04-26-2018 01:50 AM
So, it started that I listed a Samsung Galaxy S7 box some time ago (over a year) for $50 or best offer (honestly I figured someone would offer $15 at most and that would have been good for me). I'd done this after seeing other listings, and thought maybe people bought them as collector's items. I don't know. It was listed in the "cell phone accessories" section, the title included the word "READ", and the body stated "Just the box."
Also, in January, I updated all my listings to state that I only accept cancellations on a case-by-case basis and it depends on the reason. (In other words, if they didn't read it, tough cookies.) The listing in question also boasted a "no return policy" and a 10% donation to a charity.
All in all (and I confirmed this with eBay), pretty clear. I thought.
So, a buyer purchases the item. I call eBay just to be sure it was clear before I pay for shipping, because I'd had issue with a previous buyer and I had actually forgotten about the listing at that point (lots going on). EBay confirmed that I should be alright, so I paid for shipping and took the package to one of those blue USPS pickup boxes.
When I returned, I saw that the buyer had asked for pictures of the phone (what phone? There was no phone; only a box.) This message included a phone number (why?). A second message stated they wanted to confirm the cancellation. Well, I hadn't even seen that there was a request for cancellation, and eBay apparently auto-declined that when I purchased the postage.
I reply to the first message that the listing was for the box only, and cited quotes from the listing. I reply to the second message with, essentially, an apology but that it was too late and the item had been sent out.
The next morning, I receive another message, stating that they didn't want to box and to just not ship it and since the money was going for charity anyway (only 10% - not ALL of it!) and to send them a receipt. I was dumbfounded. I called eBay again, just to keep them in the loop. This was the most bizarre thing I'd ever heard of.
A few days go by, and the package is delivered. What do you know? I get a return request. They claim the item was "Ordered by mistake". I respond, repeating myself, and stating that any return would be marked "RTS" and refused. I follow-up by making a report with eBay.
Then this evening, I open my email to find claim has been opened with PayPal. I look to see that the reason selected was that the item never arrived. (How can you open a return on eBay for something you never received? Fishy.) I was watching a movie with my husband at the time, so I waited about 20 minutes for that to finish, and called them. Meanwhile, I attempted to upload the tracking number (which refused to work). After a bunch of hold time (I busied myself with other stuff) and maybe 10-15 minutes on the phone (part of which was spent with them investigating), they closed the case in my favor. Then I contact eBay to report the suspicious activity of the changing story. No big, right?
Except...I know they still have one potential last course of action -- at least if they used a card. *sigh* What do you do if the buyer changes their story every time they try to get their money back? Can that help my case if they go to their CC for a chargeback? To be honest, I'm hoping they won't think of it and they'll take the closed case as the end of it. But...as I've seen that's not always the case.
04-27-2018 12:06 PM
@myangelandmyprincess wrote:
@missjen831 wrote:
@getitright1234 wrote:If the buyer refused the package, they waived/ voided their MBG. So, it will be up to the seller to decide if they will voluntarily refund the buyer.
Now had I listed the Cell Phone Box and I knew I was selling only the Box, I would have plastered the listing: "No Phone" "Just the Box" in as many areas of the listing as possible.
In marketing/advertising, there is a thing called, Puffing/Puffery:
"Advertisers try to persuade people to buy a product or service through various methods. A company may deliver an entertaining message about its product, compare the product to a similar item, list facts about the product, or make vague claims about the product which cannot be proved or disproved. This last method is known as "puffery" — the advertiser "puffs up" the product to seem like more than it is. Puffery is not illegal and is a common method used in advertising"
At worse this is what the OP did; however, on eBay this (can be) a costly mistake for a seller. The seller could be out original, return shipping, and the actual product.
In the end:
This buyer fell for the Puffery and fell for yet another issue: the issue of having refused the package which voided their MBG. The buyer will be forced to do a charge back.
@getitright1234 Wrong. This is not an INR so refusing the package did not void the MBG.
Refusing the package voids a SNAD too tho. But it wouldn’t matter since the buyer already opened and lost(?) with PayPal filing with eBay isn’t an option. Chargeback would be all that is left
No it doesn't void SNAD.
04-28-2018 11:47 AM
@beacamp2014 wrote:UPDATE:
I found out from PayPal that, apparently, after having the package since the 23rd, they have refused delivery today (26th). It's actually kind of weird, because the tracking info on eBay and USPS's website is different. Both seem to be missing certain information.
I'm not going to speculate on all that, though.
Welp, the packaged arrived, 6 oz lighter. I weighed it, because I noticed a different color tape had been used to seal the opened-since-I-sent-it packing box. I've made sure not to open it, but it seems to me the box is definitely no longer there. So, they had it for 3 days, opened it, removed the box, and then "refused" it.
04-28-2018 11:59 AM
So much for the buyer just being confused on what he was buying, eh wot?
04-28-2018 01:39 PM
Certainy seems that way, doesn't it?
04-30-2018 12:04 AM
You're claiming the buyer scammed you out of an empty box? LOL
Somehow I don't beleive that... however after all the grief you put them through I suppose I wouldn't blame them for doing so either.
04-30-2018 03:30 AM
Jonathan is correct. I can see how easy it would have been for the buyer to mistakenly think they were getting a phone and not a box. I understand that the buyer was prevented from canceling the order. Ebay only gives them a short period of time to do that. I also understand that the OP had just gone about his quick shipping business to get the item out and got hit with request to cancel too late. When this has happened to us we most certainly do not want to get a customer all roused up ready to leave us a bad review and open a case with us because we refused to honor their cancel or return request. In a situation like this you message the buyer tell the the item has been shipped but you will honor a return request. You can tell them they have to pay the retun ship back since it was their mistake not reading the descript properly, but watch out for that too because they will further get upset about that.
04-30-2018 03:36 AM
Could have been confusion, then vindictive return.
04-30-2018 11:05 AM
04-30-2018 11:55 AM
@beacamp2014 wrote:
@beacamp2014 wrote:UPDATE:
I found out from PayPal that, apparently, after having the package since the 23rd, they have refused delivery today (26th). It's actually kind of weird, because the tracking info on eBay and USPS's website is different. Both seem to be missing certain information.
I'm not going to speculate on all that, though.
Welp, the packaged arrived, 6 oz lighter. I weighed it, because I noticed a different color tape had been used to seal the opened-since-I-sent-it packing box. I've made sure not to open it, but it seems to me the box is definitely no longer there. So, they had it for 3 days, opened it, removed the box, and then "refused" it.
Why would the buyer steal an empty box and return you nothing? That makes no sense whatsoever
04-30-2018 11:57 AM
@nowthatsjustducky wrote:So much for the buyer just being confused on what he was buying, eh wot?
Let's just think about this for a minute a seller who is using borderline practices at best to sell empty boxes, now claims that the buyer ripped them off.
What would be the point of that why would somebody steal an empty box?
04-30-2018 12:03 PM
@dangre_1 wrote:
@nowthatsjustducky wrote:So much for the buyer just being confused on what he was buying, eh wot?
Let's just think about this for a minute a seller who is using borderline practices at best to sell empty boxes, now claims that the buyer ripped them off.
What would be the point of that why would somebody steal an empty box?
As I was thinking and as @vintagecraze50 said, since the OP put this buyer through such a big hassle, it may have been a vindictive return. (Return an empty box which in fact does not contain the, well, "empty box" the OP sneakily sold them).
Would be kind of ironic though wouldn't it?
Seller: "Haha you're stuck with an empty box!"
Buyer: after filing SNAD "Nope, looks like you are indeed the one literally stuck with an empty box!"
Haha I dunno why that's so amusing but in this case it just is.
04-30-2018 05:27 PM
You are funny Jonathan, nice little laugh from that one. Thanks!
05-03-2018 06:15 PM
..however after all the grief you put them through I suppose I wouldn't blame them for doing so either.
Yes, folks.. there are times when theft is justified according to this poster.
05-03-2018 06:17 PM
Why would the buyer steal an empty box and return you nothing? That makes no sense whatsoever
Glad we are all able to keep this thread alive and well with and endless flood of assumptions and "I just simply don't understand" material.
So far:
Why would the buyer buy an empty box?
Why would the seller not put "BOX ONLY" in the header?
Why would the buyer steal an empty box?
Let's see what one comes next...
05-04-2018 05:44 AM
@dangre_1 wrote:
@nowthatsjustducky wrote:So much for the buyer just being confused on what he was buying, eh wot?
Let's just think about this for a minute a seller who is using borderline practices at best to sell empty boxes, now claims that the buyer ripped them off.
What would be the point of that why would somebody steal an empty box?
Perhaps the buyer knew exactly what they were buying but are feining ignorance because they needed a box for their own phone they are about to list and having the box and other original accessories will help it bring a better price? It happens all the time.