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Shipping liquid gear lubricant thru USPS.

Can you ship liquid synthetic gear lubricant thru the USPS. I was told yesterday they no longer accept any liquid over 4 ounces.

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Told by whom?

This appears to be USPS's latest treatise on liquids. It's in Section 3.4:

https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm

And here's a link to their position of "Flammable and Combustible Liquids." If it doesn't contain exactly what you're looking for, you could continue to do an internet search for more information.

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c3_021.htm

I'd reproduce the verbiage here, but it's pretty lengthy. Hopefully those help answer your question!
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@st12 wrote:

Can you ship liquid synthetic gear lubricant thru the USPS. I was told yesterday they no longer accept any liquid over 4 ounces.


Umm ... 4 ounces?  There is a breakable liquid packaging requirement, but you can ship over 4 ounces.  Here is the requirement from the DMM:

 

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3.4 Liquids

Mailers must mark the outer container of a mailpiece containing liquid to indicate the nature of the contents. Mailers must package and mail liquids under the following conditions:

  1. Use screw-on caps, soldering, clips, or similar means to close mailpieces containing liquids. Do not use only friction-top closures (push-down types)
  2. Liquids in steel pails and drums with positive closures, such as locking rings or recessed spouts under screw-cap closures, may be mailed without additional packaging.
  3. Glass and other breakable containers of liquid with a capacity of more than 4 fluid ounces must be triple-packaged according to the following requirements:
    1. Cushion the primary container with material sufficient to absorb all leakage in case of breakage.
    2. Place the primary container inside another sealed, leakproof container (secondary container), such as a can or plastic bag.
    3. Use an outer mailing container that is strong enough to protect the contents.
  4. As an alternative to 3.4c above, mailers may use containers certified by the International Safe Transit Association (ISTA) that passed ISTA‘s Test Procedure 3A. Mailers must provide their ISTA 3A Package-Product Certification Notice at the time of mailing as verification that the mailpieces they are submitting passed the required performance test.
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I was told by the lady at the counter of our local post office & she confirmed with the Postmaster.

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 The only time I had to send a liquid it was in a small factory sealed metal can. (BRASSO brass cleaner) I presented the OPENED shipping box to a SENIOR postal clerk and had him pass judgment. He approved it and then marked the outside of the box that it had been inspected and approved. It got there safely. If he had said no that would have been the end of it.

 

SENIOR: fortunately I have done business with this post office long enough to know which ones know what they are talking about and which ones are new hires (I don't bother asking them anything).

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I saw the email they received from main post office. NO liquids over 4 ounces at all until mid June. They had a mercury spill somewhere. Confirmed by PostMaster.

Does UPS allow liquids???

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@st12 wrote:

I saw the email they received from main post office. NO liquids over 4 ounces at all until mid June. They had a mercury spill somewhere. Confirmed by PostMaster.

Does UPS allow liquids???


I have heard nothing about this. And I had plenty of sloshing packages this past week. My guess is that someone miss read something. This sounds like a air requirement, try shipping it ground.

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Was about to poo-poo all this and say local POs or regional USPS offices can't just make things up, and it ain't a rule unless it's published in the Federal Register...

 

Decided to check: https://pe.usps.com/FederalRegisterNotice/Index

 

Published in the Federal Register March 18, 2019.

New Mailing Standards for Mailpieces Containing Liquids

AGENCY:  Postal Service™.
ACTION:  Final rule.
SUMMARY:  The Postal Service is revising Mailing Standards of the United States Postal
Service, Domestic Mail Manual (DMM®), section 601.3.4 to clarify and supplement
the mailing standards for mailpieces containing liquids. DATES: Effective Date: March 28, 2019. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT:Mary Collins at (202) 268-5551 or Wm. Kevin Gunther at (202) 268-7208 SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:
Background The Postal Service published a notice of proposed rulemaking on July 9, 2018, (83 FR 31712-31713)
requesting public feedback on potential changes to DMM 601.3.4. The original proposed rule provided
for a 30-day comment period. At the request of the mailing industry, the comment period was
subsequently extended to September 30, 2018. During the comment period, the Postal Service received
twenty formal comments, and engaged in a number of discussions with mailers and with various members
of the mailing and hazardous materials transportation industries.

 

 

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2019-03-18/html/2019-04894.htm

 

600 Basic Standards for All Mailing Services

601 Mailability
* * * * *
3.0 Packaging
* * * * *
3.4 Liquids
    [Revise 3.4 as follows:]
    Mailers must mark the outer container of a mailpiece containing 
liquid to indicate the nature of the contents (i.e., liquid), and 
include orientation arrows in accordance with Publication 52, section 
226. Mailers must package and mail liquids under the following 
conditions:
    a. Use screw-on caps with a minimum of one and one-half turns, 
soldering, clips, or similar means to close primary containers 
containing liquids. Do not use containers with friction-top closures 
(push-down tops) except as provided in 3.4c. The use of locking rings 
or similar devices are encouraged when mailing containers with 
friction-top closures (push-down tops).
    b. Liquids in steel pails and drums with positive closures, such as 
locking rings or recessed spouts under screw-cap closures, may be 
mailed without additional packaging.
    c. Breakable containers including, but not limited to, those made 
of glass, plastic, porcelain, and earthenware, and metal containers 
with pull-tabs (pop-tops) or friction-top closures, having a capacity 
of more than 4 fluid ounces must be triple-packaged according to the 
following requirements:
    1. Cushion the primary container(s) with absorbent material capable 
of absorbing all of the liquid in the container(s) in case of breakage;
    2. Place the primary container inside another sealed, leakproof 
container (secondary container), such as a watertight can or plastic 
bag; and
    3. Use a strong and securely sealed outer mailing container durable 
enough to protect the contents and withstand normal processing in 
Postal Service networks.
    d. As an alternative to 3.4c above, mailers may use containers 
certified under the International Safe Transit Association (ISTA) Test 
Procedure 3A. Mailers must, upon request, provide written test results 
verifying that sample mailpieces passed each test outlined in the 
standard and that no liquids were released.
* * * * *
    We will publish an appropriate amendment to 39 CFR part 111 to 
reflect these changes.

 

 

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c2_012.htm

USPS_Pub52_Sec226_Pkg_Orientation_Markings_June2018.gif

 

 

 

I don't see any changes except the locking ring addition and packaging orientation arrow requirement.

 

My read on it is that basically it must have secure closure, be surrounded with sufficient absorbent material to soak up entire contents (yeah right), be enclosed in secondary container (Ziploc?), pkg in strong enough outer box, and have orientation arrows on 2 opposite sides of outer pkg.

 

Orientation arrows: draw with sharpie marker, buy labels, copy/save image below, edit/scale/print on label stock or paper)

 

The friction closure thing would apply to squirt type gear oil (or anything similar) bottles - the type where you pop the top open like a dish washing detergent bottle, which would pop open if pressurized, dropped etc.

 

One way might be wrapping non-stretchy tape (or a band of some sort) tightly over the top, around, and under the bottle a few times to keep the top down - would probably suffice to prevent accidental opening.

(wrap a paper band around first to keep tape from sticking to bottle if needed. Could also band around with tape/paper to keep main band in place better. Or just use paper in spots to keep tape wrap(s) from sticking to label parts of bottle.) More elegant retainers using wire and other parts laying about could also be devised, or commercial retainer parts are probably available.

 

 

Friction_Top_Bottle_sealing__composite.jpg    USPS_Package_Orientation_Arrows_280x360.gif

 

 

TLDNR:

Updated rules, but pretty much change nothing. There is no prohibition of liquid shipments of more than 4oz, just the need to add orientation arrows to the pkg.

 

(that's my story and I'm sticking to it. If I made an error, please correct me)

 

 

 

 

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So I messaged the US Postal Service on Facebook. They confirmed to me. NO LIQUIDS over 4 ounces. Who is right? I dont see it published anywhere.

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Strange. I wonder if it’s a temporary restriction? 

 

Just curious, you said they showed you the email? Did it specifically mention the mercury spill or did they just talk about the spill? 

I’ve heard a lot of internal info about the spill, but nothing about new restrictions because of the spill. 

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The only announcements at my office in the last couple weeks was about going out of route. Routes are being updated using the GPS scanners as breadcrumbs. Collectively we have been going out of route to drop larger packages if we can to ease access to smaller ones and the rest of the mail. Example I have a couple that gets a lot of large and very heavy Prime Pantry boxes, on the route they are about a hour and a half in. But I go within 3/4 mile of their house the 8th and 9th mailbox on my route and before a large hill with a terrible road that jolts and rocks my Jeep all over the place. Ditching around 200# off my rear shocks is a huge benefit. Normally I'd just do it but for now I have to clear it with the Postmaster first. 

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>>So I messaged the US Postal Service on Facebook. They confirmed to me. NO LIQUIDS over 4 ounces.
>>Who is right? I dont see it published anywhere.

I honestly don't know, but my understanding is that is it isn't in the DMM, or the Federal Register, or the Postal Bulletins it isn't a thing. That "liquids over 4oz" prohibition directly contradicts the DMM.

Maybe USPS Facebook is as poorly informed as some Postmasters, and USPS CS email and phone support I've dealt with.

I suspect one of three things:
(1) there is some sort of emergency provision for USPS to be able to temporarily step outside of the Congress/Federal Register/DMM framework (that nobody has heard of and also isn't documented that I can find), or
(2) somebody at USPS misinterpreted something again and issued an email with misinformation.
(3) my read on the DMM and changes is completely wrong (leaning toward that being unlikely)

Unfortunately, there is really nowhere to turn for answers. My experiences with trying to get technical answers out of USPS have soured me to even bothering any more (you can't talk to / email anyone but a CS drone unless a commercial shipper with a USPS account manager), my local Postmaster is less than useful, eBay Nate @ship_like_a_pro doesn't seem to be around anymore. Maybe @lja440 can prod her Postmaster to get some clarification, or to kick a request for more answers upstream.

Or somebody with a Stamps.com, Endicia, etc account can ask them (they seem to be on top of USPS and other carrier policy)

Something just occurred to me:
maybe this is something local to you and is some sort of emergency* order?

Like your local sort/dist center had a spill, needs to update protocols, or they think it was deliberate, think they may have a local "terrorist" engaging in hijinks, and the only way to temporarily get a handle on it is to prohibit liquids from the start?

*again, no idea how that works although there must be some provision for overriding the DMM in emergencies - just can't find and/or not privy to that documentation.
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humm..."gear lubricant"  Is this a hazmat shipment that you're talking about?

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Gear lubricant flashpoint at 375-580 F puts it far outside the Hazard Class 3 range as flammable or combustible - thus not HazMat, just liquid:

Note: A liquid with a flashpoint above 200° F (93° C) is not
regulated as a hazardous material and may be mailed subject to
the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1-7, provided it
possesses no characteristics of another hazard class.

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/welcome.htm
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@berserkerplanet wrote:
Gear lubricant flashpoint at 375-580 F puts it far outside the Hazard Class 3 range as flammable or combustible - thus not HazMat, just liquid:

Note: A liquid with a flashpoint above 200° F (93° C) is not
regulated as a hazardous material and may be mailed subject to
the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1-7, provided it
possesses no characteristics of another hazard class.

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/welcome.htm

Interesting!  I'm not familiar with it.  However, I noticed that someone mentioned "Brasso" which I thought was somewhat caustic.

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