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Northern Ireland Brexit rules not implemented by eBay

I am a trader with goods located in Florida, New York, Northern Ireland, Great Britain, and Germany. So I am unfortunately well versed in customs and taxation laws and rules...

 

Five ongoing problems concerning sellers:

a) based in any country and with items located in Northern Ireland being advertised to buyers in EU countries and/or being dispatched to EU countries
b) based in any country and with items in EU countries being advertised to buyers in Northern Ireland and/or being dispatched to Northern Ireland

1. invalid message being displayed to EU browsers about potential customs charges and delays (existed since January 01 2021) -- there are no customs charges or even customs examinations of non-freight and non-excise movements of goods between Northern Ireland and EU member states, indeed since December 31 1972, the day before the United Kingdom joined the EU

2. inability to elect Northern Ireland as the EU One Stop Shop registration country on the page https://www.ebay.co.uk/spr/vat (existed since the date eBay integrated OSS VAT-rate calculations in their website logic, around early June 2021 iirc)
3. (caused by same causes of issue 1) Northern Ireland is excluded from the location category 'European Union' despite that since January 01 2021 all goods located in Northern Ireland and to be transported to EU member states are to be considered as being in the EU. This is written in law (EU: Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland; UK: Northern Ireland Protocol) and that it is not in the EU should not be a reason to exclude it from this category, considering that it must follow the same rules as EU member states when it comes to the sale and transit of goods.
4. (caused by same causes of issue 1) Northern Ireland is not listed as a separate country on the country dropdown list (it is not a sovereign state, but it is a country with distinct VAT and customs rules, and because eBay deals primarily with facilitating transactions involving goods, Northern Ireland should be a distinct entry on this list) -- related issues include sellers in countries outside Northern Ireland and Great Britain not being able to specify or exclude shipping to either of these, sellers outside UK not having accurate sales data for tax reporting (especially important for excise transactions)

5. eBay help pages barely mention Northern Ireland, despite that the rules concerning it are complex. eBay help pages do not mention customs rules related to goods movements between EU member states and Northern Ireland. eBay help pages use the term 'United Kingdom' in many places where it should be 'Great Britain', with regard to the legislation The Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland (EU law) and The Northern Ireland Protocol (UK law). This has the unfortunate effect of giving little to no help to eBay customer support so they can find out how to resolve the problem.


Problems started January 01 2021 when eBay applied rules concerning Great Britain to Northern Ireland, despite that there are two sets of rules for these regions respectively. Efforts to get customer service to resolve any of the above issues to date have been unsuccessful, most likely because they are not familiar with the rules and those rules are not mentioned in eBay's help pages. Rules summarised on page 9 of https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/vat-goods_en.pdf

 

I have companies registered on ebay.com, ebay.co.uk, ebay.fr, ebay.de, and ebay.ie. The problems are the same on all of these sites, so I assume they exist for all the eBay sites. The problems persist across accounts, browsers, and devices


Attached image shows the missing checkbox beside Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is not an EU member state but Northern Ireland uses EU Union One Stop Shop, just like all EU member states. It is unique in this regard, because it is outside the EU yet it uses the internal EU One Stop Shop, because goods movements from Northern Ireland to EU and vice versa are considered intra-EU movements. Page is https://www.ebay.com/spr/vat


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@txt.ltd 

 

This is the US site, you might want to return to the UK site and ask your questions there.

Have a great day.
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@kensgiftshop 

 

yes, this is the US site. I do not want to "return" to the UK site and ask my questions there. Did you even read my post before replying? Not very helpful.

 

I have companies registered on ebay.com, ebay.co.uk, ebay.fr, ebay.de, and ebay.ie. The problems are the same on all of these sites, so I assume they exist for all the eBay sites.


Furthermore, I am not asking a question. I am sharing a technical issue. In the 'Share eBay Technical Issues' section.

Not sure why you even responded!

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@kensgiftshop  replied because he was trying to help.   And then you get snippy with him.   So good luck getting your problem solved.

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@txt.ltd wrote:

@kensgiftshop 

 

yes, this is the US site. I do not want to "return" to the UK site and ask my questions there. Did you even read my post before replying? Not very helpful.

 

I have companies registered on ebay.com, ebay.co.uk, ebay.fr, ebay.de, and ebay.ie. The problems are the same on all of these sites, so I assume they exist for all the eBay sites.


Furthermore, I am not asking a question. I am sharing a technical issue. In the 'Share eBay Technical Issues' section.

Not sure why you even responded!


 

Yes, I did read your post.

Here in the US, we don't have to deal with most of that, that's why I suggested going back to your home site for help.

Have a great day.
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@kensgiftshop thanks, Ken. can you access the page https://www.ebay.com/spr/vat ?

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@alcoforever  i can't tell if that's sarcastic.. either way, thank you for the response. now, back to the issue at hand. any insights?

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@txt.ltd wrote:

@kensgiftshop thanks, Ken. can you access the page https://www.ebay.com/spr/vat ?


 

Yes

Have a great day.
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ok so this issue exists on ebay.com

I have items listed on ebay.com (US site) where the item location is Northern Ireland. That means all the technical issues I outlined are affecting my listings on ebay.com. They will also affect listings on ebay.com where the item location is anywhere in the EU.

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@txt.ltd wrote:

ok so this issue exists on ebay.com

I have items listed on ebay.com (US site) where the item location is Northern Ireland. That means all the technical issues I outlined are affecting my listings on ebay.com. They will also affect listings on ebay.com where the item location is anywhere in the EU.


 

I don't know if it does or not.

We don't deal with VAT that much here and there's probably not many that know what it is.

Have a great day.
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yes, that may be true if your item location is in the US. but if listing on ebay.com the item location can be elsewhere too

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@txt.ltd 

 

I don’t know why you bother to list on the dot com site because none of the items I looked at are available to bidders in the USA (the dot com site). 

 

Not to flog a dead horse, but your question should be posed on your home site. People there should understand your issue because they deal with it everyday. We don’t have VAT, we don’t know anything (helpful) about VAT. 

You could wait around here and see if a user with knowledge about your issue shows up, but why not try your home site while you wait (for that what may never come)?

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@txt.ltd wrote:

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Have you looked at this graphic while logged out of the dot com site and back on your home site?

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it's exactly the same on all sites

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items listed on another account

 

ok, so i posted this here because there is a section 'share ebay technical issues' here and not on the other ebay sites, which leads me to believe technical resolutions originate here. also, across my companies i have several "home" sites so there isn't any one central one. goods located in several countries also.

 

been trying to get this fixed for almost a year

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