07-31-2018 03:32 AM
When Signature Required is used on a delivery to a residential location where no one is home during the day the package will not be delivered. The seller is paying an extra $4.50 to ensure that the package is not delivered. Just beacuse an extra option is offered does not mean it will do any good. I have received hundreds of packages over many years except for when a signature is required.
On the other hand, Delivery Confirmation is all that is needed to cover the seller and to show that the item was shipped and delivered.
I needed to say that and hope you all understand. Thanks.
08-04-2018 06:13 PM - edited 08-04-2018 06:16 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@missjen831 wrote:I don’t sell here so.....I don’t need non-existent extra protection from eBay.
This is what you said.
Exactly. I never said I'm not a seller. I said I don't sell HERE 😉
I also never said I've never sold here 😉
There is a difference.
08-04-2018 06:16 PM
@missjen831 wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@missjen831 wrote:I don’t sell here so.....I don’t need non-existent extra protection from eBay.
This is what you said.
Exactly. I Never said I'm not a seller. I said I don't sell HERE 😉
There is a difference.
This is also what you said...@missjen831 wrote:
This is purely about buying and selling on eBay, not anywhere else. This board is for eBay-related discussions so everywhere is off topic and a moot point.
08-04-2018 06:27 PM
@smabrouk wrote:
@argy_eyes wrote:This issue would go away completely if eBay accepted Delivery Confirmation for Seller Protection.
Delivery Confirmation is not protection of any kind, not for sellers and definitely not for buyers. Delivery confirmation does not guarantee that the item was deivered to the buyer. So, how could you consider that to be “seller protection”?
As a buyer, I am not willing to acept the rist of the items for which I paid, especially expensive items, not being delivered to me. I have gladly paid for Signature Confirmation and I greatly appreciate sellers who are willing to use or require the use of Signature Confirmation. If I have to wait in line and sign for these items in order to receive them then I am fine with that.
As far as ebay and paypal are concerned, delivery confirmation is proof of delivery. And thats all the seller needs in order to qualify for seller protection on transactions under $750. I think that other responder must be confused as to how seller protection and delivery confirmation work? Delivery confirmation isn't proof the actual buyer has the item in their possession but it is sufficient for ebay and paypal seller protection
08-04-2018 06:37 PM - edited 08-04-2018 06:41 PM
@missjen831 wrote:
@smabrouk wrote:
@argy_eyes wrote:This issue would go away completely if eBay accepted Delivery Confirmation for Seller Protection.
Delivery Confirmation is not protection of any kind, not for sellers and definitely not for buyers. Delivery confirmation does not guarantee that the item was deivered to the buyer. So, how could you consider that to be “seller protection”?
As a buyer, I am not willing to acept the rist of the items for which I paid, especially expensive items, not being delivered to me. I have gladly paid for Signature Confirmation and I greatly appreciate sellers who are willing to use or require the use of Signature Confirmation. If I have to wait in line and sign for these items in order to receive them then I am fine with that.
As far as ebay and paypal are concerned, delivery confirmation is proof of delivery. And thats all the seller needs in order to qualify for seller protection on transactions under $750. I think that other responder must be confused as to how seller protection and delivery confirmation work? Delivery confirmation isn't proof the actual buyer has the item in their possession but it is sufficient for ebay and paypal seller protection
I will try this once again...there is more than ebay and PayPal protections involved in protection for some sellers. This is something you merely do not understand. And that is OK. You are not a seller as you already stated and do not need extra protection in your sales wor with your items. It isn't confusing. It is just merely something "buyers" do not need to know about and it is not something that isn't needed by all sellers...and signature confirmation on any item is not discouraged by ebay or PayPal and they give sellers the option of purchaing it on every transactions. It is up to the seller if they choose to use it or if they need to use it.
08-04-2018 06:48 PM - edited 08-04-2018 06:52 PM
As much as I like Signature Confirmation and appreciate the sellers who use Signature Confirmaiton, Signature Confirmation is not perfect: the flaw is the postal workers involved in delivery. To explain this, I will share a negative experience I had a few years ago with Signature Confirmation.
I purchased an expensive pen set on eBay and the seller sent the pen set using USPS Priority Mail insured with Signature Confirmation. I tracked the delivery of the pen set to my Post Office and, of course, planned to pick up the pen set on my way home at the end of the day. A few hours after my having noted the arrival of the pen set at the Post Office, I received a call from someone at my place of work asking if I was the person who had a particular Post Office Box number at my Post Office. Except that the person had identified himself as the man in charge of the mail room at my place of work and that I was familiar with his name, I would not have answered his inquiry. He stated that he had my pen set. This surprised me greatly as my pen set was addressed to my Post Office Box, not my place of work.
As we spoke, it came out that he had opened my package and “discovered” the pen set; he gave no justification for opening a package which was definitely not addressed to him. Not wanting to antagonize the person who had my pen set but wanting to know why/how it was that he had my pen set, I casually asked him how he had obtained my pen set when it was not addressed to my place of work. He stated that my package had been included with the mail when he picked it up at the Post Office (my place of work has mail held at the same Post Office) and he stated that he had signed for it; I still wonder why he signed for a package which was not addressed to our place of work when signing for the package made him responsible for it.
The good thing was that the seller had included a packing slip generated using the eBay system which included my name and address as well as the amount that I had paid for the pen set. This man’s having signed as the recipient of the package made him responsible for this expensive pen set — his name and signature were on the record as the person who took possession of the pen set from the Post Office. The amount on the packing slip informed him that he would be in great trouble with the Law if he failed to give the pen set to its rightful owner as he had signed for the pen set at the Post Office. Whether it was his guilt at having opened the package or his fear of being charged wtih stealing the pen set, he brought the pen set to me in my building (he works in a different building across campus), with the packing slip but minus the original shipping package. I believe that it was the amount on the packing slip as well as his having signed for the package which caused the guilt or fear that made him give the pen set to me.
What bothers me to this day is that he had been allowed to sign for my package! He signed his name — he did not attempt to sign my name. He should not have been given my package or allowed to sign for my package.
As you might imagine, I stopped at the Post Office on my way home to “inquire” about my package being diverted to the work mail and this man’s being allowed to sign for my package. Excuses were made and a lame apology was given. After this happened a second time, I changed my Post Office Box to another branch; although the new branch is the main Post Office in my city, they are truly no better and I continue to experience delivery problems.
When Signature Confirmation is properly executed, it is great. However, Signature Confirmation does not eliminate all delivery issues. In comparison with Delivery Confirmation, I would perfer and am always willing to pay for Signature Confirmation.
Delivery Confirmation would not have made this man to give me my pen set. However, his having signed for the pen set as part of Signature Confirmation, made his responsible for it and trackable as the recipient.
08-04-2018 06:58 PM - edited 08-04-2018 07:00 PM
@smabrouk wrote:As much as I like Signature Confirmation and appreciate the sellers who use Signature Confirmaiton, Signature Confirmation is not perfect: the flaw is the postal workers involved in delivery. To explain this, I will share a negative experience I had a few years ago with Signature Confirmation.
I purchased an expensive pen set on eBay and the seller sent the pen set using USPS Priority Mail insured with Signature Confirmation. I tracked the delivery of the pen set to my Post Office and, of course, planned to pick up the pen set on my way home at the end of the day. A few hours after my having noted the arrival of the pen set at the Post Office, I received a call from someone at my place of work asking if I was the person who had a particular Post Office Box number at my Post Office. Except that the person had identified himself as the man in charge of the mail room at my place of work and that I was familiar with his name, I would not have answered his inquiry. He stated that he had my pen set. This surprised me greatly as my pen set was addressed to my Post Office Box, not my place of work.
As we spoke, it came out that he had opened my package and “discovered” the pen set; he gave no justification for opening a package which was definitely not addressed to him. Not wanting to antagonize the person who had my pen set but wanting to know why/how it was that he had my pen set, I casually asked him how he had obtained my pen set when it was not addressed to my place of work. He stated that my package had been included with the mail when he picked it up at the Post Office (my place of work has mail held at the same Post Office) and he stated that he had signed for it; I still wonder why he signed for a package which was not addressed to our place of work when signing for the package made him responsible for it.
The good thing was that the seller had included a packing slip generated using the eBay system which included my name and address as well as the amount that I had paid for the pen set. This man’s having signed as the recipient of the package made him responsible for this expensive pen set — his name and signature were on the record as the person who took possession of the pen set from the Post Office. The amount on the packing slip informed him that he would be in great trouble with the Law if he failed to give the pen set to its rightful owner as he had signed for the pen set at the Post Office. Whether it was his guilt at having opened the package or his fear of being charged wtih stealing the pen set, he brought the pen set to me in my building (he works in a different building across campus), with the packing slip but minus the original shipping package. I believe that it was the amount on the packing slip as well as his having signed for the package which caused the guilt or fear that made him give the pen set to me.
What bothers me to this day is that he had been allowed to sign for my package! He signed his name — he did not attempt to sign my name. He should not have been given my package or allowed to sign for my package.
As you might imagine, I stopped at the Post Office on my way home to “inquire” about my package being diverted to the work mail and this man’s being allowed to sign for my package. Excuses were made and a lame apology was given. After this happened a second time, I changed my Post Office Box to another branch; although the new branch is the main Post Office in my city, they are truly no better and I continue to experience delivery problems.
When Signature Confirmation is properly executed, it is great. However, Signature Confirmation does not eliminate all delivery issues. In comparison with Delivery Confirmation, I would perfer and am always willing to pay for Signature Confirmation.
Delivery Confirmation would not have made this man to give me my pen set. However, his having signed for the pen set as part of Signature Confirmation, made his responsible for it and trackable as the recipient.
This at least in part sounds like the difference between "Direct Signature Confirmation" and 'Indirect Signature Confirmation"
With an indirect signature confirmation anyone can sign
With direct signature confirmation only the recipient can sign
So it depends on which was purchased or designated at the time of purchase.
There is also another option of adult only signature confirmation.
Hope that explains what and why and how that may have happened that way.
08-04-2018 07:00 PM - edited 08-04-2018 07:04 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@missjen831 wrote:
@smabrouk wrote:
@argy_eyes wrote:This issue would go away completely if eBay accepted Delivery Confirmation for Seller Protection.
Delivery Confirmation is not protection of any kind, not for sellers and definitely not for buyers. Delivery confirmation does not guarantee that the item was deivered to the buyer. So, how could you consider that to be “seller protection”?
As a buyer, I am not willing to acept the rist of the items for which I paid, especially expensive items, not being delivered to me. I have gladly paid for Signature Confirmation and I greatly appreciate sellers who are willing to use or require the use of Signature Confirmation. If I have to wait in line and sign for these items in order to receive them then I am fine with that.
As far as ebay and paypal are concerned, delivery confirmation is proof of delivery. And thats all the seller needs in order to qualify for seller protection on transactions under $750. I think that other responder must be confused as to how seller protection and delivery confirmation work? Delivery confirmation isn't proof the actual buyer has the item in their possession but it is sufficient for ebay and paypal seller protection
I will try this once again...there is more than ebay and PayPal protections involved in protection for some sellers. This is something you merely do not understand. And that is OK. You are not a seller as you already stated and do not need extra protection in your sales wor with your items. It isn't confusing. It is just merely something "buyers" do not need to know about and it is not something that isn't needed by all sellers...and signature confirmation on any item is not discouraged by ebay or PayPal and they give sellers the option of purchaing it on every transactions. It is up to the seller if they choose to use it or if they need to use it.
I am a seller so you are posting incorrect information again.
This is about eBay and PayPal and seller protection. Nothing else. You stated earlier that eBay and PayPal give you seller protection when you purchase signature confirmation on transactions BELOW $750. And that is incorrect. You don’t get any extra protection from eBay or PayPal on that sale. Again we are talking about eBay and PayPal only. If you still think this is wrong, then where in the seller protection policies does it describe how signature confirmation protects you on transactions under $750? Prove me wrong. Provide a link. You keep saying there is protection. So what is it? How does EBay protect you any differently only a $50 transaction if you have SC, as opposed to not having it?
08-04-2018 07:01 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@smabrouk wrote:As much as I like Signature Confirmation and appreciate the sellers who use Signature Confirmaiton, Signature Confirmation is not perfect: the flaw is the postal workers involved in delivery. To explain this, I will share a negative experience I had a few years ago with Signature Confirmation.
I purchased an expensive pen set on eBay and the seller sent the pen set using USPS Priority Mail insured with Signature Confirmation. I tracked the delivery of the pen set to my Post Office and, of course, planned to pick up the pen set on my way home at the end of the day. A few hours after my having noted the arrival of the pen set at the Post Office, I received a call from someone at my place of work asking if I was the person who had a particular Post Office Box number at my Post Office. Except that the person had identified himself as the man in charge of the mail room at my place of work and that I was familiar with his name, I would not have answered his inquiry. He stated that he had my pen set. This surprised me greatly as my pen set was addressed to my Post Office Box, not my place of work.
As we spoke, it came out that he had opened my package and “discovered” the pen set; he gave no justification for opening a package which was definitely not addressed to him. Not wanting to antagonize the person who had my pen set but wanting to know why/how it was that he had my pen set, I casually asked him how he had obtained my pen set when it was not addressed to my place of work. He stated that my package had been included with the mail when he picked it up at the Post Office (my place of work has mail held at the same Post Office) and he stated that he had signed for it; I still wonder why he signed for a package which was not addressed to our place of work when signing for the package made him responsible for it.
The good thing was that the seller had included a packing slip generated using the eBay system which included my name and address as well as the amount that I had paid for the pen set. This man’s having signed as the recipient of the package made him responsible for this expensive pen set — his name and signature were on the record as the person who took possession of the pen set from the Post Office. The amount on the packing slip informed him that he would be in great trouble with the Law if he failed to give the pen set to its rightful owner as he had signed for the pen set at the Post Office. Whether it was his guilt at having opened the package or his fear of being charged wtih stealing the pen set, he brought the pen set to me in my building (he works in a different building across campus), with the packing slip but minus the original shipping package. I believe that it was the amount on the packing slip as well as his having signed for the package which caused the guilt or fear that made him give the pen set to me.
What bothers me to this day is that he had been allowed to sign for my package! He signed his name — he did not attempt to sign my name. He should not have been given my package or allowed to sign for my package.
As you might imagine, I stopped at the Post Office on my way home to “inquire” about my package being diverted to the work mail and this man’s being allowed to sign for my package. Excuses were made and a lame apology was given. After this happened a second time, I changed my Post Office Box to another branch; although the new branch is the main Post Office in my city, they are truly no better and I continue to experience delivery problems.
When Signature Confirmation is properly executed, it is great. However, Signature Confirmation does not eliminate all delivery issues. In comparison with Delivery Confirmation, I would perfer and am always willing to pay for Signature Confirmation.
Delivery Confirmation would not have made this man to give me my pen set. However, his having signed for the pen set as part of Signature Confirmation, made his responsible for it and trackable as the recipient.
This at least in part sounds like the difference between "Direct Signature Confirmation" and 'Indirect Signature Confirmation"
With an indirect signature confirmation anyone can sign
With direct signature confirmation only the recipient can sign
So it depends on which was purchased or designated at the time of purchase.
Or it could have been a postal employee who didn’t follow the rules. Didn’t check ID. I’ve signed for packages at the PO without being asked for ID. Just handed them the notice, signed away and was handed the package. mail carriers sometimes do the recipient a favor and sign for their packages too.
08-04-2018 07:10 PM
I probably shouldn't be jumping into this heated discussion however I would like to say that the UPS guy will not check your ID when you sign. You can just scribble anything you want including Elvis Presley's name and he will accept it. This is also true for assigning when using credit cards in my experience.
08-04-2018 07:11 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@smabrouk wrote:
...
This at least in part sounds like the difference between "Direct Signature Confirmation" and 'Indirect Signature Confirmation"
With an indirect signature confirmation anyone can sign
With direct signature confirmation only the recipient can sign
So it depends on which was purchased or designated at the time of purchase.
There is also another option of adult only signature confirmation.
Hope that explains what and why and how that may have happened that way.
I must admit that I have never heard of “Indirect Signature Confirmation”. In the case of my pen set, “Direct Signature Confirmation” would have saved me a lot of irritation.
The good thing for me is that this man signed for the pen set; I had printed the delivery information with signature and taken that with me to the Post Office when I “inquired” about the delivery of my package to my place of work and someone else being allowed to sign for it. The person with whom I had spoken at the Post Office had a oh-did-we-do-that attitude-so-sorry attitude.
I like to believe that Signature Confirmation “inspired” this man to give me my pen set.
08-04-2018 07:19 PM - edited 08-04-2018 07:19 PM
@doncole98 wrote:I probably shouldn't be jumping into this heated discussion however I would like to say that the UPS guy will not check your ID when you sign. You can just scribble anything you want including Elvis Presley's name and he will accept it. This is also true for assigning when using credit cards in my experience.
This is true. I have had several signature-required packages (including computers) delivered by UPS and none of the UPS drivers have ever asked for my ID. When I have been in UPS and FedEx pick-up locations, the folks manning the desk have barely glanced at my ID; I offered my ID since the delivery notice stated that I must provide it.
08-04-2018 07:26 PM
@doncole98 wrote:I probably shouldn't be jumping into this heated discussion however I would like to say that the UPS guy will not check your ID when you sign. You can just scribble anything you want including Elvis Presley's name and he will accept it. This is also true for assigning when using credit cards in my experience.
FedEx too. I’ve signed Mickey Mouse before haha. No questions asked by the driver.
08-04-2018 07:27 PM
We agree. Therefore signature confirmation is useless!
08-04-2018 07:34 PM
FedEx too. I’ve signed Mickey Mouse before haha. No questions as I ked by the driver.
Right. They don't care.
08-04-2018 07:38 PM - edited 08-04-2018 07:40 PM
Considering that using a fake / false name to sign postal documents is a federal crime which "most people" will not do or even consider, it is far from useless.
And again it depends on how the signature confirmation was designated to be carried out who is required to sign or if anyone can sign.