08-23-2024 10:59 AM
Has Ebay always provided a refund to the buyer before the item even gets back to the seller?
I am the seller, and I accept returns. I have an item coming back to me due to fit. The buyer just shipped it and it seems like once it got the USPS acceptance scan, Ebay gave the buyer their refund. Baffling. I didn't authorize the refund because I don't have it back yet.
08-23-2024 12:36 PM
@jjddmwi I've recently seen where eBay is considering offering advanced refunds for "Trusted Buyers" in auto parts categories but have not heard of it in clothing categories (which I'm assuming from your active listings would have been what this order was for.)
We've been trying to get more information about what the criteria is for the "Trusted Buyer" program since eBay doesn't publish anything about it publicly and it appears it may include other perks as well like avoiding immediate payment requirements on offers, based on what @my-cottage-books-and-antiques posted here:
devon@ebay kyle@ebay elizabeth@ebay - can you please provide details about why some buyers would be receiving advanced refunds like this, and if it is part of a Trusted Buyer program, please provide details about that program as well including eligibility criteria?
08-23-2024 12:39 PM
@valueaddedresource my guess is that nobody is allowed to tell anyone what that would entail, or the bad guys will find a way to 'be one'.
08-23-2024 12:50 PM - edited 08-23-2024 12:53 PM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:@valueaddedresource my guess is that nobody is allowed to tell anyone what that would entail, or the bad guys will find a way to 'be one'.
@stainlessenginecovers I'm sure eBay would like to use that reasoning but....they have no problem publicly publishing the criteria for being a Top Rated Seller and (apparently) no problem tracking and enforcing who is meeting those standard and gets to "be one".
If a Trusted Buyer program exists which allows some buyers to have special perks like advanced refunds, circumventing intentionally chosen seller settings like immediate payment required, and who knows what else, I see no reason whatsoever that eBay couldn't and shouldn't provide the same level of transparency about it.
And for anyone who thinks it's different because they are buyers - eBay Australia has a program called eBay Plus that allows buyers to pay a membership fee for special perks like free shipping and free returns and again, there's no problem with that being public knowledge.
08-23-2024 12:58 PM - edited 08-23-2024 12:59 PM
@valueaddedresource wrote:
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:@valueaddedresource my guess is that nobody is allowed to tell anyone what that would entail, or the bad guys will find a way to 'be one'.
@stainlessenginecovers I'm sure eBay would like to use that reasoning but....they have no problem publicly publishing the criteria for being a Top Rated Seller and (apparently) no problem tracking and enforcing who is meeting those standard and gets to "be one".
If a Trusted Buyer program exists which allows some buyers to have special perks like advanced refunds, circumventing intentionally chosen seller settings like immediate payment required, and who knows what else, I see no reason whatsoever that eBay couldn't and shouldn't provide the same level of transparency about it.
And for anyone who thinks it's different because they are buyers - eBay Australia has a program called eBay Plus that allows buyers to pay a membership fee for special perks like free shipping and free returns and again, there's no problem with that being public knowledge.
https://www.ebay.com.au/ebayplus/
Yes; but paying for a perk a person would have to know what they are paying for; seems completely different than the 'special buyer' (or whatever they're calling it); as well as it's something being 'paid' for and not something 'earned'?
08-23-2024 01:08 PM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:
@valueaddedresource wrote:
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:@valueaddedresource my guess is that nobody is allowed to tell anyone what that would entail, or the bad guys will find a way to 'be one'.
@stainlessenginecovers I'm sure eBay would like to use that reasoning but....they have no problem publicly publishing the criteria for being a Top Rated Seller and (apparently) no problem tracking and enforcing who is meeting those standard and gets to "be one".
If a Trusted Buyer program exists which allows some buyers to have special perks like advanced refunds, circumventing intentionally chosen seller settings like immediate payment required, and who knows what else, I see no reason whatsoever that eBay couldn't and shouldn't provide the same level of transparency about it.
And for anyone who thinks it's different because they are buyers - eBay Australia has a program called eBay Plus that allows buyers to pay a membership fee for special perks like free shipping and free returns and again, there's no problem with that being public knowledge.
https://www.ebay.com.au/ebayplus/
Yes; but paying for a perk a person would have to know what they are paying for; seems completely different than the 'special buyer' (or whatever they're calling it); as well as it's something being 'paid' for and not something 'earned'?
@stainlessenginecovers since sellers pay FVF, store fees etc and part of what they are paying for is the ability to set certain policies and requirements for their businesses, should eBay be obligated to inform them about when/why those settings will not be honored?
08-23-2024 02:21 PM
Yes, this is in the clothing category. As a matter of fact, I have 2 returns coming back and BOTH buyers received the advanced refund.
No idea if it matters, but both are returning due to not fitting - and I have 30 day returns, buyer pays shipping.
08-23-2024 02:46 PM
@jjddmwi wrote:
Yes, this is in the clothing category. As a matter of fact, I have 2 returns coming back and BOTH buyers received the advanced refund.
No idea if it matters, but both are returning due to not fitting - and I have 30 day returns, buyer pays shipping.
Thanks @jjddmwi - I've been digging into it more and discovered a stealth unannounced change in eBay's Refunding Buyers policy page. 🔍
The Internet Archive shows this is what the page looked like on April 9, 2024:
And here's what the page says today:
https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/managing-returns-refunds/refunding-buyers?id=5182#section1
Unfortunately, April was the most recent archive so it's impossible to say when exactly it changed, but considering we haven't seen very many (any that I'm aware of?) reports here in the community from other seller seeing it, I'd guess it's likely much more recent than that - probably in the last month or so.
It says this change will not impact seller protections , so in theory sellers should still be able to deduct up to 50% if an item is used or damaged by the buyer and should still have neutral and negative feedback removed if they choose to deduct from the refund for that reason.
However, it's not clear how that will actually work in practice.
If the buyer is provided a full refund in advance and the seller completes the process with an allowed deduction once the item is actually received, does eBay let that buyer keep the full amount and just eat the difference themselves or will that difference be taken back from the buyer?
If it is taken back from the buyer, that sounds like a recipe for all kinds of problems, including possibly running afoul of consumer protection laws and regulations and most certainly increasing chargebacks claiming unauthorized charges.
I'm guessing eBay may be planning on revealing details at eBay Open and/or in the Fall Seller Update but since this is clearly already in effect now, they really do owe it to sellers to provide information now, in my opinion.
devon@ebay kyle@ebay elizabeth@ebay please get with the appropriate team to find out when this went into effect and details of how it works, including how eBay determines when a buyer is eligible for an advanced refund and who funds the difference if the seller rightfully deducts from the refund once the item is received back.
08-23-2024 03:53 PM - edited 08-23-2024 03:55 PM
@valueaddedresource Great work! You are always so helpful.
I am curious to see what my screen will look like when it comes time to refund (whether I have the option to make a deduction.) Prematurely refunding buyers doesn't make sense to me at all.
I'm guessing we haven't seen this mentioned here because most seller's don't realize it is happening. The only way I knew was because my buyer alerted me to it.
08-23-2024 04:04 PM - edited 08-23-2024 04:05 PM
@jjddmwi wrote:@valueaddedresource Great work! You are always so helpful.
I am curious to see what my screen will look like when it comes time to refund (whether I have the option to make a deduction.) Prematurely refunding buyers doesn't make sense to me at all.
I'm guessing we haven't seen this mentioned here because most seller's don't realize it is happening. The only way I knew was because my buyer alerted me to it.
@jjddmwi I'm definitely curious what it will look like when you go to process the refund on your side after receiving the item too!
I agree a premature refund doesn't make much sense.
Unless eBay plans to just eat the difference themselves and let the buyer go on their merry way with a full refund there are bound to be major problems in my opinion.
And if eBay does plan to just eat the difference, that could cause a whole other set of problems by rewarding (or at least not applying any consequences for) returning items that have been used/damaged - that could easily create a sense of buyer entitlement that could have disastrous effects, especially since the policy seems to indicate advanced credits will only be provided "sometimes".
08-23-2024 04:29 PM
@valueaddedresource@stainlessenginecovers since sellers pay FVF, store fees etc and part of what they are paying for is the ability to set certain policies and requirements for their businesses, should eBay be obligated to inform them about when/why those settings will not be honored?
Your 'store fees' and 'fvf's has NEVER bought you the ability to do anything any specific way unless this site wants to allow you to...for the moment.
You don't have any 'requirements' that will override this site's new 'promotion' (coming to a theatre near you) of being the 'easiest/fastest etc.' (for customer returns) if you don't love it!! etc etc.
In fact, you don't have any requirements regarding how returns are handled- you have to abide by this site's requirements and if they just 'change their mind' and say 'EVERYTHING is refundable'- there will be NO MORE 'No Returns' on this site (coming soon is my guess) you have 2 choices.
Leave or abide.
08-24-2024 10:29 AM
@valueaddedresource I received both returns today, and they both had an option to deduct.
08-24-2024 11:02 AM
@jjddmwi wrote:@valueaddedresource I received both returns today, and they both had an option to deduct.
@jjddmwi glad to hear it, thanks for keeping us updated!
08-24-2024 08:24 PM
@valueaddedresource wrote:devon@ebay kyle@ebay elizabeth@ebay - can you please provide details about why some buyers would be receiving advanced refunds like this, and if it is part of a Trusted Buyer program, please provide details about that program as well including eligibility criteria?
It's not "advanced" -- it's an eBay advance refund.
Rather, eBay has decided to advance a refund to some buyers. It's on the screenshot.
Also some buyers can ask eBay to step in it if the seller issues a partial refund after a return, and eBay may cover that shortage. So this advance refund would be final, with no need to ask eBay to cover any shortage.
Additionally as the buyer is believed to be a trusted buyer, it is unlikely that the returned item that was issued an advance refund will be found lacking, subject to a partial refund.
08-26-2024 08:10 AM
@valueaddedresource wrote:
@jjddmwi I've recently seen where eBay is considering offering advanced refunds for "Trusted Buyers" in auto parts categories but have not heard of it in clothing categories (which I'm assuming from your active listings would have been what this order was for.)
We've been trying to get more information about what the criteria is for the "Trusted Buyer" program since eBay doesn't publish anything about it publicly and it appears it may include other perks as well like avoiding immediate payment requirements on offers, based on what @my-cottage-books-and-antiques posted here:
devon@ebay kyle@ebay elizabeth@ebay - can you please provide details about why some buyers would be receiving advanced refunds like this, and if it is part of a Trusted Buyer program, please provide details about that program as well including eligibility criteria?
Hey @valueaddedresource! At this time we do not have any additional details that we can share on this topic.