them off.

 

What would be the point of that why would somebody steal an empty box?


Perhaps the buyer knew exactly what they were buying but are feining ignorance because they needed a box for their own phone they are about to list and having the box and other original accessories will help it bring a better price? It happens all the time.


Could be - the OP can check for a phone listing within a few miles of the buyers zip code.

 

Ironic that an emepty box was sent, and an 'empty box' was received back ......... wouldn't mind listening to someone trying to explain that to a foreign ebay CSR.

 

 

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@rolenboy01 wrote:

@dangre_1 wrote:

@nowthatsjustducky wrote:

So much for the buyer just being confused on what he was buying, eh wot?


Let's just think about this for a minute a seller who is using borderline practices at best to sell empty boxes, now claims that the buyer ripped them off.

 

What would be the point of that why would somebody steal an empty box?


Perhaps the buyer knew exactly what they were buying but are feining ignorance because they needed a box for their own phone they are about to list and having the box and other original accessories will help it bring a better price? It happens all the time.


We can speculate all day and night, but if someone would send back an empty box instead of the empty branded box that was in the box, perhaps they wanted the empty branded box to lend credibility to their knockoff item ...  which is why empty branded boxes were banned for so long.

 

 


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It seems pretty clear the buyer was not looking to buy an empty box.  If you re-read the OP, the buyer attempted to cancel the day after he purchased (after he communicated with OP) and realized there was no phone, only a box.   However, fair enough to the seller, the seller had already sent the item so he could do nothing at that point.  (Well he could have re-routed the package and all that mess but I digress).   On another point, the seller ALREADY HAD  a previous issue with this listing, as stated in his OP, and we can only assume it was, due to his own wording in his post, confusion about the listing being only for a box.   Yet, he listed it again, and changed nothing.  He stated, only changing his return policy to basically say he gets to decide if a return is warranted or not, you don’t read tough cookies!   (His words.)

 

THEN the buyer received the item and opens up a return request, stating he ordered it by mistake.  (DUH thought it was a phone not just a box).  Seller says  too bad for you.  Seller told him if he attempted to return it, he would just refuse it and return it to sender.    Well, I find it kind of funny that is precicisely what the buyer ends up doing?  Refuse-return to sender?

 

The many attempts to return this item to the seller on the part of the buyer shows he did not intend to purchase a box, only a box, for scheming purposes or any purpose.    He legitimately thought it was a phone, when he realized it was not, attempted to get his money back a few times, but the seller played hard ball and by his own admission now did not get his box back.  Even when buyer (ordered by mistake as the reason) would have had to pay the return shipping, seller still refuses return.

 

For many reasons there are lessons to be learned here.   Among them, from a seller perspective, do not try to force a buyer to keep your item at all costs or it might ultimately be your costs.

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@michael_atw wrote:

..however after all the grief you put them through I suppose I wouldn't blame them for doing so either.

Yes, folks.. there are times when theft is justified according to this poster.  


Correct. It's called "karma". Smiley Wink

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@dangre_1 wrote:

@beacamp2014 wrote:

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UPDATE:

I found out from PayPal that, apparently, after having the package since the 23rd, they have refused delivery today (26th). It's actually kind of weird, because the tracking info on eBay and USPS's website is different. Both seem to be missing certain information.

 

I'm not going to speculate on all that, though.


Welp, the packaged arrived, 6 oz lighter. I weighed it, because I noticed a different color tape had been used to seal the opened-since-I-sent-it packing box. I've made sure not to open it, but it seems to me the box is definitely no longer there. So, they had it for 3 days, opened it, removed the box, and then "refused" it. 

 


Why would the buyer steal an empty box and return you nothing? That makes no sense whatsoever


Maybe they don't want another buyer to buy it, thinking it is a phone and not a box?  Just a thought!

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@d-k_treasures wrote:

@rolenboy01 wrote:

@dangre_1 wrote:

@nowthatsjustducky wrote:

So much for the buyer just being confused on what he was buying, eh wot?


Let's just think about this for a minute a seller who is using borderline practices at best to sell empty boxes, now claims that the buyer ripped them off.

 

What would be the point of that why would somebody steal an empty box?


Perhaps the buyer knew exactly what they were buying but are feining ignorance because they needed a box for their own phone they are about to list and having the box and other original accessories will help it bring a better price? It happens all the time.


Could be - the OP can check for a phone listing within a few miles of the buyers zip code.

 

Ironic that an emepty box was sent, and an 'empty box' was received back ......... wouldn't mind listening to someone trying to explain that to a foreign ebay CSR.

 

 


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I think the OP is having a little fun here.
There are no completed listing showing on their account.
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Well, there are plenty of listings for empty S7 boxes that sell for around $5.  Listing it for $50..... The phone new has listings as low as $200.

 

People often change just enough info so that sleuths cannot find the listing. 



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@anlo_6640 wrote:
I think the OP is having a little fun here.
There are no completed listing showing on their account.

That means nothing.

 

Some people use posting IDs here that have no sales or purchases. You can never judge someone posting here solely based on their profile.

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I just find it funny how eBay sellers are supposed to be exactly like every other retail except the fact that every other retail - after purchase - does not cancel transactions.  You will not find any business - large or small - canceling transactions and rerouting packages and all sorts of nonsense.  If I buy an item from Wal-Mart, Barnes and Noble, ____ clothes retail, etc... I am getting it if I paid for it.  

A buyer who demands a cancellation immediately after purchase is a jerk.  No if's, and's, or but's.  And the more this forum (or any other forum) justifies their behavior, the more they will think it is ok.

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I'm not going to make any personal replies, because it's just not worth it.

 

I will say, however, the doubt shown here is exactly the reason why, after the things I noted about the returned package, I left it unopened until I could take it to the local PD and open it on camera.

 

If it wasn't the buyer, it happened en-route, and all that was in there was the packing slip and bubblewrap. Only the person who took it from the the package really knows what happened.

 

In the end, PayPal gave a knee-jerk grant of the buyer's appeal, but another call got me the money back, considering the 20 documents of evidence I'd provided.

 

After seeing today that the item was back up as an available listing, I removed it with a note. (Can't sell what I don't have.) A call to PayPal has confirmed the matter is resolved. I don't know if the buyer kept the refund or not.

 

I have no plans to check further on this thread.

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@beacamp2014 wrote:

I'm not going to make any personal replies, because it's just not worth it.

 

I will say, however, the doubt shown here is exactly the reason why, after the things I noted about the returned package, I left it unopened until I could take it to the local PD and open it on camera.

 

If it wasn't the buyer, it happened en-route, and all that was in there was the packing slip and bubblewrap. Only the person who took it from the the package really knows what happened.

 

In the end, PayPal gave a knee-jerk grant of the buyer's appeal, but another call got me the money back, considering the 20 documents of evidence I'd provided.

 

After seeing today that the item was back up as an available listing, I removed it with a note. (Can't sell what I don't have.) A call to PayPal has confirmed the matter is resolved. I don't know if the buyer kept the refund or not.

 

I have no plans to check further on this thread.


20 documents of evidence?

 

Sure...

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Well, I might not disagree that it is not pleasant when a buyer purchases and then immediately asks to cancel.   It has happened to me as well, and I don’t like it.  That said, however, I don’t force them to honor the sale because, IMHO , you invite too many issues and headaches upon you if you do that.   Additionally, I actually want the people to WANT my items.  Some people have problems with self control, their frontal cortexes are damaged or something and they don’t have impuluse control, their kids hit the buy button they were drunk I dont know....the bottom line, to me, and I realize we all see things differently, is that....when someone asks to cancel BEFORE I ship, it is a big relief to me.  

 

I certainly understand your frustration with that, but I just go with the notion that we are all human and we operate differently and, although I would not personally ask to cancel after a purchase, I acknowledge others do and I cannot control it so I don’t dwell on it.

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I am guessing "they" were banking on the buyer reading the item description. 

 

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RE.: "however after all the grief you put them through" 

 

As I see it, the buyer actually put their self through by not reading the item description.

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