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b86fiero · ‎05-17-2019

Received another invite to enroll in managed payments a couple weeks ago. Have not yet enrolled.

Just received another email stating I had to enroll by May 31 to take advantage of 2.7% processing fees.

Does that mean the processing fee will rise for those who enroll after that date?

buyselljack2016 · ‎05-19-2019

@hillbillymedia wrote:
"Assuming of course that ebay doesn't start keeping the fees on returns/cancellations, and then I would cry foul with the buyer is always right philosophy."

I`m wondering what the chances are of this NOT happening?? My guess.....it`s a certainty once we are all corralled in.

The only response that I have seen from eBay when this question was posed was a non-answer. A non-commitment. Something like the payment fee would be refunded, or not refunded by eBay depending upon how the funds processor handled it.

hillbillymedia · ‎05-19-2019

@this*old*attic wrote:
I have to say I’ll miss the one stop business income/expense simplicity of EBay money just going into PayPal. Sigh.

Thank you. I agree and you expressed my thoughts much better than I did.

"There`s always barber college" - Dalton - Road House

hillbillymedia · ‎05-20-2019

Mam...has ebay stated what duration options they are going to offer besides once a day? I haven`t found anything solid from ebay on this.

While I understand your position, over the years, ebay has made so many changes that cause more work, and time, to list and process orders I`ve come to resent it. The scrolling, added clicking etc. The new ebay labels page is a prefect example. It all boils down to working harder and spending more time to run my operation. It SHOULD be going in the opposite and to a more streamlined direction but that just isn`t the case unfortunately.

"There`s always barber college" - Dalton - Road House

mam98031 · ‎05-20-2019

@hillbillymedia wrote:
Mam...has ebay stated what duration options they are going to offer besides once a day? I haven`t found anything solid from ebay on this.

While I understand your position, over the years, ebay has made so many changes that cause more work, and time, to list and process orders I`ve come to resent it. The scrolling, added clicking etc. The new ebay labels page is a prefect example. It all boils down to working harder and spending more time to run my operation. It SHOULD be going in the opposite and to a more streamlined direction but that just isn`t the case unfortunately.

I haven't seen anything on deposits either. I have no clue whatsoever as to why they are sticking to this.

While I agree that over the years Ebay has made tons of changes. Some to me seem to be change for change sake and not because it improves anything. Sometimes the changes are good IMHO. Sometimes they aren't IMHO. But others may disagree as we may not see all the changes in the same light.

If you want to talk specifics, I'm willing to engage. Maybe if we hit on something that bothers you and I've discovered a way to work with it instead of against it, I'm more than happy to share. I don't know if I can help but I'm happy to try.

I'm not in the new shipping labels yet, so I can't help you there.

mam98031 • Volunteer Community Member • Buyer/Seller since 1999

ersatz_sobriquet · ‎05-20-2019

@mam98031 wrote:
@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
With Preypal soon to not refund the 2.9 on cancellations and returns, managed payments through Ayden is suddenly looking good...I would grab the chance. Assuming of course that ebay doesn't start keeping the fees on returns/cancellations, and then I would cry foul with the buyer is always right philosophy.
PP hasn't announced when they are going to implement this. For now all we know is that they aren't doing it at this time. It could be weeks, months or years. We just don't know.

The bottom line is that preypal has now made it legal for them to keep the 2.9% in these cases at anytime, perhaps without a moment's notice. I'm a no nonsense type, and they have set themselves up legally, which is all that matters to me.

mam98031 · ‎05-20-2019

@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:
@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
With Preypal soon to not refund the 2.9 on cancellations and returns, managed payments through Ayden is suddenly looking good...I would grab the chance. Assuming of course that ebay doesn't start keeping the fees on returns/cancellations, and then I would cry foul with the buyer is always right philosophy.
PP hasn't announced when they are going to implement this. For now all we know is that they aren't doing it at this time. It could be weeks, months or years. We just don't know.
The bottom line is that preypal has now made it legal for them to keep the 2.9% in these cases at anytime, perhaps without a moment's notice. I'm a no nonsense type, and they have set themselves up legally, which is all that matters to me.

Well that is on the assumption it was illegal in the first place and I personally don't hold that opinion. While I was not in any way happy with the policy change, I do not think it is illegal. They provided a service and they wanted to be paid for that service.

IMHO we have all been very lucky over the years that they have refunded fees and I'm very happy that at least for now they are continuing to do so. But with that said and since PP does refund all the fees except the 30 cent transaction fee, this means that PP is NOT getting paid for services rendered. Not once but twice. Processing the payment and processing the refund.

Sellers scream and holler about not getting paid for the work that they do. That the return system is too much in favor of a buyer which causes sellers to be taken advantage far too often. Which is very true IMHO.

So what makes this different. PP just wanted to be paid for services rendered. Just like sellers want to be paid for services rendered. Just a thought to consider.

mam98031 • Volunteer Community Member • Buyer/Seller since 1999

b86fiero · ‎05-20-2019

Just read an interesting post on Seller Hub titled Managed Payments from a current participant. Worth taking a look at.

Note it might get moved to the Payments board by the mods at some point.

b86fiero · ‎05-20-2019

Regarding Paypal transfers, it is my experience that when I transfer funds from Paypal to my bank account the funds are credited very quickly. (Same day except on weekends).

When I transferred funds from my bank account to my Paypal account it took 4 days for the funds to be credited.

So, as stated in the MP post on the Seller Hub board noted above, the delay in eBay depositing your earnings into your bank account plus the time for any transfer to Paypal to be credited, sellers would be wise to keep on top of available funds to pay for shipping labels.

Banks who don't currently charge for transfers and Paypal might see transfer fees as a cash cow for them in the near future.

It sure would be helpful if eBay would open up the secret MP participant board to the rest of us so we can hear first hand what's going on.

dtexley3 · ‎05-20-2019

@mam98031 wrote:
@auctionpet wrote:
Interesting how those who don't want to enroll get invited and those who do, don't. I've made the request a few times and heard crickets. With paypal now included, don't see why you wouldn't enroll.
I'll share my reasons.

1. PP must be accepted [yes I know it is on it's way and will be part of MP for everyone in it soon]
2. Ability to issue partial refunds without making a buyer open a SNAD.
3. Dang there was another reason, but it escapes me right now, sorry.

This is the sticking point for me, this needs to be fixed before I join MP voluntarily.

I'm also not happy handing eBay banking information since they can't even maintain the site code properly. As a developer I know the requirements for banking security infrastructure and I can't see eBay being able to handle the coding for that.

Member of the Grumpy Old Man crew

mam98031 · ‎05-20-2019

@dtexley3 wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:
@auctionpet wrote:
Interesting how those who don't want to enroll get invited and those who do, don't. I've made the request a few times and heard crickets. With paypal now included, don't see why you wouldn't enroll.
I'll share my reasons.

1. PP must be accepted [yes I know it is on it's way and will be part of MP for everyone in it soon]
2. Ability to issue partial refunds without making a buyer open a SNAD.
3. Dang there was another reason, but it escapes me right now, sorry.
This is the sticking point for me, this needs to be fixed before I join MP voluntarily.

I'm also not happy handing eBay banking information since they can't even maintain the site code properly. As a developer I know the requirements for banking security infrastructure and I can't see eBay being able to handle the coding for that.

Adyen has a proven track record. Adyen is the payment processor.

My credit card has been on my Ebay account for many years. It is what I pay my fees with. So speaking for myself only, I don't feel the same way you do about Ebay in this regard.

For you, all you need to do is open an account that you are specifically going to use for the MP program. Use it for nothing else. You can always transfer money from this special bank account to your main account. Then you have the comfort of knowing your main account is protected from what you perceive as a threat.

mam98031 • Volunteer Community Member • Buyer/Seller since 1999

ersatz_sobriquet · ‎05-20-2019

@mam98031 wrote:
@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:
@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
With Preypal soon to not refund the 2.9 on cancellations and returns, managed payments through Ayden is suddenly looking good...I would grab the chance. Assuming of course that ebay doesn't start keeping the fees on returns/cancellations, and then I would cry foul with the buyer is always right philosophy.
PP hasn't announced when they are going to implement this. For now all we know is that they aren't doing it at this time. It could be weeks, months or years. We just don't know.
The bottom line is that preypal has now made it legal for them to keep the 2.9% in these cases at anytime, perhaps without a moment's notice. I'm a no nonsense type, and they have set themselves up legally, which is all that matters to me.
Well that is on the assumption it was illegal in the first place and I personally don't hold that opinion. While I was not in any way happy with the policy change, I do not think it is illegal. They provided a service and they wanted to be paid for that service.

IMHO we have all been very lucky over the years that they have refunded fees and I'm very happy that at least for now they are continuing to do so. But with that said and since PP does refund all the fees except the 30 cent transaction fee, this means that PP is NOT getting paid for services rendered. Not once but twice. Processing the payment and processing the refund.

Sellers scream and holler about not getting paid for the work that they do. That the return system is too much in favor of a buyer which causes sellers to be taken advantage far too often. Which is very true IMHO.

So what makes this different. PP just wanted to be paid for services rendered. Just like sellers want to be paid for services rendered. Just a thought to consider.

The underlined above has nothing to do with me, nor the rest of the "illegal" discussion, or the argument that they deserve to be paid for the service upon cancellation/refunds.

I said they have set themselves up legally (per the UA) to keep these fees and this is correct.

I do not base my business decisions on hope--that preypal won't implement the policy. It is now legal for them to implement the policy without further notice, and that's the no-nonsense matter of facts.

jeannicho22 · ‎05-20-2019

@auctionpet wrote:
Interesting how those who don't want to enroll get invited and those who do, don't. I've made the request a few times and heard crickets. With paypal now included, don't see why you wouldn't enroll.

Because the PayPal account is not YOUR PayPal account, it is eBay's PayPal account. Some of us use our credit cards to pay off eBay and shipping fees and get CASH for doing so, I usually get about $700.00 per year. If I'm understanding managed payments, and I BELIEVE I do... could be wrong.... all of your fees are deducted from your sales and the balance is deposited into your bank. $700.00 per year isn't going to break the bank, but I do enjoy getting it. I would never voluntarily opt into managed payments.

Etsy also has managed payments.... Geez, what a mess. I get notifications of errors on my account about every couple of months. And given the way the figure things, you need a masters in finance to understand how they figure things... scratch that... since I don't think they understand how they figure things. I can't imagine that eBay's managed payments would be much of an improvement. It is just some much simpler to show all the money coming in and then all the money going out. Easy Peasy.

That's a big no on opting in to managed payments. I'm just going to enjoy the current method until I'm forced in kicking and screaming. There will be claw marks as I'm pulled down the rabbit hole.

trustedbasset · ‎05-20-2019

I don’t want eBay to go under but understand the resentment.

Constantly changing policy and selling rules, throttling sellers listings, opting sellers in without permission, glitches in the system and ever increasing ways to charge sellers more money.

Little or no advertising, buyers almost always win disputes and more ways to increase fees to sellers. No wonder sellers are unhappy.

Dear God, please help me to be
the person my dog thinks I am.

jeannicho22 · ‎05-20-2019

@mam98031 wrote:
@this*old*attic wrote:
I have to say I’ll miss the one stop business income/expense simplicity of EBay money just going into PayPal. Sigh.
I could not agree with you more. While the MP program is making improvements, it will not ever be as friendly or as flexible as PP is. Etsy uses Adyen. While they run far smoother and have more abilities than Ebay's MP, still it is shaded by the abilities of PP. There is just no comparison IMHO.

@this*old*attic

Lawd help us.

Etsy's MP program is a red hot mess. I cannot tell you how many bills I've received and then a couple hours later I get notification that they sent it in error and that they are depositing funds into my bank If eBay's MP is 1/2 as bad as Etsy's, we're all in trouble.

mam98031 · ‎05-20-2019

@jeannicho22 wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:
@this*old*attic wrote:
I have to say I’ll miss the one stop business income/expense simplicity of EBay money just going into PayPal. Sigh.
I could not agree with you more. While the MP program is making improvements, it will not ever be as friendly or as flexible as PP is. Etsy uses Adyen. While they run far smoother and have more abilities than Ebay's MP, still it is shaded by the abilities of PP. There is just no comparison IMHO.

@this*old*attic
Lawd help us.

Etsy's MP program is a red hot mess. I cannot tell you how many bills I've received and then a couple hours later I get notification that they sent it in error and that they are depositing funds into my bank If eBay's MP is 1/2 as bad as Etsy's, we're all in trouble.