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Dealing With Shady Character

Recently, a buyer has purchased two products from my store and opened a return for each one *immediately* upon delivery. He has claimed that the products are defective/damaged although these are products purchased from authorized dealers and they would never provide faulty goods, especially straight out of the box.

As bad as that is, it gets worse. Much worse.

-I have asked for photos to substatiate the claim, but he claims he cannot do so because his poor broken phone does not work. There is no explanation given why he cannot use a different/someone else's phone.

-Next, I offer a replacement, because of course if this was sincere, the customer would be disappointed but would still want the item (one of them cost almost $300). He declines.
-He then says he no longer needs it, although the order was placed literally two days before the return was opened up. He insists that the very same product was purchased on Craigslist instead.

-Sure. So I then offer to beat the price he paid for it there, but he will not take up the offer, as he'd rather pay a higher price and not have the security of Paypal and Ebay to cover any future problems the product might have.
-Next, I reluctantly offer a chance to have the package picked up from the guy's house.  He is adamant that this not occur for several unconvincing reasons...one of them being he is apparently never home, because he works 7 days a week, 12 hours a day.
-Okay, so I offer a chance to schedule the pick up at a time and place of his choosing, yet he claims he is only available after 10PM because of work. If that were the case, then he could not drop off the box with UPS if I gave the label he wants, because they the UPS store is not open after 10PM...and the box is much too large for a 24 hour dropbox.
-At this point, I also offer an opportunity to have the carrier pick up the box from his place of work, but magically they do not allow the carrier to service the building because it is gated.  So apparently his workplace never receives mail in other words.

-I then ask for the workplace's phone number and address so I can contact them to see if any arrangement can be made, but he refuses to provide this basic information.


Why would somebody be so unwilling to cooperate, if they are seriously trying to return an expensive item? Nothing but evasion and excuses for a simple task that takes one minute. I offer any time that is good from 8AM to 8PM any day for the next three weeks, but he insists that only me uploading a label will suffice. There is way too much fraud going on though, so I have pick ups take place for items of certain value. What should be done at this point?

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I bring smaller packages here to the college and put them in with the outgoing mail or I drop them at the PO on the way to or from work.

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@kensgiftshop wrote:

@discountdominion wrote:

@kensgiftshop wrote:

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 Three purchases in a week, all resulting in immediate return requests? Impossible unless he is the unluckiest guy in the world.

Only someone who is lying would respond in the manner in which he has, including pretending to work all day, seven days a week


 

like I mentioned earlier, he probably seen the boxes from the river and decided to return the items.

I don't buy items from there and if I got packages from them, I would return them also.

I worked at a place and we were working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, and there would be no way that I would sit there all day waiting for UPS to come pick up a package.

 

 


Why lie about it then? I have a free return policy. He could have stated it was purchased by mistake or he no longer needed it, etc...There is dishonesty being expressed in that case right out of the gate. Sort of sullies his whole case.

As for him working 84 hours a week, which is extremely uncommon (including no days off all month)....

 Also, what is the problem with UPS showing up to pick up the package at your workplace?

Buyers know they have a better chance of getting their money back if they file INAD.

 

It's not uncommon at all for us older guys to work 80+ hours a week. One place I worked, we worked 12+ hour shifts 7 days a week. We did it for 4 months straight.

 

I've never worked at a place where they allow their employees to bring packages so they can be picked up by carriers.

 

 

 

 


All I get out of your response is that you are gullible enough to believe a liar who is not even good at lying. Congrats I guess. Suggesting that he works so much that he is NEVER home between 8AM-8PM every day of the week for the entire month, even though he apparently lives on the internet (while "working at a warehouse"), is beyond far-fetched.

Just looked at a poll with well over 1000 votes, and a measly 2% stated they worked over 70 hours/week (the max available in the poll mind you), which is pushing double overtime. Not common at all, but it just so happens to be true with this individual when it is consequential to the matter at hand.

As for having the mail carrier visit your place of employment...not a big deal. I often times get an address from the customer for a place of business with c/o included on the label.

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My fiancé works 10 hour days, can't ship from work although he has printed labels for shipping while there he can't have it picked up there, and he can email me all day while at work.  I don't find your buyer being able to email you all day surprising.    Everyone I work with is texting emailing people all day even though they aren't supposed to have cell phones out.  

“Birth certificates show that you were born. Death certificates show that you died. Photographs show that you have lived.” -Unknown
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I agree the buyer is being troublesome. If he failed to provide photographs, which most do with a legitimate complaint, coupled with all his excuses I would see red flags waving everywhere as well. He most likely doesn't want it picked up as he is probably assuming the carrier will inspect the item ensuring it's correct before leaving with it.

You will however have to issue the label otherwise you're going to receive a defect and may even lose your merchandise if Ebay has to step in. I would just comment within the case that it will be held and opened at the PO in company with the PO Master and maybe you can bluff him a little, since we all know you can't as it's going back to a warehouse. If he returns something other than what you sent I would file a mail fraud complaint against him and since the dollar amount is somewhat high call his local police station. If he really is in that small of a town, and the cops are bored as most small town cops usually are, they may just go pay him a visit. At best you have the mail fraud case number and the police report number to appeal EBay's decision. That is in the event that he is a liar and is trying to steal from you.

As for the work schedule, some people do work lots of hours. I wouldn't argue with the buyer anymore but I certainly wouldn't roll over and get ripped off like Ebay expects you to do as a "cost of doing business". Hopefully the buyer is just behaving unusual, but I sincerely doubt it.
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Just issue the stinking label before the buyer escalates, and you're either forced to accept it and get a defect, or eBay let's the buyer keep it, refunds, and you get a defect.
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@gre483 wrote:
Just issue the stinking label before the buyer escalates, and you're either forced to accept it and get a defect, or eBay let's the buyer keep it, refunds, and you get a defect.

Exactly this! Everybody’s been trying to tell him this but he’s digging in his heels. Arguing with a buyer never ends well and just might result in a self fulling prophecy. 

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A buyer's creativity and problem solving in returning a package is directly proportional to how badly they want their refund.  If he wants the bucks, HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND FIND A WAY!

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@rixstuff wrote:

A buyer's creativity and problem solving in returning a package is directly proportional to how badly they want their refund.  If he wants the bucks, HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND FIND A WAY!


Buyer should not have to get creative return a package!

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@kille787 wrote:

@rixstuff wrote:

A buyer's creativity and problem solving in returning a package is directly proportional to how badly they want their refund.  If he wants the bucks, HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND FIND A WAY!


Buyer should not have to get creative return a package!


If it is weighed against getting the refund AND keeping it, YES THEY DO.  And dont feed the partial refund dragon either.  All or nothing, return or keep, refund or not.  Offer the label and if the buyer doesnt take advantage of it in a timely manner that is HIS problem.

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@rixstuff wrote:

@kille787 wrote:

@rixstuff wrote:

A buyer's creativity and problem solving in returning a package is directly proportional to how badly they want their refund.  If he wants the bucks, HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND FIND A WAY!


Buyer should not have to get creative return a package!


If it is weighed against getting the refund AND keeping it, YES THEY DO.  And dont feed the partial refund dragon either.  All or nothing, return or keep, refund or not.  Offer the label and if the buyer doesnt take advantage of it in a timely manner that is HIS problem.


The buyer is asking for the seller to just supply the label.   The seller is the one trying to find creative ways to get the package back.   The buyer shouldn't have to figure out how to work the sellers creative ideAs on returning and the buyer should just be supplied the label so they can return it the way they want to 

“Birth certificates show that you were born. Death certificates show that you died. Photographs show that you have lived.” -Unknown
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@myangelandmyprincess wrote:

@rixstuff wrote:

@kille787 wrote:

@rixstuff wrote:

A buyer's creativity and problem solving in returning a package is directly proportional to how badly they want their refund.  If he wants the bucks, HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND FIND A WAY!


Buyer should not have to get creative return a package!


If it is weighed against getting the refund AND keeping it, YES THEY DO.  And dont feed the partial refund dragon either.  All or nothing, return or keep, refund or not.  Offer the label and if the buyer doesnt take advantage of it in a timely manner that is HIS problem.


The buyer is asking for the seller to just supply the label.   The seller is the one trying to find creative ways to get the package back.   The buyer shouldn't have to figure out how to work the sellers creative ideAs on returning and the buyer should just be supplied the label so they can return it the way they want to 


Oh yeah I get it but as a seller I would be throwing out the label to make ABSOLUTELY SURE the buyer had to return the item before getting the refund.  I would prefer never to have any returns (and even have a no return policy) but they are gonna happen. It is a fact of business.  BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE TO RETURN THE ITEM TO GET THE MONEY.  At the end of the day you get one or the other money or item not both not neither.

 

I was on the "craft and vintage" site big time for a long time til they also started dashing off refunds without returning the item - maybe the color wasnt what they expected, they bought the gold when they really wanted silver, ridiculous stuff.  Not there as much these days and I DEFNITELY quit Amazon for that - and their reasons for return were SERIOUSLY STUPID like "this movie was so boring" (like I didnt MAKE the movie, I just sold it so why do I have to refund?)

 

So dash off the label and hope for the best but DONT pitch a fit or stand on principle until Ebay gets involved and decides FOR YOU.

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Insist that you want the item returned to you before you can issue a return. Accept no compromises or excuses.

 

Cough up the funds to pay for a return shipping label.

 

If the buyer prints the label and ships them item back to you, then march into your post office with the unopened package in tow and a video camcorder. Video tape yourself - in the presence of a licensed postal worker - opening the return package. If there is anything in that package other than the phone in question, then haul your buyer to court for mail fraud.

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