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All the shadow banning threads are being closed "due to age."....LOL.

eBay, you need to stop treating your most loyal long-term sellers with such blatant disrespect.  ALL ITEMS SHOULD BE LISTED WITH THE SAME VIEWABILITY.

 

If items must be "promoted" by forcing sellers to give up what little profit margin they may have left in this runaway inflationary economy, you will soon have no sellers left except your favored fraudsters, cheats, scammers, drop shippers, etc.

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All the shadow banning threads are being closed "due to age."....LOL.

@bonjourami  Some people really, really dislike Facebook---the site---and avoid it as much as possible. I think what is being said is he really, really needed ebay's help, and so he went to Facebook, a site he would not normally go to for any reason.

 

Personally, I use facebook ....don't like everything about it, but it is useful for some things. But some people want nothing to do with it, just as some people want nothing to do with Amazon (or ebay, for that matter)

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@bonjourami wrote:

"The other was regarding customer service because at the time, I was so desperate to get help from ebay that I even went onto Facebook to reach out. I went to facebook, that's desperate."

 

Jmho, I think the Facebook online help is one of the best things Ebay has ever done. I dont see anything 'desperate' about it.


That only thing is you have to go to Zuckerworld to use it.   But, any port and all that.


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It's Rae Dunn so I am guessing, more like an attempt to ride a trend.  I was being sarcastic of course. 

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Lots of new threads about people quitting over pay-to-play.

 

Just wait until that tiny snowball takes out the chalet.  Maybe eBay will start paying attention then...?

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All the shadow banning threads are being closed "due to age."....LOL.

Doubtful though, modern business executives would rather go bankrupt and take their golden parachute than admit they were wrong.

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@theteamsetguy   

I case you didn’t realize manufacturers pay slotting fees to grocery stores for better visibility of their products. This is the reason the big brands like Coke, Pepsi, Cheerios, Doritos, Cheetos, and etc. are displayed more prominently. They can afford to pay the slotting fees while many smaller brands cannot afford it. I equate promoted listing fees to slotting fees.

 

Slotting fees are not illegal. Some would say it is not fair. Another example is retail space. Rent for space on a busy street corner is a lot more because of better visibility. 

I agree with you on you slotting fees at the grocery store........ but those companies pay for something specific and quantifiable.  They are paying for an endcap or shelf in a highly visible location based on their product and have control over what they purchase.  Promoted listings just randomly inserts listings on other searches regardless of relevancy. = When ebay shows a promoted listing of a pair of mens socks to someone you searches for dishwasher part- it is not relevant.  A company would not pay a slotting fee to have their Hemorrhoid cream placed on a shelf in the fruit isle next to the bananas. They would have it displayed in the medicine isle prominently because that is logically where someone would be looking for it.

     Ebay wants to call PL- advertising but its not.... advertising is transparent and you control what you pay for. If you choose to promote, it then suppresses your organic search results and overall has been contributing to the utter lack of relevancy in search results.  People generally do not buy items they dont want just because it was shoved in their face (candy bars and impulse purchase trinkets excluded).   

 

The sad thing is that promoted listings have screwed up the search so bad that often now in order to find something- you MUST find a listing that is slightly similar to what you are looking for and then scroll through the provided promoted listings carousels to find what you want because those items no longer show up in the organic search results!!!!!   Its absurd.  We cant buy what we cant see or find...... ebay is making it 10x harder to find active relevant listings on the platform all the while charging sellers more PL fees under the guise of "its advertising".

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Fantastic post.  TRUTH BOMB!

 

Thanks!

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High percent -> high results is the assumption people make, I'm currently in the middle of testing it a little bit.  I took one of my campaigns, ended it, split it in half, set half of it to a lower percentage and the other half to a high percentage (splitting it by alphabetical order, with alternate pages going to alternate campaigns so I don't accidentally favor one batch of merchandise).    Running that for several months and will see what comes up. 

I also took another campaign and left it up, but removed half the listings and created a new campaign with a higher percentage.  The reason I did this one differently, is to help me judge whether my extra sales are actually new sales - or if half of my 'split' campaign is cannibalizing the other!  Because that is also a possibility. 

We shall see!

I suggest that other people with large numbers of items in one category should split it in half and try this too.  Might as well, since sales are in the doldrums anyway.  Maybe if enough of us do this, Ebay will get worried and let people see our listings. 😉 

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All the shadow banning threads are being closed "due to age."....LOL.

Maybe if we all banded together and refused to participate in this extortion racket altogether, we could end the darned thing.

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All the shadow banning threads are being closed "due to age."....LOL.

"Maybe if we all banded together and refused to participate in this extortion racket altogether, we could end the darned thing."

 

All of the thirty million sellers?



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@stevemartin60 wrote:

Doubtful though, modern business executives would rather go bankrupt and take their golden parachute than admit they were wrong.


I am no 'modern business executive' but if given the choice between bankruptcy & a golden parachute or admitting that I was wrong (about something or other) I would take the money every time. Wouldn't you?

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First set of results are in!

I started with books.  Books are a situation where the prices are depressed compared to the past (thanks to  the advent of a few huge paper recyclers who dominate the market with books they get for free from thrift-store disposal, and sell them for less than the CommBasePlus shipping cost for us plebs.)  They are also a heavily standardized and cataloged category.  The sort of place where - one would think - a boost from Promotions would help.  Right? 

And I have a lot of them, enough that their individual differences tend to average out. Nor are mine rare or collectible. For the most part, just good readin' books. 

All right.  I took one of my book categories with 1000+ listings in it, divided it in half very carefully (listing in alphabetical order, then taking alternate pages for each of the two resulting categories, to avoid bias). I then set one category at 5% promotion, already higher than I usually do.  And set the other at 15%, three times that.  Borderline excessive I call it!

And then I let it run for two weeks.  The results are shown below. 

As you can see, the 3x percentage DID increase impressions.  About doubled.  It also increased clicks...tripled. 

But what it did NOT increase during those two weeks...is sales.  
In fact, though the difference is probably to be seen as negligible given that the numbers are both small, the promotion with the LOWER percentage sold more.

Now look at the line graphs.  The organic-visibility line is similar in its overall shape, for both  half-categories.  As it should be, since I  was careful to avoid bias.  But it's actually a bit higher for the lower-percentage promotion.  The promoted impressions line is higher for the higher-percentage promotion.  But this doesn't seem to result in more sales, though it probably results in more clicks.   But those clicks don't end in sales.   What happens instead? I don't know. But one possibility is that people are clicking, and looking at the listing, then seeing the same item at lower prices from those paper-recyclers I mentioned just now, at the bottom of the screen in the "other customers bought..." boxes. And then buying those instead.

I will be letting this run for the rest of the month.  And at that point, probably, I will be setting both book categories down to the bare minimum promotion percentage.  Because whatever the explanation for why this is happening - and my experience with my own and others' shopping behavior suggests some possibilities - the promotions do not seem to be spurring sales...

...at least as far as books are concerned. book vs book.png


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Haha it's so true!! Literally less the 24 HOURS after I posted my concerns on another thread on Jan 1 it was "closed due to age"!! 

 

Ebay should be held accountable to what it's doing to longtime customers/sellers, and all over what - probably our political and social affiliations???  If that is true, the legal term for this is DISCRIMINATION.  To this day I am getting barely any views or sales on anything and it needs to be addressed or I will look into what legal remedies we have for such actions.

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I've noticed it does not matter if I set my promoted listing to the HIGHEST POSSIBLE RATE - I am no longer getting views or sales that I did prior to them doing an "update"... It honestly makes no sense.

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