eBay in freefall decline

[gripthis2009]

Unfortunately, eBay is no longer a viable selling platform for new AUTHENTIC products. Too many counterfeit products which eBay has to be aware of as you can read the counterfeit complaints in the feedback, yet the sellers are allowed to keep selling. Buyers are aware of this. eBay has thrown all its good merchants under the bus and they have left eBay. Last year Amazon did 144 billion in sales. eBay did 9 billion. eBay used to be top dog, now they are a very distant second to Amazon. I can't stand Bezos, but you have tp give him credit on stomping out the competition (eBay). I just put a new best quality product we manufacture in Europe on eBay 2 1/2 days ago.....only 4 views. Put the same product on Amazon at the same time and sold 63 units in 2 1/2 days. Amazon promotes your product, more buyers, better shipping system, etc.. Sad to see, but eBay can't compete, and although their customer service people are very polite, and professional and do the best they can to help, the upper management at eBay are totally incompetent and have no idea how to stop the financial hemmorhaging in sales revenue that is now occurring at eBay. That same management attempts to take advantage the sellers on the eBay platform. We have been on eBay 13 years, have 100% feedback score, top rated seller...and all that means nothing as eBay has become a money losing proposition. Time to move on.

[gripthis2009]

Legally speaking, eBay is the middleman, and not a party to the sale. The contract is between the seller, and customer. There is a condition in law called "interference in the performance of a contract" . eBay not being a party of the sale, therefore eBay lacks standing to dictate the terms of the sale, or interfere with that sale. 

[gripthis2009]

For the record, I manufactured the Ray Ban frames for Luxottica (owns Ray Ban) for 14 years IN CHINA. What is stated in that ad is correct. I'm also the manufacturer of the "Aggressor" by Kalamata Glass of Greece, Inc. sunglasses. We have a location in Greece. Our sunglasses are 4 times the quality of Ray Bans and meet the strict military requirements of Mil-Spec 25948J for lenses for military pilots. Ray Ban doesn't even come close to that requirement, and are all made in China with some being made in India. Ray Bans have NEVER been made in Italy. Our location in Greece is one hour away of the main corporate office of Luxottica located in Milan, Italy. Been there many times over those 14 years.

[luckythewinner]

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@gripthis2009 wrote:

There is a condition in law called "interference in the performance of a contract" .

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There is such a thing, but establishing the terms of the sale on a third party website does not constitute interference. Both the seller and the buyer also have a contract with eBay.

[gripthis2009]

You need to read competent, and accurate sources :

https://www.digitalcommerce360.com/article/ebays-sales/

Numbers don't lie. eBay has had 5 consecutive quarters in declining revenue. However, you can believe what you want and are certainly entitled to your opinion.

[domin-tomas]

Good for you, sounds like you know your stuff. The problem with this board is you get attacked when you don't have anything nice to say. If you have a problem they don't help they try to knock you down. Well, not all. Good luck with your issue.

[monroe67]

"eBay not being a party of the sale, therefore eBay lacks standing to dictate the terms of the sale, or interfere with that sale."

Interesting.   But I don't think it's exactly true, per eBay's published policies.  
I always prefer to follow the written contract (on eBay, it's called the User Agreement) between me and the place I choose to (try to) sell products.  But I guess that's just my own way of dealing with the world.  

I have sold things at a local consignment shop and accepted that they would charge a 50% commission. 
If I wanted to set up a table at a swap meet, I would try to find out what requirements the owners of the property have in place for sellers. 
And I have sold things (under my selling ID) on eBay and accepted all the terms spelled out in the User Agreement that applies to e-v-e-r-y person and/or entity that sells or buys things on eBay.  

Like -- is it really OK with eBay for a seller to cancel a purchase and refuse to ship a purchased item if that seller just considers there's something "risky" in the transaction?  Personally, I've never done that.  Seems  to me that eBay might have some problems with that.  

[kensgiftshop]

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@gripthis2009 wrote:

What ? Never happened. I see you like to make things up, and you're obviously illiterate. Have someone read to you our 100% customer feedback comments. We have a 100% feedback score along with customers stating they took the product we sold them to an authorized dealer, the authorized dealer verified what we sold them was authentic...air head. We have hundreds of feedback comments like that.

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I can read just fine thanks.

Like when I read Ray Ban on your listing and the listing has nothing to do with Ray Ban.

If your buyers are happy buying them, fine.

[mam98031]

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@2011jleach31 wrote:

It is a good comparison because the upper management at ebay thinks they can turn it into Amazon.....they cannot and will continue to fail until they reverse course.  

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That is your opinion and it is fine, you have every right to it.  But you can't speak to what upper management actually thinks.  None of us can.

Another way to look at it is Ebay has had 26+ years to do what you think they are doing, yet we are no where near reaching that point.

Ebay isn't failing.  Are you reading different financial statements than I am?

[gripthis2009]

Wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about :

https://www.luxottica.com/en/tristar-class

ALL Luxottica products (Ray Ban, Coach, Oakley, etc.) are made in China. As a vendor for Luxottica I've been in all those factories. However, you can believe what you want.

[mam98031]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@gripthis2009 wrote:

Unfortunately, eBay is no longer a viable selling platform for new AUTHENTIC products.

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For some reason, my buyers have not gotten that memo.

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Nor have mine.

[luckythewinner]

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@gripthis2009 wrote:

Numbers don't lie. eBay has had 5 consecutive quarters in declining revenue. However, you can believe what you want and are certainly entitled to your opinion.

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Just as you are certainly entitled to your opinion that eBay is in a "free fall decline".

[mam98031]

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@gripthis2009 wrote:

Wrong on all counts. Legally speaking, eBay is the middleman, and not a party to the sale. The contract is between the seller, and customer. There is a condition in law called "interference in the performance of a contract" . eBay not being a party of the sale, therefore eBay lacks standing to dictate the terms of the sale, or interfere with that sale. 

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Clearly you didn't read the User Agreement you agreed to in order so you could sign up to use this site.  That is something you really should read, carefully.

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259

Ebay is NOT the "middleman".  This site Ebay owns, not the sellers.  Ebay sets the rules here, not the sellers.  If you don't like the rules on Ebay or don't understand them, you might want to rethink your position.

[mam98031]

Well sort of.

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/search-browse-manipulation-policy?id=4243

[mam98031]

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@domin-tomas wrote:

Good for you, sounds like you know your stuff. The problem with this board is you get attacked when you don't have anything nice to say. If you have a problem they don't help they try to knock you down. Well, not all. Good luck with your issue.

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@domin-tomas 

That isn't necessarily true.  The OP's problem here is that they aren't listening to some very good advice.  They did listen to some of it and revised their listing.  But on other points they aren't and their listing is still in violation of Ebay policies.

You are correct, this OP really seems to know about the product they are selling, but their problem is they think they know about Ebay and their rules and in fact they are lacking a bit in that arena and some of us have been trying to help them.  

[gripthis2009]

Actually it is true. I'm a retired Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation judge/ commissioner. In Florida, eBay has no legal right to interfere with a contractural relationship which is addressed in the Florida Statutes which eBay agreed to adhere to when they were required by law to register with the Florida Division of Corporations  for a business license if they wanted to conduct business in the State of Florida.