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Well, once again EBAY does NOTHING to back up the seller! As a twenty-year seller (TOP-RATED PLUS) who has always been blessed with 100% feedback (I go the extra mile to keep it, believe me!), I received my first negative feedback today, which at my request EBAY did not remove, and here is my story...

I ship the item, a large book, on time and USPS tracking confirms that it was delivered today,  11/23 (Saturday)  at 3:42 p.m. IN THE MAILBOX.  Within an hour, with NO notification from the buyer, I see that I receive a negative feedback from said buyer stating that the 'item was stolen off  their front porch.' Not only did I get blindsided, I didn't even have time to send them a refund (which I did immediately thereafter) before they left the negative- but EBAY customer service or whatever it is (or isn't) would not remove the negative! What is EBAY coming too? How can an event beyond a seller's control be our fault? Did I steal the item 'off the front porch?' The buyer is probably lying anyway being a scammer, but that's not the point. The point is that this negative FB injustice is so infuriating, I don't know what to do. Its hard enough getting sales on this platform, I have to scratch and claw and use every artifice to make one measly sale, every little advantage helps, and I believe 100% feedback is a necessary tool for more sales. I personally feel more secure buying from a seller with top FB, so I assume that's the case with most buyers! I feel like just closing up my EBAY store and saying screw it, because obviously EBAY doesn't have your back and hasn't for MANY YEARS NOW!!!

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For several of the posters here:

 

 

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GloryBells  • 
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@gyp*sy 

 

You didn't check your seller dashboard... how is that Ebay and the buyer's fault?

You didn't put your account on time away... how is that Ebay and the buyer's fault?

The items you got the two negatives for recently were for two pretty good dollar items... one was for $1100.. you don't think the buyer was concerned you had their money and didn't send the item? I wonder... how is that Ebay and the buyer's fault?

 

There are tools these days, such as the Ebay app for your smartphone. You can check all this on the go. You even get instant notifications when an item sells!

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You did not read everything I wrote. I called eBay right away explaining the situation and they told me what to do. It wasn't my fault that the item was damaged in shipping. I also called the carrier and they told me that they would have to complete an investigation and for the buyer to hold on to the item and the packaging. I called the buyer and explained the situation and they understood and told me there was no problem. But they also said that they wanted me to refund them. I explained to them that I did not have their money and that eBay was holding on to it and it would have to be eBay to refund them. They were angry over the whole situation and took it out on me even though I followed the instructions to a T. So if you don't know what you're talking about please don't respond. Make sure when you put a reply that you understand fully what's happening.

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Hi, I just had someone called "jerseyboymusic" respond to me.  Here is my response to him.  "You did not read everything I wrote. I called eBay right away explaining the situation and they told me what to do. It wasn't my fault that the item was damaged in shipping. I also called the carrier and they told me that they would have to complete an investigation and for the buyer to hold on to the item and the packaging. I called the buyer and explained the situation and they understood and told me there was no problem. But they also said that they wanted me to refund them. I explained to them that I did not have their money and that eBay was holding on to it and it would have to be eBay to refund them. They were angry over the whole situation and took it out on me even though I followed the instructions to a T. So if you don't know what you're talking about please don't respond. Make sure when you put a reply that you understand fully what's happening."

It sounds like he's one of Ebay's people.  He justifies the crap they pull.  Isn't it awful that not only does Ebay remove negative comments on FB but also they pit people against each other.

 

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Ummm, @jerseyboymusic  knows exactly what he’s talking about. eBay customer service gave you bad advice (definitely not the first time that’s happened!).  We are very experienced buyers and sellers who know eBay policy, while phone support is reading from a script, and will frequently go off the script to tell you what you want to hear whether it’s correct or not just to get you off the phone to move on to the next caller.

 

Good luck finding anyone here who knows how eBay actually works to agree with you.

GloryBells  • 
eBay Mentor Since 2008

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@gyp*sy 

 

I've been on Ebay since 1999, buying and selling. I am not employed by Ebay.

 

I did read everything you wrote. You can't "call Ebay". Even if you request a call back, you are getting outsourced representatives that are more interested in getting paid by how many calls they handle, rather than actually helping you.

 

It is YOUR responsibility to pack items securely for shipping. On that damaged item, Ebay doesn't have the money... you do. Just because you are upset and can't accept the help other sellers, like me, are giving you, don't lash out.

 

You are aware that if your buyer opens an "Not Described" return and you refuse it, they can keep the item and you refund the money out of pocket, aren't you? I don't know why you told your customer  " ...that I did not have their money and that eBay was holding on to it and it would have to be eBay to refund them."  That's not how it works.

 

If you don't know how Ebay works, don't list on their site. 

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@gyp*sy wrote:

You did not read everything I wrote.

We've all read everything. 

 

I called eBay right away explaining the situation and they told me what to do.

Calling ebay and taking advice from off-shore CS will more often than not get inaccurate and/or bad advice. 

 

It wasn't my fault that the item was damaged in shipping.

Although the item may have received damage during shipping, it's on the seller since it's the seller who chose which shipping service to use. The seller is responsible for getting the item to the buyer is good condition. So yeah, it's considered to be your fault. 

 

But they also said that they wanted me to refund them. I explained to them that I did not have their money and that eBay was holding on to it and it would have to be eBay to refund them.

You do have to refund them if and when they claim NAD (not as described) for damage. You do have their money; it's just being held by ebay. But you have or should have a backup source (as per ebay TOS) from which they get the funds to refund the buyer. 

 

They were angry over the whole situation and took it out on me even though I followed the instructions to a T.

I don't blame them for being upset. They paid for your item, received it damaged and you're giving them a hard time and blaming everyone else except yourself. 

 

So if you don't know what you're talking about please don't respond. 

Since you don't want @jerseyboymusic to respond, I have done so myself. (Keep in mind that this is a public forum and anyone can respond as long as it's within the community rules.)


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albertabrightalberta
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Thanks @albertabrightalberta AND @glorybells for the back up

 

I will also add that I looked at @gyp*sy "About" page and they have been on Ebay since 2001?!?!?!?

 

And now with a FB rating of 88.2%, the future doesn't look good for this account, especially with stalling on a refund. If Ebay forces that refund, it might all be a moot point

 

 

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I did pack it well. I've been with Ebay over 24 years. You weren't helping me. You were accusing me, just as you're doing now.  Stop thinking in a negative frame of mind.  I didn't lash out at you. I'm telling you what I did.  You are assuming what was done.  Unless you know for sure what was done, don't say anything.  Be like a judge and look it problems from all aspects.   Check to see how long a seller has been with Ebay, check their feedback etc.  Then check to see how  long a buyer has been with Ebay and if they sold items and purchased items, and check how much feedback they received and most importantly if that feedback was as a seller or just as a buyer (that will make a huge difference).  And please,  before you say anything,  make **bleep** sure the person you're speaking to, has many years with Ebay as well.  Remember you're not the only one who's been with Ebay for a long time.  I can guess that you're now taking this message in a negative view.  The only reason why you would think that is because you think you know more than anyone else and are condescending.   People do not like that.

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I did pack it well. I've been with Ebay over 24 years. You weren't helping me. You were accusing me, just as you're doing now.  Stop thinking in a negative frame of mind.  I didn't lash out at you. I'm telling you what I did.  You are assuming what was done.  Unless you know for sure what was done, don't say anything.  Be like a judge and look it problems from all aspects.   Check to see how long a seller has been with Ebay, check their feedback etc.  Then check to see how  long a buyer has been with Ebay and if they sold items and purchased items, and check how much feedback they received and most importantly if that feedback was as a seller or just as a buyer (that will make a huge difference).  And please,  before you say anything,  make **bleep** sure the person you're speaking to, has many years with Ebay as well.  Remember you're not the only one who's been with Ebay for a long time.  I can guess that you're now taking this message in a negative view.  The only reason why you would think that is because you think you know more than anyone else and are condescending.   People do not like that.


@gyp*sy 

 

Nobody is accusing you.

They all are explaining how eBay's policies work.

 

It may not seem fair but that's how it works.

Seller decides how to pack an item. PERIOD So if it's damaged, that's the seller's fault. The only recourse is insurance and the shipper will examine packaging to determine IF they will pay. 

 

eBay may have been holding your funds BUT you have to have another payment source to refund your buyer. You will recoup those funds after the case is done or eBay pay's out to you. It sucks but that is how it works.

 

Please put yourself in your BUYER'S shoes..

If you were the buyer, you would want your refund NOW. No? 

~Pika~
People in life that are the happiest don't have the most,, they make the most of what they have...

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Will it help you better understand if I chime in and say that @jerseyboymusic  and @albertabrightalberta are correct, since I have been here for about 25 year.  This is NOT meant with any disrespect, it just seems to be some important stats to you.  You have sold about 20 items per year.  I've sold about 1,900 transactions per year.  I don't typically state my stats, but judging from your previous posts it seems to be important to you and is a deciding factor in if you believe what someone else is telling you.

 

Refunding the buyer was your responsibility to issue as the seller.  Even though the funds were on hold.  YOU still need to issue the refund.  I do realize that puts some sellers in a real pickle if they don't have the funds available or a credit card in which they can put that amount on, but that doesn't change the fact that the refund is your responsibility.

 

What I usually suggest for sellers with this issue is to get the refund issue, then contact Ebay and get the funds on hold released right away.  Ebay can see that you issued the refund, so it is likely they will assist in getting the hold off those funds quickly.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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I didn't pick the carrier to ship my package.  Ebay handled all of that.  I always did my own over 24 years but they told me that it was cheaper and they had the label made. Of course I paid for it.

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Everything depends on what you're selling.  Sure you may have many sales, but what exactly are they?  Are they big, heavy and very expensive items?  Or are they light, easy to ship, throw in an envelope items.  Many people sell like a store.  I am not a store and I sell expensive, collectible items.  Hence, my not selling in bulk.  So if you fit into my category then you would know what I'm going through.   Let me know if this is what you do. Thanks

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@gyp*sy 

 

Just because I am saying what you don't want to hear, does not mean I'm attacking you. I don't know you. I'm sorry that you are taking it that way. I am stating facts, though.

 

You, with every post, keep shifting blame on Ebay, and not taking responsibility.  You said "I didn't pick the carrier to ship my package.  Ebay handled all of that." Ebay DOES NOT "pick" the carrier for you. YOU choose the carrier.

 

The bottom line is this... Ebay policy requires you, via the Ebay MBG, to have that buyer return the item and you issue a full refund. If Ebay issues that refund FOR you, that very well can be the final nail in your Ebay career.

 

You may have been registered on Ebay since 2001, but the site has changed in the last 21 years. 

 

Again, I'm not attacking you.. I'm trying to help you NOT to get your account into deeper hot water than it already is in

 

 

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@gyp*sy wrote:

I didn't pick the carrier to ship my package.  Ebay handled all of that.  I always did my own over 24 years but they told me that it was cheaper and they had the label made. Of course I paid for it.


No they didn't.  You have choices.  You may have kept the carrier that the system defaulted to when you went to create the shipping label, but you could have changed it if you wanted too.  You had lots of options on your screen when you were creating the label.  Ebay also does not auto create your shipping label.  YOU have to go into the system and CREATE the shipping label.  You have no choice but to pay for a shipping label created in Ebay.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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