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a package got left in the rain by postman who is responsible?

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The seller is responsible to the buyer, her customer who paid her for secure delivery.

The USPS is responsible to the seller, their customer who paid them for secure delivery.

 

Since the purchase is Not As Described the seller must refund. She can decide whether or not to pay for return shipping, but even if the buyer is allowed to keep the damaged purchase, he is refunded.

Since the carrier (USPS) did not deliver the shipment securely, the Seller can make an insurance claim.

 

It's responsibility, not fault.

The seller is not at fault, but is responsible for the actions of the shipper she chose.

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Re: wet package

This is why I bag everything in plastic before it goes in the box. Protection from moisture damage as well as keeps the packing slip with the item in case the box gets damaged and contents fall out.

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Seller contracted with the delivery service. 

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Re: wet package


@pburn wrote:

jasmen@ebay wrote:

Yes for sure @pburn, if they were to open a not as described case it would be worked like a normal one. 


jasmen@ebay 

 

Perhaps it's just early here, but I actually have had my coffee. 

 

I'm just not sure what "it would be worked like a normal one" means. Please clarify what it is you're trying to say. 


We had this situation happen to us two times in recent memory (item being damaged from rain).

 

Handling it "normally", as they put it, doesn't seem to have any "standard" procedure. We've had 2 outcomes.

 

1) On one occasion eBay instructed us that we should accept the return and assess damages. If the item is damaged upon receiving it, we should offer a "less than full refund" in accordance with eBay policy. So in this case, it's basically holding both of us responsible somewhat. Seller gets INAD on their Service Metrics, and both take some of the loss.

 

2) On the most recent occasion, we were told that doing a "less than full refund" would be improper use in this case? Precedent from our earlier case didn't matter to the rep. We were instructed since it "Arrived damaged" to give a full refund and then open a claim with USPS with the photos provided by the customer. So buyer not held responsible at all, seller getting INAD on their record, and then potentially getting a refund back from USPS.

 

I'd never seen or heard anywhere else that "arrived damaged" returns are to be handled differently from any other NAD return case. So in the end, responsibility might just be luck of the draw depending which rep gets assigned to your case.

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the end, responsibility might just be luck of the draw depending which rep gets assigned to your case.

 

I was under the impression that most Disputes were handled robotically.

So there should have been no input from an eBay rep.

OTOH, if there was a question, in these cases about partial payments, the problem may have been poorly trained sub-contracted phone reps. The eBay employees covering social media accounts should be able to give better advice. And we get a transcript of what we were told.

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@zamo-zuan 

 

"I'd never seen or heard anywhere else that "arrived damaged" returns are to be handled differently from any other NAD return case. So in the end, responsibility might just be luck of the draw depending which rep gets assigned to your case."

 

Actually this is the same situation many sellers find themselves in all the time.  The first CSR you spoke to was wrong.  What they told you to do is against the publish policy on the subject.  The second CSR was more in line with what the policy says for when and why we can reduce a buyer's refund if you are a TRS.

 

So likely if your buyer appealed your first case, Ebay would have refunded the difference to them.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@femmefan1946 but you do realize that the new procedure for all post offices to claim insurance is to have the recipient bring the contents, package and item, to the post office with the letter for inspection correct?  So they have a policy which must be abided by in order to even receive any money back.  This is why if I receive a damaged item back for not as described, I have to hold the customer responsible.  If the customer cooperates, then they get the item and refund.  It’s the world we live in and that’s just the way it is.  I do not care what policies someone has over another, I only care about paying my bills in the end and making sure my financials are controlled by me only.  

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@mam98031 wrote:

@zamo-zuan 

 

"I'd never seen or heard anywhere else that "arrived damaged" returns are to be handled differently from any other NAD return case. So in the end, responsibility might just be luck of the draw depending which rep gets assigned to your case."

 

Actually this is the same situation many sellers find themselves in all the time.  The first CSR you spoke to was wrong.  What they told you to do is against the publish policy on the subject.  The second CSR was more in line with what the policy says for when and why we can reduce a buyer's refund if you are a TRS.

 

So likely if your buyer appealed your first case, Ebay would have refunded the difference to them.


Is there anything in the published policy regarding this? When I had checked, the only thing I found in written policy was for acceptance, and not really for how to handle upon return.

 

Looking now, I could only find that arrived damaged means they will be able to open a return even if no returns accepted. And that they are eligible for MBG, but MBG page mentioned nothing for arrived damaged. The refund deduction guidelines seem to be most dependent on if it was damaged based on the condition sent to buyer, in the section titled "If the item is returned used or damaged", not really indicating where the damage was received.

 

Is there anything else in the written policy regarding this?

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@pburn 

Maybe not.  If your read what the employee wrote it said they will handle it like any other not as described case. Meaning the seller can appeal and they will look at the facts. If the buyer already told the seller it was left in the rain the interpretation could mean it is on the buyer not the seller.

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@southern*sweet*tea 

I have bought hundreds on Ebay and have never received an item wrapped in plastic for protection. I am glad you do but from my percentage standpoint you are less than 1% of all Ebay sellers.

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@zamo-zuan wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

@zamo-zuan 

 

"I'd never seen or heard anywhere else that "arrived damaged" returns are to be handled differently from any other NAD return case. So in the end, responsibility might just be luck of the draw depending which rep gets assigned to your case."

 

Actually this is the same situation many sellers find themselves in all the time.  The first CSR you spoke to was wrong.  What they told you to do is against the publish policy on the subject.  The second CSR was more in line with what the policy says for when and why we can reduce a buyer's refund if you are a TRS.

 

So likely if your buyer appealed your first case, Ebay would have refunded the difference to them.


Is there anything in the published policy regarding this? When I had checked, the only thing I found in written policy was for acceptance, and not really for how to handle upon return.

 

Looking now, I could only find that arrived damaged means they will be able to open a return even if no returns accepted. And that they are eligible for MBG, but MBG page mentioned nothing for arrived damaged. The refund deduction guidelines seem to be most dependent on if it was damaged based on the condition sent to buyer, in the section titled "If the item is returned used or damaged", not really indicating where the damage was received.

 

Is there anything else in the written policy regarding this?


@zamo-zuan 

 

The guidelines for what you can withhold funds from the buyer for does not cover anything to do with the buyer receiving the item damaged.  In a case such as what we have been discussing, the seller would know this and should not claim that it was damaged when they got it back because they know that while true, that doesn't tell the whole story and that the buyer received the problem damaged.

 

There is nothing in the deduction guidelines that allows for any deduction from the buyer for a situation where the buyer receives the item damaged.

 

How to handle a return request as a seller | eBay


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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I ship a lot of pattern books and beading supplies.  They are all shipped in padded Ebay branded mailers.  My beads and stuff are wrapped with tissue paper or small bubble wrap depending on the time being shipped.  The pattern books are sent in a polymailer within cardboard inside the book to keep it stiff in the hopes the carrier won't bend it up.  Then the polymailer is placed inside the padded Ebay branded mailer.

 

I've done this since Ebay branded shipping stuff has been available.  I've probably had 1-2 items returned to me for damage in shipment.

 

Poly mailers and plastic bags are very inexpensive when bought in bulk.  I set aside a little all year for this, then at the beginning of the year I buy what I estimate to be a years supply.  It helps me to save money.  It works for me.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@coolections wrote:

@southern*sweet*tea 

I have bought hundreds on Ebay and have never received an item wrapped in plastic for protection. I am glad you do but from my percentage standpoint you are less than 1% of all Ebay sellers.


I recycle all types of plastic bags from other sellers and shipments from wherever my wife might buy. I also have a drawer full of random bags in different sizes that always head back out of here protecting my shipments.

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I respectfully disagree with the reply from the eBay rep - the seller is the ONLY one NOT responsible, and the reply was a generic one regarding INAD.

 

As eBay do not operate in grey scale, everything is black and white, so of course when a buyer files INAD because of a wet parcel eBay will side with them 100% of the time - this does NOT mean the seller is at fault or should be held responsible, it simply means that eBay can not think outside the box and make it so difficult for a seller to appeal that most just wear the cost.

 

INAD is Item Not As Described, now you tell me, can you find a listing that states "Item is Wet"

 

 

 

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@4money2012 wrote:

a package got left in the rain by postman who is responsible?


@4money2012   The Postman is responsible for leaving the package in the rain as you have stated.  Now, can you explain if the item inside the package left in the rain by the Postman was damaged from water seeping in?

 

Mr. L

 

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