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What's the eBay response to 60 minutes segment on harassing journalists for trying to do their jobs?

This is SICK tactics by eBay to try and bring down a journalist who is trying to bring to light a crackdown on 2nd Amendment rights. And the CEO exits with a golden parachute. **bleep**!!!!!!

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@monroe67 

 

If this four year old story is going to cause some to close their accounts, then they were just looking for a reason to do it and it has nothing to do with this.  


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Jamie is a lot 'cleaner' CEO than Wenig, who always kind of gave me the creeps, and whether I agree with what he is doing or not, at least he's trying, and he was here before so he's not just a rental but has roots in the company. 


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I just accidentally found out about the 60 Minutes story because Youtube put it in my suggestions feed, and I haven't watched it yet (I guess I will, despite already knowing the gist), but the first thing I wanted to know was if it's actually a new broadcast or just an old episode 'newly-posted' on Youtube.  So I came here and typed '60 Minutes' in the search, to see if anyone was talking about it.  What I find very strange is how the vast majority of posts about it ARE in the 'Ask A Mentor' forum, and basically sound like they were all written by the same person or maybe a couple of people.  Despite participating in the Community for a few years now, I haven't gotten around to exploring the forums much besides Selling and Buying, in fact I coincidentally just learned of the Mentor one yesterday.  So what are the odds that several different Ebay members really decided to close their accounts because of this dumb harrassment case that doesn't affect them whatsoever (and was nothing compared to what tons of corporations do to people SYSTEMICALLY, AS PART OF THEIR BUSINESS STRATEGY, not just a few rogue employees acting like frat boys), and what are the odds that most of these people would choose the Mentor forum to voice their announcement?   Is that not weird?  

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It's "new" because the civil suit is starting to warm up.

 

I watched the eBay segment......

 

Steiner Whiners!

 

To be clear, I do not condone the actions of the eBay employees...they deserved to be fired and the legal smackdown as well.

 

BUT!

 

Ina has been taking digs at eBay for a decade plus, she has made a living being a "home" for eBay malcontents (failed ex-eBay sellers). In the modern age the more negative you are the more clicks you get, the more clicks you get the more money you make selling ads.

 

 

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
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Don't know why I'll play devil's advocate for the OP but if you carefully dissect their word salad, it appears they weren't talking about the attempted "take down" of eCommerce Bytes being the 2nd Ammendment issue, but rather, seems to be suggesting that eCommerce Bytes wrote about how ebay cracks down on 2nd Ammendment rights.  I don't know for sure that's what they meant as I have yet to hear what specific article(s) actually angered the ebay employees. 

-The 60 Minutes video only mentions one where the site published Wenig's salary, and then Wenig and the Chief Communications Officer started messaging each other about crushing "this lady" (Mrs. Steiner), then a team of security employees started conducting the behaviors we all know about, on the Steiners.  If that's really the cause-effect history (and the sole one), it's ironic because it showed a screenshot of the eCommerce Bytes article about Wenig's salary being 152 times that of the average ebay employee, a fairly typical journalistic expose being done nowadays, and I do like that very much.  But then look who actually did the crimes and are now doing the time; average employees.  Whether or not they were ORDERED to do the stuff, that is what I'd like to know. 

But as for what the OP is talking about, LOL, who knows.  Maybe eCommerce Bytes did an article about ebay's policies regarding selling/buying firearms, and he/she thinks that's what drew the ire.  Anyway of course no private company can "crack down" on a citizen's right to bear arms; that's not what sales policies are about.  So even if you guys misunderstood what he misconstrued, he still misconstrued.  

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@slippinjimmy wrote:

 

a "home" for eBay malcontents (failed ex-eBay sellers). 

 


But why would they need a home?  Don't they have that right here in the Community forums?  😆

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Only amateur malcontents here on this board, the hardcore haters have been posting on ecommercebytes since the days of the Accepted Payments Policy back in 2006(?) and no negs for buyers in 2008.

 

There are some good posters there and ecommercebytes can be a good source of marketplace news.

 

 

 

 

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I got the video in my feed too. It was only a few hours ago but I'll bet by tomorrow there will be tons of talk about the "new" scandal.

 

It's been a wile, I had forgotten about it!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUf9ID2Gnfw

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@annadryl wrote:

I got the video in my feed too. It was only a few hours ago but I'll bet by tomorrow there will be tons of talk about the "new" scandal.

 


I would say "get that popcorn ready" but predictable movies are so boring.  As I said the posts already made sound nearly identical.  What I'd REALLY like to see is one of these "outraged" people try to explain why this story is THE thing prompting them to sever ties with the whole company.  Like, I don't buy on Amazon, and it's PARTLY because of their treatment of employees, but I have several other reasons, plus the fact that anything on Amazon can be bought somewhere else, whereas Ebay may literally be the only place on Earth you could buy ....whatever weird thing you're interested in buying, especially old things. And same goes for SELLING certain things. 

 As far as I'm concerned there's something really fishy about these people's one-sentence-with-exclamation-marks comment threads about quitting ebay because of the scandal ...but then NOT replying afterward ....I don't even believe they're sincere.  You know what they actually remind me of?  Paid trolls in Youtube comments.  They only get paid for the original comment, not replies, so they don't waste time defending their "positions", which they don't even really have.   

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@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:

@peszar-0  I didn't see the 60 Minutes episode about it, although I'm quite familiar with the basic story.

 

However, it is news to me that this had anything to do with the Second Amendment (right to bear arms)...could you be confusing the Second Amendment with the First Amendment? (Free Speech)

 


It wasn’t a bear arm - but a pig head, right?

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@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:

@pburn  It's the closest I could come to what the OP might be referring to. But, of course, a private enterprise trying to shut down the press is not the same thing as the government doing it. But it would be fair to say this was an attempt to silence the press. But you are right...if the report actually discussed this as a First (or Second) Amendment issue, I'd say the report got it wrong. 


General reply - for what it's worth, even the deputy US Attorney, Seth Kosto, who prosecuted some of the criminal cases said what happened was "abhorrent to First Amendment values." Several judges also made mention of the first amendment in their sentencing hearings in these cases.

 

The Steiners weren't just targeted for things they wrote, they were targeted because eBay wanted to try to get them to out an anonymous source & commenter who used the name Fidomaster (later changed to unsuckEBAY).

 

While the first amendment may not strictly apply, the values it represents are clearly on the minds of the lawyers and judges involved in these cases.

 

From the court documents:

 

In the first of these meetings, BAUGH directed Popp, Stockwell, Zea, and Analysts 1, 2, and 3 to anonymously harass Victims 1 and 2...


...BAUGH called the harassment a "distraction campaign" and suggested that scary masks, live insects, or embarrassing items be sent to the Victims (and in some cases to their neighbors in the Victims' names)...


...in a separate meeting during the week of August 5th Baugh gathered Popp, Gilbert, and Supervisor 1 to plan another way to harass the Victims.


Specifically, Baugh, Popp, Gilbert, and Supervisor 1 planned to send a series of anonymous tweets and Twitter direct messages...the messages would gradually get more aggressive, culminating in the publication of the Victims’ home address...


...by design, these threatening messages would allow eBay—through Gilbert and another GSR employee—to approach the Victims with an offer of assistance to investigate and stop the threatening messages, thereby earning the Victims' trust, creating good will toward eBay, and getting the Victims' cooperation in identifying the author of the [unsuckeBay] Account. (This will be referred to in this affidavit as "the White Knight Strategy").

 

First, Cooke and his coconspirators targeted the Victims based on what they had written and published, and because they had made space for others to publish in comments beneath the Newsletter’s articles. Journalism about public companies, especially the world’s largest ecommerce brands, is important to investors, merchants, and customers alike.

That some at eBay disagreed with the Newsletter’s coverage, and that Baugh shared that sentiment as justification to target the Victims, is abhorrent to First Amendment values.

While there is no good reason to harass and intimidate anyone, the logic that led to the Victims’ suffering is absurd. Accepting for purposes of argument that Cooke and others were focused on Fidomaster and his online critiques, they harassed the Victims as a means of identifying and discrediting Fidomaster. That Cooke and others targeted innocent third parties is worthy of significant sanction...

...Cooke asserts that, in the August 6 meeting, he tried to talk his colleagues out of at least some parts of the harassment campaign. But what remained, even in his telling, was a series of increasingly harassing messages directed to a journalist, to set up a sting, to enable Gilbert to make a false offer of assistance, to predispose Victim 1 to help eBay with its Fidomaster problem.

 

In a third set of planning meetings in early August 2019, Baugh recruited Harville and Zea to travel to Boston to physically surveil Victims 1 and 2 at their home and in their community. The purported purpose of the trip was to find evidence that the Victims and the author of [unsuckEBAY] were collaborating to publish negative content about eBay...

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The leader of the gang that did this was a bad alcoholic I believe and had employees under him that he was directing. These others were highly influenced by this guys power and position in the company. Many of the others were lower level employees and very young and impressionable. This one guy that got five years in prison was the ultimate culprit.

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I just don't understand why Weinig and Baugh wasn't charge with this.

What I can remember reading all those court papers were the text messages that included those two. I think even Mrs Weinig complained about what eCommerceByte said about her husband.

 

I don't think Weinig like that it was discussed the large amount of money that was spent on Walker's Point bar on eBay premises.

 

Steiner's should be getting money from these two in the civil.

 

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Just as a side note about what big corps do to each other. The people who tried to take control of ebay during Wenigs tenure have a host of death threat tactic and other really wild ways they try to take down other companies especially terrorizing CEO’s to make them quit. Elliot Management was after ebay at the time.  I believe they have done quite ridiculous things as well with their money and power.

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Here's a fun throwback for the first amendment argument in this case too - Wenig appeared at Code Conference in 2016 and was asked for his thoughts on the controversy then brewing between Gawker Media and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSN8W2Mk7_Y

 

Is it right for a billionaire to put large amounts of money secretly behind lawsuits seemingly to settle a political a personal score and to try to put a publication out of business?

 

I think we've got to be very careful. It is a nuanced argument there's always a pull and tug but something feels like it's different. All First Amendment rights aren't created equal there's a strong public interest in a free press and rich and powerful people have First Amendment rights too but if you allow that to be unfettered and what that causes is a real stifling of voices and a real concentration of media.

...We're not going to like the result of that and that really goes back all the way to the Constitution. So I don't want to get into all of that but we've got to be really careful that powerful voices don't knock down what I call divergent points of view.

You know this immediate kerfuffle, I don't like the media actor [Gawker]. I don't read what they do. I don't find it particularly valuable but that's irrelevant.

What's more relevant is that you shouldn't be allowed to drive media companies from expressing divergent points of view and I think we've got to be really careful about that.

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