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Why Does ebay Prohibit Auctions with Variations?

Why not allow sellers to list items with variations in an auction format?

 

If I am selling something that I have multiples of basically the same or similar items, why not permit such a listing that employs an auction format?

 

It makes sense to list something such as T-shirts, hats, socks Etc. with multiples of the same design in an auction format. A bidder may wear size XL T-shirts and want to restrict their bid to the size and price that suits them, but as it stands such offers may only be in a fixed price listing. 

 

If what I am selling are just variations of the same thing, what difference does it make (to ebay) what the size, color or other variation is? Why can I sell something with variations in a fixed price listing, but not one with an auction format?

 

Why not give buyers options, choices or other ways of exercising individual preferences in an auction format? If it works for fixed price listings, why not use it for auctions too?

 

In some cases, variations offered may have differences in value, e.g. an XS T-shirt uses less material than an XXL version, so it has less value than the XXL one; in such a case as with fixed price auctions, the opening bid (asking price) would need to reflect the base-line value of any given item. 

 

Why is ebay opposed to auctions with variations, if it can be done with fixed price listings, why not in an auction format too?

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Not so, because FP listings with variations make SENSE.

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@lookng2015 wrote:
Not so, because FP listings with variations make SENSE.

As stated on September 26, 2017, the concept is simple and would work (please review example). To some it may not make sense, but to those who understand that it is simply a variation of fixed price listings, it would be an effective way (for sellers) to maximize the value of each variation.

 

The concept is easy to comprehend and would benefit both sellers and buyers. Instead getting just one offer for an item, a bid would be recorded for each variation (size, color, style, sex) and an item's value would progress as bidders place incremental bids on them.

 

For these reasons, it makes sense, would work and would help to consolidate listings and maximize profits and exposure to a seller's items.

 

Those who say it  would not work or does not make sense, are unable or unwilling to process the concept and think out of the box. Some folks do not want progress, only stagnation.

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@coast-commerce wrote:
 ... Those who say it  would not work or does not make sense, are unable or unwilling to process the concept ....

I'm pretty sure that they all did that.

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What's the aim, Commerce?  you think people are going to bid higher than they would buy a f/p item for?  Problem to me with that is that there is ceiling on commodity things because of them also being offered as f/p.  Auctions are generally considered successful in getting numerous bids IF the item is scarce and desirable....you are defining scarce as low quantities offered in the auction, but don't you think that buyers are going to search outside the auction?  I can't really see an advantage in using the auction format????

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@dhbookds wrote:

What's the aim, Commerce?  you think people are going to bid higher than they would buy a f/p item for? 

 

 

If I have several/many similar items to sell, I should get the best price for each of them, but how is this accomplished? I could list the items in an auction format one after the other which may take forever an a day to accomplish (disadvantageous). I could sell my items in a fixed-price listing with variations in one listing (consolidating my items into one listing is advantageous, but not knowing what is the highest price buyers are willing to pay for each item; disadvantageous)?

 

By kicking-off an auction at $0.99 for each item (no matter what the variation), I have a better chance to sell my wares in an auction with variations because buyers benefit from being able to determine the value (that they are willing and able to pay for them) of each item and not have to settle for the seller's fixed price.

 

In summation, the benefits include:

 

  1.  Bidders who value variations differently can bid based on the value they place on a particular variation.
  2. Sellers are more likely to get top dollar for each variation because of the auction format.
  3. Sellers are more likely to sell more items in a consolidated listing because all items would be found easily within one auction, as opposed to searching for the variations elsewhere.
  4. Sellers could easily offer consolidated shipping (discounts) from one auction for multiple items purchased by one bidder. 

 

It is a zero sum gain.

 

 

Problem to me with that is that there is ceiling on commodity things because of them also being offered as f/p. 

 

Generally I only use auctions for highly desirable items because such items are much more likely to attract a frenzy of bidding then with something less desirable or common.

 

The only value ceiling on something is usually the price one could get that same article for elsewhere and may balk at paying more for it unnecessarily; for this reason it may be foolhardy to place ubiquitous items in an auction or fixed-price listing unless the seller is willing and able to greatly discount them.

 

 

Auctions are generally considered successful in getting numerous bids IF the item is scarce and desirable....you are defining scarce as low quantities offered in the auction, but don't you think that buyers are going to search outside the auction? 

 

This discussion is off-topic, but some items that are/were produced in large quantities such as Beanie Babies, Cabbage Patch dolls and Red Stripe Hot Wheels were so successful that the manufacturers could not keep up with demand...desirable, yes...scarce, no.

 

 

I can't really see an advantage in using the auction format????

 

 

The advantage is clear, if an item has variations that people value differently, they may be willing and able to bid for it, especially if it is scarce and/or desirable.

 

This is not an issue about commodities or uncommon items, it is simply an auction format where one person who values one aspect of an item such as size or color, more than another. If another person also places greater value on a particular variation, then they can bid up that variation until the end of the auction.

 

I think ebay does not support such listings because it may be  difficult to design a manageable auction format for such a complex means of selling; and such a (financial) risk may be too great for an uncertain outcome.

 

Remember, if it benefits sellers and/or buyers, but not "necessarily" ebay share-holders, is probably going to be passed-up by ebay management.

 

I have made my point and it is time to move on.

 


 

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Why Does ebay Prohibit Auctions with Variations?

I am thinking these questions are coming from an ebay seller who is trying to figure out how to use the free auction listings they are getting with a store subscription.

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@retrose1 wrote:

OP, have you ever actively participated in more than a few real actual auctions?  Because if you did, you would not be asking these questions, you would understand why variation auctions will not work, and be huge money losers for the sellers.

 

I am thinking these questions are coming from an ebay seller who is trying to figure out how to use the free auction listings they are getting with a store subscription.


Actually, there are live outcry auctions where the "Buyer's Choice" or "Times the money" is permitted.  In a "buyer's choice" there is a group of items, usually similar, and the bidders are bidding on their choice of one or more of the items.  The high bidder gets to choose which he wants.  He also has the option of buying other items in the group and paying the same price for each one purchased.

 

"Times the money" is similar and the winning bidder can buy any or all of the items for the amount of their winning bid times the number of items they want to buy.  In each of these types of auctions any of the items not purchased by the winning bidder are usually offered to the under bidders in descending order and they are permitted to buy at the same amount as the winning bid.  

 

Most people familiar with auctions will realize that these are forms of Dutch Auctions which eBay has discontinued on the site years ago.  They are not precisely what the OP has in mind, if I understand him correctly. 

 

One thing that makes these types of auctions unsuitable for eBay is that they require direct, almost real time, communications between the buyer, seller and under bidders.  We all know eBay's feelings regarding that type of communications.

 

Another problem that arises is that the buyer doesn't have physical access to the items for inspection.  The MBG would not work well since it would be extremely had to prove SNAD claims being that the items sold are different ones.  The policing of these types of auctions would be close to impossible on a platform such as eBay.  That may be one of the reasons eBay did away with Dutch Auctions so long ago.

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