08-30-2024 05:14 PM
No way do I understand how promoted listings work now. explanations?
08-30-2024 05:16 PM
You pay ebay an additional fee (percentage) for them to show your listing(s) more.
08-30-2024 05:22 PM
There are 2 types. The first one being 'Promoted Standard' which is basically the 'sponsored' items you may see on a list of items if you had done a 'keyword' search.
The amount minimum, if you so choose, is 2% ADDITIONAL fees (on TOP of Final Value Fees) for anything purchased.
and then there's also the 'halo' effect; which basically means:
If (for example) you ONLY promoted 50 out of 400 items, ANY time a potential buyer clicks on any ONE of those 'promoted' items, now ANYTHING they buy from your ENTIRE catalog of 'stuff'- you will be charged THAT 'promoted' amount.
The 2nd type is 'Promoted Advanced' - which is a flat dollar amount YOU approve just to 'advertise' your items on Search Engines, Emails (like I the side) various Websites etc. and this is charged whether you sell an item or not.
08-30-2024 05:24 PM
You pay Ebay more to show your items, but it doesn't mean more sales.
08-30-2024 06:23 PM
Hi, this link below from eBay’s Help pages might shed some light on the subject.
https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/listings/promoted-listings-overview?id=5295
08-31-2024 04:03 AM - edited 08-31-2024 04:05 AM
@natcher wrote:No way do I understand how promoted listings work now. explanations?
The best explanation of what PLs are really about, which I have ever seen on these boards, was penned by @wilsonharborsales, who wrote about PLs as "Software as a Service" that is offered by eBay to raise corporate revenue, with no guarantees of success for the sellers who purchase it. And it's a strategy that has worked wonders... for eBay.
I did not bookmark the thread, which appeared in the last few weeks, and at the moment cannot find it for you.
It should be mandatory reading for all sellers.
Along with Section 4 of the ebay user agreement.
08-31-2024 04:14 AM
Well hopefully since you don't understand it you are not already using it. Others have already provided you with some good information. Personally I have never used, and never will use PL. There is no guarantee that PL will increase sales which is all that matters. It can also become a costly race to the bottom as sellers raise their PL percentage to try to maintain what they think is a competitive advantage.
Unless you raise your prices to cover the cost of the PL you are reducing your ROI. Try expanding to other venues and forums. Competition in ecommerce is becoming fierce and eBay is no longer the only game in town. I sell less than 20% of my items by volume on eBay these days. That is down from what used to be about 90%.
08-31-2024 04:44 AM
My biggest complaint about Promoted Listings is this. Before PL was a thing I used to get X amount of sales per week. Then they invented PL and the idea was,
"Hey, pay us a little more in fees and we'll show your listings higher up in the search results to try and drum up more sales for you."
So I gave it a shot. When it first started you could choose 1%, so I promoted at 1% just to give it a test run.
I noticed little change.
Then they made it so you could only do a minimum of 2% and the "suggested rates" started climbing higher and higher. I made most things 2%. Sales started tanking.
Eventually, I got discouraged and "I guess I'll see what 10% does". My sales picked back up (to normal) again. I was making X amount per week.
I started going as high as .1 above the suggested rate (as long as it wasn't crazy high) to about an average of 12.1%. I saw a slight boost in sales for about a month. Higher than average. But then it fizzled down to about X amount per week.
The biggest difference I can see with PL, and I'm only being honest, not trying to criticize ebay or complain, the change is this... Now that I promote above the "suggested rate" I still get X Amount per week the difference being that now 75% of my sales are through PL, and I'm paying upwards of 12.1% MORE to ebay in fees for the same amount of sales I made per week before PL was a thing.
In short, ebay delivers the same results but at a much higher cost. Almost double what it used to be in fees. No boost in sales. No "X+A" to speak of.
Here's another thing I noticed. Why is it that on my most popular sellers the "suggested rate" is upwards of 17%? Especially on items where competition is low and other items in that category still only say 7-12% suggested?
My theory is that the Algo will always bump your "suggested rate" about 5% on your biggest sellers. Of course this is their way of saying "Hey give me more money on these that you sell a ton of!" But in reality, why should you? They aren't promising selling more of that item, just that they'll show it at the top alot. But if your customers already find it, what sense does that make?
In reality, what ebay should be doing is looking to combine all their "Promoted listing" schemes into one, if you want people to participate there has to be a benefit for the customer in real dollars. Sales. Not the same as before at higher fees but ADDITIONAL sales. Less manipulation in the results, less "shadow banning". And perhaps banner ads on and off site. Not "pay per click" but just the final sale percentage. Combine the two and I believe you'll benefit the seller with more sales, and incentive to participate.
In my humble opinion it was in poor taste to implement a scheme like this without a benefit to the sellers at a time when the economy for many people is suffering. It was like "throwing a weight to a drowning man." That 12.1% extra in fees they're taking from X amount per week is taking from me at a time when everything is going up in price.
If PL was X+A and A = 12.1% more in sales revenue weekly, that would have been a benefit. Instead of PL being X-A and A = 12.1% more in fees.
08-31-2024 04:51 AM
@dbfolks166mt wrote:Well hopefully since you don't understand it you are not already using it. Others have already provided you with some good information. Personally I have never used, and never will use PL. There is no guarantee that PL will increase sales which is all that matters. It can also become a costly race to the bottom as sellers raise their PL percentage to try to maintain what they think is a competitive advantage.
Unless you raise your prices to cover the cost of the PL you are reducing your ROI. Try expanding to other venues and forums. Competition in ecommerce is becoming fierce and eBay is no longer the only game in town. I sell less than 20% of my items by volume on eBay these days. That is down from what used to be about 90%.
I believe that is because you don't participate in PL's. It's really "mandatory" now if you want sales.
08-31-2024 12:02 PM
Another thing I thought of recently was that I can remember that one of the selling points of having an ebay business was that you didn't need to spend money on advertising.
Ebay needs to play this one carefully. If they continue making their customers (the sellers) subsidize their ad spend. Eventually they will drive sellers away.
Why not open your own website if you are going to need to spend money on advertising? It only makes sense.
08-31-2024 01:04 PM
I will never pay for my listings to show up at the top of a buyer's suppose search! The buyer just needs to their own research work to find my items and compare with other listings.
With all the word search play eBay has, how does a seller know that their item has really been viewed and that their PL fees are paying off?
08-31-2024 01:21 PM - edited 08-31-2024 01:21 PM
@movieman630 wrote:
@dbfolks166mt wrote:Well hopefully since you don't understand it you are not already using it. Others have already provided you with some good information. Personally I have never used, and never will use PL. There is no guarantee that PL will increase sales which is all that matters. It can also become a costly race to the bottom as sellers raise their PL percentage to try to maintain what they think is a competitive advantage.
Unless you raise your prices to cover the cost of the PL you are reducing your ROI. Try expanding to other venues and forums. Competition in ecommerce is becoming fierce and eBay is no longer the only game in town. I sell less than 20% of my items by volume on eBay these days. That is down from what used to be about 90%.
I believe that is because you don't participate in PL's. It's really "mandatory" now if you want sales.
Mandatory? Not for the categories in which I sell.
eBay promotes my listings at no charge because of my customer service policies.
"Promoted listings" is a software package that eBay is selling you. It guarantees only one thing: more revenue to eBay. And it has earned the company tens of millions.
What a racket and kudos to eBay for figuring out how to hook sellers. Incredible.
08-31-2024 01:25 PM - edited 08-31-2024 01:26 PM
@movieman630 wrote:Another thing I thought of recently was that I can remember that one of the selling points of having an ebay business was that you didn't need to spend money on advertising.
Ebay needs to play this one carefully. If they continue making their customers (the sellers) subsidize their ad spend. Eventually they will drive sellers away.
Why not open your own website if you are going to need to spend money on advertising? It only makes sense.
eBay has a million shortcomings, but I can vouch for this particular claim.
You do NOT have to spend an additional dime on eBay advertising to see an increase in sales. That has been my experience, selling in about a dozen categories here, for many years.
08-31-2024 01:35 PM
Promoted listings is advertising. Nothing more. And advertising is a way to stand out from the competition.
In this sense it is just a variant of such things as: running all auctions beginning at 99 cents, or providing top notch customer service, or providing a unique product or simply a high quality product, or an amazingly inexpensive product, or using social media to draw traffic etc. All of these things basically have two aims on ebay: 1. to gain visibility on the platform (and perhaps off the platform as well) and 2. to convert the buyer drawn to the item.
Different things will work for different sellers. Figure out what works for you.
08-31-2024 01:38 PM
I totally disagree with your comment of: I believe that is because you don't participate in PL's. It's really "mandatory" now if you want sales.
Everyone needs to stop with the mentality that they need to pay extra for anything no matter what it is!
1. tickets to concerts to see lip syncing and paying $15 to $20 for a beer.
2. parking fees just to eat at a restaurant or to go to a local event in you downtown area.
3. pay extra $2.00 to eBay if you want your money faster as a seller.
4. pay eBay extra for your listing to pop up first. If 50 of us sellers pay the same fee for the same item, who's listing shows up first?
5. You can't even watch sports today unless you're paying for various packages to see all your favorite team(s) play.
6. The one I love is my insurance company. If I only pay monthly over 9 months, I'm charged a $5.00 fee. REALLY?
I'm sure many others can add onto this list of their issues.
Enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend everyone.