11-30-2017 04:21 PM
That was interesting.
A word to the fraudsters. If you're going to hack into somebody's eBay account to fraudulently buy stuff, your crime will not pay if you provide an invalid shipping address for your spoils....
I sold a paperback book on November 1 to somebody I'll call "John Doe." As I received instant payment for the item via PayPal, I printed the shipping label and sent the package out the next day.
On November 15 I was notified by PayPal that someone named "Jane Bo-Peep" was disputing the payment to me as "not authorized." (Her name appeared unrelated to the buyer's name, but that's not unusual; people often use a friend or relative's account and it's perfectly okay.) I replied to PayPal with all of the documentation, the eBay order number and the name and address of the person the item was shipped to ("Joe Fraudster"), and the fact that the tracking information did not yet show the item having been delivered. PayPal resolved the case in my favor, put the money back in my account, and closed the case.
On November 29 I got a notice from the post office that I had a returned parcel and postage was due. The package I picked up, with the original shipping label still affixed, was marked "no such number."
Fully intending to open a case on the buyer, to see if I could get reimbursed for the return postage cost (my return policy is returns accepted but buyer pays postage), I hesitated when I saw that the name of the buyer was not the same name as the person I shipped to, and neither of those was the same name as the one on the PayPal account. The one that disputed the transaction as unauthorized.
The alleged buyer also has a 100% positive feedback rating on eBay, which raised my suspicions even more. People who perpetrate weird shenanigans on sellers usually have at least one bad rating... right?
So I called eBay and explained the situation. The person I talked to told me that the address of record on the buyer's account was several states away from the (invalid) address I had shipped the order to. She also hinted that they already knew the buyer's account had been compromised. So I'm glad I called before knee-jerk giving a bad report to the alleged buyer, who was most likely an innocent victim in this whole scenario.
And she told me that I should talk to PayPal and see if they would refund me the shipping charges I originally paid, because obviously the post office isn't going to refund me the postage due I paid them today.... So rather than sit on hold for an hour and a half, I asked for PayPal to call me back. We shall see how that goes.
So the score as of now: I was paid for the item. I now have the item back in my hands, but I paid twice to ship the item, once outgoing and once incoming. So at the moment, I'm a couple of dollars short on the deal. To make things completely square, PayPal would need to refund me the difference between what I was paid for the item (since I have it back in my possession and can theoretically sell it again) and the double shipping charges. I wonder if they do that sort of thing....
If anyone is intereted, I'll post a followup when I've heard back from PayPal.
So, all you would-be Joe Fraudsters out there. A bit of free advice (which is worth exactly what you paid for it). If you're going to perpetrate fraud, at least have the merch sent to a valid address, so you can enjoy your ill-gotten gains!
On a side note... something similar happened to me several years ago when my credit card was compromised. The crook neglected to change the shipping address, so I got his order in my mailbox. How do I know it was a he? Because the items were, um, male enhancement vitamins and supplements. The comic value of the experience was not quite enough to override the incredible hassles I had to go through to get the charges reversed.
11-30-2017 08:29 PM
Don't know where to start --
you're wrong on almost every point.
If you want to give advice --
at least get it right?
12-01-2017 02:36 AM
@writercranky wrote:That was interesting.
A word to the fraudsters. If you're going to hack into somebody's eBay account to fraudulently buy stuff, your crime will not pay if you provide an invalid shipping address for your spoils....
I sold a paperback book on November 1 to somebody I'll call "John Doe." As I received instant payment for the item via PayPal, I printed the shipping label and sent the package out the next day.
On November 15 I was notified by PayPal that someone named "Jane Bo-Peep" was disputing the payment to me as "not authorized." (Her name appeared unrelated to the buyer's name, but that's not unusual; people often use a friend or relative's account and it's perfectly okay.) I replied to PayPal with all of the documentation, the eBay order number and the name and address of the person the item was shipped to ("Joe Fraudster"), and the fact that the tracking information did not yet show the item having been delivered. PayPal resolved the case in my favor, put the money back in my account, and closed the case.
On November 29 I got a notice from the post office that I had a returned parcel and postage was due. The package I picked up, with the original shipping label still affixed, was marked "no such number."
Fully intending to open a case on the buyer, to see if I could get reimbursed for the return postage cost (my return policy is returns accepted but buyer pays postage),
Not enforceable per EBAY RULES which outweigh yours.
I hesitated when I saw that the name of the buyer was not the same name as the person I shipped to, and neither of those was the same name as the one on the PayPal account. The one that disputed the transaction as unauthorized.
The alleged buyer also has a 100% positive feedback rating on eBay, which raised my suspicions even more. People who perpetrate weird shenanigans on sellers usually have at least one bad rating... right?
All buyers have 100% feedback, sellers can not give a buyer neutral or negative feedback.
So I called eBay and explained the situation. The person I talked to told me that the address of record on the buyer's account was several states away from the (invalid) address I had shipped the order to. She also hinted that they already knew the buyer's account had been compromised. So I'm glad I called before knee-jerk giving a bad report to the alleged buyer, who was most likely an innocent victim in this whole scenario.
And she told me that I should talk to PayPal and see if they would refund me the shipping charges I originally paid, because obviously the post office isn't going to refund me the postage due I paid them today.... So rather than sit on hold for an hour and a half, I asked for PayPal to call me back. We shall see how that goes.
I wouldn't hold my breath on a call back and definitely not on a refund. Write it off as a business loss. This is why every seller should create a risk fund for themselves.
So the score as of now: I was paid for the item. I now have the item back in my hands, but I paid twice to ship the item, once outgoing and once incoming.
Wrong, the buyer paid for the original shipping with the s/h you set on the listing. As you have been refunded the original you are only out the return postage and since only Media Mail and Parcel Select/Retail Ground does not cover forwarding or returns this is a minor amount.
So at the moment, I'm a couple of dollars short on the deal. To make things completely square, PayPal would need to refund me the difference between what I was paid for the item (since I have it back in my possession and can theoretically sell it again) and the double shipping charges. I wonder if they do that sort of thing....
Like I said before, write it off as a business expense.
If anyone is intereted, I'll post a followup when I've heard back from PayPal.
So, all you would-be Joe Fraudsters out there. A bit of free advice (which is worth exactly what you paid for it). If you're going to perpetrate fraud, at least have the merch sent to a valid address, so you can enjoy your ill-gotten gains!
On a side note... something similar happened to me several years ago when my credit card was compromised. The crook neglected to change the shipping address, so I got his order in my mailbox. How do I know it was a he? Because the items were, um, male enhancement vitamins and supplements. The comic value of the experience was not quite enough to override the incredible hassles I had to go through to get the charges reversed.
12-01-2017 02:48 AM - edited 12-01-2017 02:50 AM
On a side note... something similar happened to me several years ago when my credit card was compromised. The crook neglected to change the shipping address, so I got his order in my mailbox. How do I know it was a he? Because the items were, um, male enhancement vitamins and supplements. The comic value of the experience was not quite enough to override the incredible hassles I had to go through to get the charges reversed.
What hassle? You go to your CC account and dispute the charge. I am doing the same thing right now.
Saw a charge that I did not make.
Contacted the CC
Disputed the charge
Locked the card
CC company overnighted me a new card with new number.
Took a whole 5 minutes to do the dispute, could unlock old card to buy gas yesterday morning from my phone. New card was in the mailbox when I got home.
As for the package (mine didn't have a package), If you did not open it simply write refused on the front and stick it out for the mail carrier. If you did open it most come with a return label inside.
12-01-2017 06:23 AM
Lots of drama for an item that you sold for $3.99 and now you are waiting for paypal to call you back to see if they will reimburse you for the dollar or two that you are out. I shudder to think what your response might have been if this had been a $10.00 sale. Who knows if they will give you the dollar or two that you seek, they might make a one-time exception, but now you have wasted your one-time exception for a couple of dollars.
12-01-2017 07:19 AM
"the name of the buyer was not the same name as the person I shipped to, and neither of those was the same name as the one on the PayPal account."
You lost me. I'm completely confused, Maybe you could step through it again using the names John, Jane, and Joe Fraudster so I can get it.
I don't understand how the address on an undeliverable package could magically change.
"The alleged buyer also has a 100% positive feedback rating on eBay, which raised my suspicions even more."
Then you are suspicious of millions of buyers on eBay, since sellers have not been able to neg buyers for 9 years.
"People who perpetrate weird shenanigans on sellers usually have at least one bad rating... right?"
Wrong. See above. Also, anyone can set up a new account with zero feedbacks.
12-01-2017 08:16 AM
It’s been a while since I’ve seen that many misconceptions in one post.
12-02-2017 01:37 AM
Also it should be noted that MANY packages go to a different name and address than the person doing the buying.
I buy and have items shipped directly to: My daughter, my Mother in Law, my Sister in Law, an Uncle, my nephew in New Zealand, several units in Iraq and Afghanistan. Granted I usually drop a note to the seller that I am buying gifts and having them shipped directly, especially those heading overseas, but it isn't an eBay requirement.