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Here's why we'll never buy ShipCover insurance again....

We recently sold an item to a buyer that was damaged by the carrier in transit. We had purchased ShipCover insurance for the full value of the item to protect both ourselves and the buyer from any losses.

 

However, when the buyer received the item they opened a return case for "Item not as described" instead of "Damaged in transit".

 

We explained that there was no need to worry as the item was fully insured and that the proper course of action is to proceed with the insurance claim as not only would they be fully reimbursed but they would likely be able to keep the items as well.

 

We requested that the buyer upload photos of the package which clearly showed signs of mishandling.

 

Initially the buyer seemed fine with proceeding with the insurance claim.

 

However, when we went to file the claim we realized that we had to wait 7 days before we could even initiate the ShipCover claim (the reasoning for this is simply unfathomable). This is contrary to how eBay is marketing the insurance to sellers as it's supposed to streamline and expedite the claims process which couldn't be any further from the truth.

 

Had we purchased USPS insurance the claims process would have been able to be initiated immediately so they are false advertising the benefits of their own branded insurance.

 

Despite not being able to file a ShipCover claim until 5/24, the return request required that we take action by 5/20.

 

We called eBay and their incompetent outsourced staff in the Philippines were not knowledgable about eBay's own branded insurance coverage. We spoke with half a dozen reps who all gave us conflicting information ranging from "On this one, you can just ignore the return request" to "I don't know let me transfer you to my colleague who can further assist you".

 

So, we tried our best to get the disgruntled buyer to sit and twiddle their thumbs for 7 days. However, on 5/20 when eBay informed them that they were eligible to escalate the claim to customer service, that's exactly what they did.

 

Within an hour or two eBay had closed the case in the buyers favor and told them to return the damaged items to us at our expense and before we could even bat an eyelash USPS had possession of the items.

 

We immediately attempted to appeal the decision based on the fact that the buyer used incorrect reasoning for the return request and that they had provided clear evidence of mishandling in transit and that the terms of the insurance policy clearly states that the buyer must hold onto the items in order for the insurance company to investigate the claim.

 

By telling the buyer to return the items they negated our ability to win the insurance claim.

 

It's unfathomable that they would sell us their own branded insurance and then deny us the ability to make a claim by requiring us to resolve a return case before we are even eligible to open a claim with the insurance company.

 

Despite us not being at fault for damaging the items, and despite us purchasing eBay's ShipCover insurance, we could not win a claim and the damaged items were returned to us at our expense and the buyer was fully reimbursed including outbound shipping and we ultimately wound up taking a significant loss which was the direct result of eBay's disorganization.

 

It's a pretty difficult pill to swallow and at this point it seems that the only recourse is to sue eBay in small claims court for their mishandling of this situation and for selling us insurance that they did not give us an opportunity to redeem.

 

After 20 years this really seems like the end of the road for us as the level of disorganization at eBay resulting from their outsourced workforce is intolerable and this type of outcome where a seller must unjustly eat the bill for something that should have been rightfully insured is just unacceptable.

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The issue is that eBay sold us a branded insurance policy which conflicts with their own return policy. Any lawyer would advise you that it is a very strong case. Whether or not you acknowledge that is, quite frankly, irrelevant. No further response is required from you as we will not continue to beat an ignorant dead horse. Good day.

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It was the buyer who did not mark it as damaged in transit, they said it was a defective item. 

It's eBay's responsibility to verify the details provided by both parties upon escalation as to not solely rely on a buyer's claim. The details of the case are perspicuous when viewed in totality.

 

Surely, a careless employee may have failed to do their job correctly and simply authorized a return that was inaccurately submitted by the buyer. Unfortunately, that is one of the many downsides of outsourcing an entire workforce to various locations across the globe as it results in disorganization and incompetence. However, it's the responsibility of eBay's management to ensure that their employees are properly trained to perform their duties with integrity and they're to be held liable in the event that turns out not to be the case.

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@lightrix wrote:

The issue is that eBay sold us a branded insurance policy which conflicts with their own return policy. Any lawyer would advise you that it is a very strong case. Whether or not you acknowledge that is, quite frankly, irrelevant. No further response is required from you as we will not continue to beat an ignorant dead horse. Good day.


 

Ebay doesn't really care what the insurance company policy is, they go by their policy.

All of this would have been taken care of if you had refunded the buyer and had them hang on to the item and package, then you could of filed your insurance case.

The buyer was going to be refunded anyway, so there was no reason to make them wait and see if the insurance company was going to pay or not.

Have a great day
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@whattheactualfox wrote:

Yes the buyer did choose the wrong item, it should have been "damaged in transit" instead of "Item not as Described" I can agree with you on that.


 

 

If the buyer went through the Resolution Center, there is only two choices to choose from.

I haven't received it yet.

I received an item that does not match the seller's description.

 

Even though it was damaged during shipping, the buyer didn't receive the item in the condition as the listing said.

That's why it's not as described.

 

 

 

 

Have a great day
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Ebay doesn't really care what the insurance company policy is, they go by their policy.


The law will require eBay to care since the insurance policy is branded under their own trademark.

 


All of this would have been taken care of if you had refunded the buyer and had them hang on to the item and package, then you could of filed your insurance case.


Once again, you're just blatantly wrong.

 

Multiple eBay representatives adamantly advised us against refunding the buyer before initiating the claim or upon receipt of the return items. The reasoning for that is that once the buyer is refunded they are have free to do as they please without consequence and there would be no requirement for the buyer to cooperate with a claim or to return the items.

 

You better be careful publicly exhibiting your ignorance and uncanny reliance on the honor system as you're exposing yourself to a malicious attack from the myriad of people out there that like to take advantage of the system and those who don't understand how to protect themselves.

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eBay reps frequently lie, make things up, or just plain give incorrect information to people. 

as for the rest of this, the no-help forums strike again.  I've lost count of how many posts I've made, or read from others, where someone posts a specific issue and Sparky Junior comes along and posts something irrelevant or repeats something already said because they didn't read your entire post, or didn't read the entire thread.  9 times out of 10 people seem more interested in blaming the person with the problem than helping solve the problem.  

eBay pulls this stuff because they can, because the company is run by clueless elitists who don't care about a bunch of, to paraphrase former FBI agent Peter Strzok, "smelly Wal-mart people".   You may have a valid legal claim against eBay but it will cost you dozens of times of the value of the claim to sue and even with a win in court you're unlikely to collect anything. 


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This same exact thing is happening to me right now.  Identical almost .  But what I did was asked escalations team to put the falsely opened case as item not described that should have been opened as damage in transit on hold to allow the  claim to be processed and also froze my selling account so ebay could not take any sales  money against the high dollar hold .    The buyer that just jumped on ebay the same day they purchased my item , so only 1 transaction that’s mine, wouldn’t cooperate with the insurance claim.  I noticed on the case , ebay typed in , case on hold to allow the insurance claim to process as that’s what I told them , now has been edited by ebay the other day just saying case put on hold .  Just 2 days prior when I spoke to escalation team, they said the claim was  put on hold was delaying the insurance claim and I called **bleep** on them and told them it’s because the escalation  team put the case on hold to allow time for the claim to process .  They are pulling some dirty moves.  I will indeed close my bank account if ebay doesn’t allow my claim to process and if it’s denied .  NO WAY WILL EBAY EVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACH INTO MY BANK.  ACCOUNT .  Ebay managed payment’s back office is as dirty as they come .    It’s not worth a dime anymore to sell on eBay .

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@disneyqueenpins 

 

Buyers are not required to participate in the insurance process. They don’t have to save packaging or take photos. 

How do you know it’s a false claim? 
The answer to that question doesn’t matter. When a buyer opens a claim, it’s go time for the seller. Items damaged in transit fall into ‘item not as described’. 

You can’t freeze eBay out. If there is no money in the account to cover the refund, they will go to a credit card on file. If there is no credit card, they will overdraw on the account. If that doesn’t work, they will take it to collections. eBay WILL get their money from you, one way or another. 

 

No one asked, but I am looking forward to the day when having feedback default sorted by relevance seems right.
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@disneyqueenpins wrote:

also froze my selling account so ebay could not take any sales  money against the high dollar hold .

 

I will indeed close my bank account if ebay doesn’t allow my claim to process and if it’s denied .  NO WAY WILL EBAY EVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACH INTO MY BANK.  ACCOUNT . 


Does that mean @disneyqueenpins that eBay already has your money for the refund?

 

And trying to lock eBay out is too late?

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There are supposed "protections" for sellers when buyers will not participate with insurance claims....however no blue has ever said what those might be and how to use them.

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You do not have the details of the case, recorded phone calls , documented messages back and forth and the blocks that I took photos of but I do.    Ebay will not take any money from me , they will not have any kind of access 

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No, they don’t , and. I it’s not too late at all.  I have discussed with my bank and have the entire ordeal recorded and documented .  

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Watch me , it’s already been discussed with my bank and I was already  told by the insured company that ebay owns that if the buyer doesn’t cooperate , then NO, I don’t have to refund and also ebay said the same thing too.  I can and will protect my bank account against their auto system 

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No, they don’t have it and it’s not too late at all.  I have discussed with my bank and have the entire ordeal recorded and documented .    I could not care less if I ever sell on eBay again .  I have too good of a record of 16 years to have to defend myself against a buyer that jumped in ebay for the one single transaction.    I have over 7,000 and a sterling reputation .   I have all the proof I need before I finish up my tax reporting for Oct 2021 - Dec 2021 and close  my account   I have recorded all conversations and took photos of everything and even the messages and chats going back and forth and also discussion with the insurance company.   I have all the info and you don’t …. So you have no idea what you are talking about because I have had the conversations with the ins comknay directly and not you. 

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I have read some bad things about eBay collections and associated fees.

I know you are upset, but be VERY careful. You can recover from this now, but if you start closing accounts you will not win and will be charged more than you may be  out now in collections fees.

Please be careful. Your selling history is good.

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