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When to help ...

I come here for ideas, opinions, etc.

I suspect most of us do.

I usually give advice, good advice IF I give it at all.

Sometimes I don't tell.

 

The reason I hesitate is because ... 'why should I help my competition'?

 

I saw a response here, in another thread where the OP complained about poor sales.  

Many gave a lot of good advice.

One gave VERY good advice and I thought "why did he say that?   in a public posting?"   I might have answered in a PM ... but he broadcast a major tip over the unprotected air.   

When EVERYONE is doing the same thing, it has less affect?  Right?

If everybody did these magic tricks (that took my years to arrive at) because somebody spent two minutes explaining it ... just doesn't seem right to me.

Why would someone give away trade secrets?   TO THE PUBLIC. 

 

Remember when Promoted first came out?   And two thirds were saying "I'm not paying 2% just to ger a couple of sales."   And, those of us who DID pay 2% doubled sales?   Remember those days?   THEN a few of us just HAD to blab .... now, it doesn't work so good.  We gotta pay more for the same bang.     Know why?   Guess.

If you want to tell a friend or associate a hack ... do it.

But, please, PLEASE do not broadcast it over the airwaves.

 

"Three can keep a secret - if two of them are dead."   Ben Franklin

 

 

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@redlinear wrote:

@inhawaii wrote:

@adamcartwright wrote:

@redlinear 

Curmudgeonly advice, most likely.


I had to look that one up!    LOL


@adamcartwright  ME TOO!!  LOL  


I had to look it up to make sure, but my guess was correct.  So it is possibly a good example of a phonesthemic word!   😉

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@grand-and-glorious-purpose wrote:

@chariot_badges wrote:

 And, those of us who DID pay 2% doubled sales?   

 

 


We did?

 

When was that?


Like I said.   Back when it first started.

 

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@adamcartwright wrote:

@chariot_badges 

 

No, I don't keep a log. But there is a search function in this forum.

 

In the spirit of this thread, I'll now pass on some valuable advice of my own:   When you accuse someone of misquoting you, know that it can take literally seconds to pull up your original quote. 

 


Yes dear.

I'm sorry dear.

You're right dear.

 

 

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@adamcartwright wrote:

@chariot_badges 

 

No, I don't keep a log. But there is a search function in this forum.

 

In the spirit of this thread, I'll now pass on some valuable advice of my own:   When you accuse someone of misquoting you, know that it can take literally seconds to pull up your original quote. 

 


YES, lol.  Even as cruddy as the Community search function is (because of the insane glut of posts), I doubt you got many results to scroll through, if you used 'vasectomy' as a search term.  🤣

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@redlinear wrote:

I want everybody to know that @chariot_badges has a kind side AND has just given me some advice that I believe I will try. 
In return, I will not have any kids.
(I mean, a deal's a deal)  😂


Be careful spreading fake news about me.

Remember, there are still 50% Wokesters out there.   

Getting canceled is no joke.    You can still get hurt.

 

Kinder side .... ahhh hahahahaha *snort*

 

 

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General post

 

Woke is often used incorrectly.

 

Woke:  noun. informal, often derogatory. the behavior and attitudes of people who are sensitive to social and political injustice.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@chariot_badges wrote:

 

  The context of my 'advice' was because he was complaining about not being able to support a family on what eBay pays.   I don't believe that is his big problem.   The big problem is ... making more kids than you can support.  

 


The thing about kids is once they're made you can't exactly un-make them, whether or not you were able to support them at the time they were made or not (circumstances DO change you know, it's called reality).  But clearly your intent was not to give any actual helpful insights but purely to demean the father you were speaking to.  So ..... why stop at the 'vasectomy' level of grossly callous "advice"?  Why not go whole hog and make a suggestion like Jonathan Swift did in his 1729 'A Modest Proposal' about what to do with children living in poverty. 

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@gurlcat 

EXACTLY! The search took seconds.  🤣😂

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@chariot_badges wrote:

@grand-and-glorious-purpose wrote:

@chariot_badges wrote:

 And, those of us who DID pay 2% doubled sales?   

 

 


We did?

 

When was that?


Like I said.   Back when it first started.

 


I must have been out of the country. 

 

My sales didn't double or even tick up.

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@grand-and-glorious-purpose If I recall correctly, when PLS (now general Ads) began, you could advertise for 1 or 2% (calculated only on the item price) AND ebay provided  a $30/month fee credit. Adoption was SLOW, especially among long tail, single quantity sellers, most of whom dismissed the whole idea because they knew their relatively hard to find items would show up on the first page of search results regardless.

 

However, some long tail sellers realized the value proposition had nothing to do with the first page of search results....it was all in the fact that ebay was showing PLS items on other listings. (But, back then, not nearly so many as now).

 

The thing about long tail items is, they tend to sell in two situations: 1 Buyer is searching for that very specific item. But the very definition of long tail means an item that is not being searched for by many people. So it can be a long wait for that buyer to actually be searching. 2 Buyer is searching for something else, and stumbles across your item---which he might not even have known existed---and buys it because he is thrilled to have run across this. Basically, the difference between actual search and something closer to browsing.

 

PLS in the early days was valuable for long tail sellers because of #2. I sold quite a few items that had been sitting a long time: no one was actively searching for that item, but they bought when they stumbled across it on someone else's listing page. At one point, ebay acknowledged that the great majority of PLS items do NOT sell from the search results page, but from listing pages etc. (and this was before ebay had really gone crazy with such placements)

 

Of course, it was a foregone conclusion that the more sellers who began using PLS, the less valuable the program would be. It was a typical case of : early adopters made hay while the sun was shining, but the smart ones knew the sun would eventually set LOL

 

And it hasn't simply been that more sellers began using it. It has also been the changes ebay made: elimination of the fee credit, 2% minimum (and now 5% minimum with dynamic), fee calculated on total price rather than item price, stuffing the listing page beyond anything like a reasonable level, the Halo Rule, etc, etc. And along with this has come increasing mistrust. 

 

And here we are: the Value Proposition for PLS, which was actually once quite strong, is much weaker than it had been in the early days.

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Whoa I didn't even know about the fee credit!!   I started selling in 2018 or 2019 (can't remember for certain and anyway I was doing only sparse/occasional listings the first few months).  I remember PLS was just 'PL' because there weren't other versions yet, and if you used it you'd see your listing TWICE in search results (the organic one and the promoted one, which irritated buyers according to Youtube).  I remember feeling edgy and decadent for doing 1.1% or even as much as 1.5% promotion.  🤣

But the $30 fee credit must have been over before my time.  So how did it work?  Was it only if you did promotion, and if so did you get it even if you just promoted one listing at 1%?    Also did it apply only TO promotion fees, or could it also be applied toward FVF's? 

I just took a look at my last month's promotion fees -looks like I paid about $40.  If there was still a $30 credit I'd have gotten 75% of my promotion for free!  And I use 6.1% nowadays!  I can see why they did away with it, wow. 

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@gurlcat  The $30 came out of your PL fee. I think there might have been different amounts for different store levels...I was at the $30 level. So, if you tracked your sales and your PL fees, you could just stop promoting once you hit $30 for the month (or you could continue and pay the PL fee, but many just stopped when they hit $30). And remember, with 1 or 2%, and calculated only on item price, not total price, and no Halo, etc....$30 PL could represent some decent sales for a small seller.

 

It was an incentive to get people to try PL, and once ebay reached the number of sellers they wanted, they ended it of course. but it was nice while it lasted (and I doubt anyone thought it would go on forever)

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@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:

And along with this has come increasing mistrust. 

 

And here we are: the Value Proposition for PLS, which was actually once quite strong, is much weaker than it had been in the early days.


Well taking away the 20% discount on fees was enough to sour me (as well as telling sellers that we asked for our fee discount to be reduced)

 

I had over 10K listings in ages of 1 day to 5 years and I used the credit to promote at 3% or whatever you said 2% was the max but I don't remember the % but I do remember it never did a thing.

 

Nothing tangible that I could notice anyway.

 

Take away the discount, make us pay for what we were supposed to be getting in the first place and then tell us that we asked for it.

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They didn't take away the 20% FVF discount, they cut it in half.  It is now 10%.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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They didn't take away the 20% FVF discount, they cut it in half.  It is now 10%.


Yes they took away our 20% discount BY cutting it in half.

 

We no longer get 20%.

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