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Would like to block from buying, but don't want to block messages...

I got an INR yesterday. I don't like it when people wait until one day past the expected date of delivery to file an INR (it's a standard letter, so tracking may or may not show delivered when it finally gets delivered).

 

I would like to block this buyer from being able to buy until this is sorted out, but if I block him he can't contact me when he gets it and offer to repay me for it (like lots of buyers do on ESE when they file an INR).

 

I suspect being that it's a new buyer the INR was filed in an attempt to reach out to me and inquire about his item not received yet, but following prompts turned it into a request. It's insured anyway if I refund, but I don't want to sell any more to someone until the situation is sorted out in this type of case.

 

So this is another case of blocking messages not being ideal... I can either let him buy again, or block him and potentially prevent myself from being paid if the buyer is honest. Another package that was shipped the same date just arrived today, so I think it's just delayed.

 

Another complaint is that eBay doesn't provide enough time for items to arrive when mail is busier or things are happening. I put economy shipping on my listings but it's still not giving a very long time for items to be delivered before buyers can file an INR.

 

C.

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It's my understanding that if there has been a recent transaction, there can be communication for 30days, including an exchange of contact information, even if one party is Blocked.

 

A couple of months ago someone in the forum blocked another member, the member sent a message, and it was never received.

But there was no transaction involved, so.....

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@sin-n-dex wrote:

@iamcara wrote:

@sin-n-dex wrote:

@iamcara wrote:


Hmm. I know there are two ways to block a member. Through the block button on the eBay app, or by adding the username on to the block list via web browser. I think they do the same thing though.

 

Customers are not able to message you, and blocked users cannot message you, but if they have bought anything from you, they will be able to send you messages no matter what.


The posts here (and the blues have confirmed) the block buyer (I do it from the web) is an instant block of all communication, even if a transaction has taken place. There's been lots of talk about how you can't communicate in a return and if you block the buyer, you can't communicate with them at all (well I suppose you can send messages to the buyer, the blocked buyer can't send messages to you).

 

Unfortunately I won't be able to test that (if it's blocked after buying) since the only person who buys from me that I can rely on for troubleshooting hasn't bought recently. When this has been tested by people in the forum it was just adding the name to the BBL and testing it.

 

@wastingtime101  Can you weigh in? I think you were on a bunch of those threads.

 

C.


Interesting. Maybe something funny was going on when the blocked buyer was messaging me. The buyer that I mentioned earlier, who had messaged me when I had messages off, was able to message me immediately after purchase, which to me is essentially the same thing as messaging me at checkout.

 

Anyways not sure what kind of technical things are going on. Maybe the blocked buyer was able to message me because they opened an INR case? That might have been it.

 

 


Could it be something like "within 15 days" like you have that link for an email address (which is just some convoluted eBay thing). I actually have a rule of capturing the Sales Record within 15 days just to get that info, the email address works after 15 days... but they don't share it after 15 days.

 

Another poster just posted this was tested, but I don't suppose anyone tested it right after making a purchase. If I knew for sure they could message me because they'd purchase, I'd block pre-emptively. I'm not keen on selling people who's first action is to file an INR when an item is one day late, but in the event of it being a misunderstanding that later gets sorted out, I'd be willing to sell to that person again.

 

C.


The message I received from the blocked buyer and the buyer who messaged me after checkout was in the eBay messaging system. Not sure if sending a message through the email you're talking about would send the message through the messaging system as well.

 

I had messages off for a month or so because many buyers would ask ridiculous questions and make all these special requests about this and that, and it was obvious to me that they were telling me what to do just to open up a useless conversation out of boredom or what other kind of fantasy that might be in their heads. One customer even told me to ship the item faster than my standard 1 business day policy (As in I will ship items bought in the morning on the same day, but will ship items bought in the afternoon the day after purchase) because he was going on vacation and didn't want his item sitting in the mailbox. Ok buddy, tell me that when you're the dictator god-emperor, but for now you need to lay off.

 

This was happening quite often, and I hope that I've changed enough things to detract customers like this. One thing to note is that my sales did not seem to decrease at all as a result of having messages off. Though the fact that the buyers were still able to circumvent these settings convinced me to turn messages back on. Not much point in turning off messages because 10% of your customers are belligerent.

 

As for blocking I would say that it isn't much of a big deal. If they are reasonable people they will just swallow the misunderstanding and buy from you from a different account.

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@dbfolks166mt wrote:

 

 

     I believe, but who knows with the new messaging changes, that even though you block a buyer they can still message you if it involves something you have sold to them or if you are working an issue with them. It would be new listings they attempted to contact you about. 


I think we weren't able to test that part because when this was tested in forum, it wasn't relating to an existing sale.

 

I would call eBay to speak to a CSR and ask, but we all know how their information is not accurate.

 

C.

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@iamcara wrote:

 

As for blocking I would say that it isn't much of a big deal. If they are reasonable people they will just swallow the misunderstanding and buy from you from a different account.


I do welcome messages since half of them are relating to something that was missed in the listing, or about combined shipping (to ask questions about that).

 

As for the different account, technically if the reason someone is blocked is inconsequential, I probably would never notice if they bought again on a different account. I only remember details on chronic scammers (one scammer has used three different accounts to buy, I know who he is and where he lives, I cancel every single time).

 

Basically if someone stands out in my mind for being obnoxious, I'll remember who they are... if I've just blocked for something like filing an INR, I don't commit all that information to memory. I do keep records of every transaction and have searchable means to check stuff... so if they did use another account with the same name/address and do a second INR... I would probably catch that and make sure I report the buyer for circumventing BBL (but I might lose the second INR, pending on how shipped).

 

C.

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@sin-n-dex wrote:

@iamcara wrote:

 

As for blocking I would say that it isn't much of a big deal. If they are reasonable people they will just swallow the misunderstanding and buy from you from a different account.


I do welcome messages since half of them are relating to something that was missed in the listing, or about combined shipping (to ask questions about that).

 

As for the different account, technically if the reason someone is blocked is inconsequential, I probably would never notice if they bought again on a different account. I only remember details on chronic scammers (one scammer has used three different accounts to buy, I know who he is and where he lives, I cancel every single time).

 

Basically if someone stands out in my mind for being obnoxious, I'll remember who they are... if I've just blocked for something like filing an INR, I don't commit all that information to memory. I do keep records of every transaction and have searchable means to check stuff... so if they did use another account with the same name/address and do a second INR... I would probably catch that and make sure I report the buyer for circumventing BBL (but I might lose the second INR, pending on how shipped).

 

C.


Yes... I will definitely remember some of my worst transactions. Thankfully eBay seems to keep records of things to a great extent. Not sure if I have the drive to really print out records of every transaction, but, to each their own 🙂

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@iamcara wrote:

@sin-n-dex wrote:

@iamcara wrote:

 

As for blocking I would say that it isn't much of a big deal. If they are reasonable people they will just swallow the misunderstanding and buy from you from a different account.


I do welcome messages since half of them are relating to something that was missed in the listing, or about combined shipping (to ask questions about that).

 

As for the different account, technically if the reason someone is blocked is inconsequential, I probably would never notice if they bought again on a different account. I only remember details on chronic scammers (one scammer has used three different accounts to buy, I know who he is and where he lives, I cancel every single time).

 

Basically if someone stands out in my mind for being obnoxious, I'll remember who they are... if I've just blocked for something like filing an INR, I don't commit all that information to memory. I do keep records of every transaction and have searchable means to check stuff... so if they did use another account with the same name/address and do a second INR... I would probably catch that and make sure I report the buyer for circumventing BBL (but I might lose the second INR, pending on how shipped).

 

C.


Yes... I will definitely remember some of my worst transactions. Thankfully eBay seems to keep records of things to a great extent. Not sure if I have the drive to really print out records of every transaction, but, to each their own 🙂


The "print sales orders to PDF" is just in case I get audited by Revenue Canada. I want all my proof of what I did.

 

eBay message exchanges and sales information is saved in my email and goes back as far as I've been on eBay. When something catches my attention I search. No saving required. I've got a folder each for starting listings, ending listings and sales, payments, invoices sent out, eBay messages, etc. Having this info is very helpful if I can't find an item in inventory and need to find out what happened to it. Being assured I never sold it gives me the drive to continue searching until I find it (instead of freaking out and cancelling the order). I don't get so many OOS on my huge inventory as a result of being able to find out what might have happened to items.

 

C.

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@iamcara wrote:

It is not possible to block a buyer from sending you messages, regardless of block status or any settings you have changed in the communicate with buyers settings page.


wha wha wha what?? 

 

It's ALWAYS been possible to block- and now it is Impossible NOT to block when you add a buyer to the BBL.

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@stainlessenginecovers wrote:

@iamcara wrote:

It is not possible to block a buyer from sending you messages, regardless of block status or any settings you have changed in the communicate with buyers settings page.


wha wha wha what?? 

 

It's ALWAYS been possible to block- and now it is Impossible NOT to block when you add a buyer to the BBL.


That's what I thought, but hoping others who've participated in those other threads could weigh in... I'm not tech savvy enough to dig up past threads on this.

 

C.

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Everyone should actually type out acronyms.
What is INR?

It’s most helpful and relevant to communicate clearly and honestly.

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@sin-n-dex wrote:

@iamcara wrote:
Customers are not able to message you, and blocked users cannot message you, but if they have bought anything from you, they will be able to send you messages no matter what.

The posts here (and the blues have confirmed) the block buyer (I do it from the web) is an instant block of all communication, even if a transaction has taken place. There's been lots of talk about how you can't communicate in a return and if you block the buyer, you can't communicate with them at all (well I suppose you can send messages to the buyer, the blocked buyer can't send messages to you).

 

Unfortunately I won't be able to test that (if it's blocked after buying) since the only person who buys from me that I can rely on for troubleshooting hasn't bought recently.

 

@wastingtime101  Can you weigh in? I think you were on a bunch of those threads.


@sin-n-dex @iamcara 

When a buyer is on your BBL (blocked buyer list) their messages are blocked. From the buyer's end, they can send a message and it will look like it goes through, but eBay blocks it so the seller never receives it. Sellers have no control over that.

 

It does not matter if there has been a recent transaction, messages from someone on your BBL will not make it to you.

 

The only form of messaging allowed from a buyer on your BBL is:

- Within an INR (item not received claim) messages can be posted on the INR, but not through eBay's message system.

 

The message setting on the buyer management page does not apply to the BBL. It applies exclusively to buyer block settings - whether or not you want to allow communications from people with too many unpaid items, in a location you don't ship to, and those types of blocks.

 

This is the way it's been since Summer 2023. eBay has not changed any of it since then.

 

Hi kyle@ebay - please see OP for another use case to pass on. Sellers want to control whether or not they receive messages from buyers on their BBL like we used to.

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@sin-n-dex,

 

I think the hardest situation to set up for a communication test would be the one where a buyer already has a transaction with a seller, and then is blocked.

 

I have a (cancelled) transaction with you from late October, when we were figuring out how a foreign buyer had gotten around your Time Away setting block on sales. If you want to block me, you can let me know here and I will then try to contact you and let you know. (Hopefully, you will unblock me afterwards!)

 

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@lacemaker3 wrote:

@sin-n-dex,

 

I think the hardest situation to set up for a communication test would be the one where a buyer already has a transaction with a seller, and then is blocked.

 

I have a (cancelled) transaction with you from late October, when we were figuring out how a foreign buyer had gotten around your Away setting block on sales. If you want to block me, you can let me know here and I will then try to contact you and let you know. (Hopefully, you will unblock me afterwards!)

 


@lacemaker3 

 

I've just added you to my BBL. Let me know here when you send a message so I can check and then unblock you.

 

Thanks for helping test this! That was one thing we were never able to prove is whether or not messages are blocked when a transaction has taken place. (It used to be if you messaged the blocked buyer or had a transaction messages were not blocked even when you blocked them and disallowed communication).

 

@wastingtime101  indicated in his post (which I marked as best answer) that BBL is immediate and blocks all communication immediately. I marked it as best answer since it explains the change in policy very well. I made this thread to illustrate another example of when you might want to block a buyer from buying, but still be willing to communicate with them.

 

C.

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@bengronek wrote:

Everyone should actually type out acronyms.
What is INR?

It’s most helpful and relevant to communicate clearly and honestly.


Item Not Received (also labelled a "Request" in my eBay)

 

I don't know what a lot of the acronyms are that people use because they're short for things we don't say in Canada. But the most commonly used ones in this forum is INR (Item not received) and SNAD/INAD (Item not as described).

 

C.

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@sin-n-dex,

 

I will try several ways, if the first attempt doesn't go through, to try to be thorough.

 

Trial 1: from the cancelled transaction in my purchase history  (sent at 8:40 am PST, 11:40 am EST)

 

Let me know if you get it, or if it doesn't arrive within maybe a half hour or so?

 

ETA: it looks like it went through the message center anyway. It is adding on to the messages I sent you back in October. FYI (for others) the earlier messages don't show the date except at the very top ... they were sent about 6 weeks ago.

 

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@lacemaker3 wrote:

@sin-n-dex,

 

I will try several ways, if the first attempt doesn't go through, to try to be thorough.

 

Trial 1: from the cancelled transaction in my purchase history  (sent at 8:40 am PST, 11:40 am EST)

 

Let me know if you get it, or if it doesn't arrive within maybe a half hour or so?

 


OK, will work on listings for about half an hour. Maybe let me know in the message what you did so I can identify if anything comes through (so far haven't received anything).

 

C.

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